Termyn8or
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HFC, I jumped in here at post 198 because this is getting out of hand. My eyes are watering from looking at the screen so much !
Each Man sees the world and events through his own perspective. I am not accusing you of slanting anything, but anyone sane knows that none of us are omnipotent. Much as some try, none can see from all perspectives. The points on which we disagree are most likely due to that, not some prevarication or hidden agenda at all.
Real and Hunky and I do agree on some things, but I think they lack the ability to express it properly. Those of us who are willing to fight against the erosion of our rights by the government are not all crazoids. I've seen it go both ways here.
Now we have a long history of discussion about Kerry, and I don't recall hearing about him being in Iraq. If he was he was certainly not in the warfare. I think it pointless to discuss his record or anything else in this venue. He did what he did, and you did what you did.
You came willing to offer some firsthand observations about this particular issue and look what happened. All this digression makes people lose focus. And to make the world better, that is a bad thing.
But though I am not against you in any way I am still firmly against the war. We do not belong there and never did. All this terrorist shit started in 1948. We would never back down. What we have in the middle east now since the creation of Israel is Palestinians are like the Native People here. Got put off and subjected. Nobody likes that. What happened here in the 1700s is no better or worse. The difference is that we live in the communication age. In the 1700s when this country was founded nobody gave a shit what was happening in Iraq, which I think did not even exist yet, but I'm not sure on that.
Think of a similar hypothetical situation. The Natives here in the 1700s were slaughtered, It was war, and once we taught them how to scalp people they took to it. War cannot be changed in nature, though they try to change it in severity. One of my points is that I think this is wrong because it ultimately winds up causing more human suffering. One irrefutable fact is that the dead are not bleeding, starving, freezing or burning. Sure their body might, but they are no longer in it.
I percieve you by your posts to have a very focused mind. But on what ? They have convinced you that serving is duty, that going ½ way around the planet and killing people is helping your country, your kinsmen, your neighbors. I won't even argue that point because at this point in history it is probably true. But why ?
Well it is that way because we have been meddling in their affairs for about sixty years or so, and counting. They don't like it. If, in the beginning we had taken a different approach they would be our allies, in heart, not by the sword. You see, when you got to Iraq you didn't necessarily see who was right, you saw who was left.
But my opposition to the war is that for whatever reason, we don't belong there. I don't care if they are burning homosexuals, Jews, even Polaks like me. We should have the common sense not to go there then. But the US Constitution is the law of THIS land not THEIR'S. That is my basis for objection.
If you want to go farther back, well past the Balour Declaration, we didn't belong in WW1 or WW2. Even WW1 nobody attacked us. Before WW2 we had no business blockading and whatever else we did to Japan before Pearl Harbor got erased. It is NOT persuant to the law of this land.
Our actions are those of empire builders, conquerers, exploiters. Now don't take me as a pacifist. No way. If you come to my house and threaten, or whatever, you will eat lead and I won't lose a minute's sleep over it. But I will not come there and threaten you, nor will I exploit or whatever. Thus we would have no problems with one another and could simply coexist as neighbors correct ?
Such as that is, so should it be with nations. Just mutual respect however basic and trade. If the Constitution had been adhered to, we would probably agree on gold as a medium of exchange, there would be no IMF and a whole lot of other things. There is no way in hell the UN building belongs on US soil while the whitehouse is not. This is a ridiculous situation. And the US is the biggest busybody in the world.
Hey, there might be someone 20 miles away who is beating their Wife. I have to go make sure if that's true and of course intervene. How should I start ? Which road do I go down, where is the house ?
So given that, the way I see it we should not be there. Those enemies were not born, they were made.
This is plenty long enough now, I have to work tomorrow. Mail me if you would like. When are you going back ? (remember I jumped in at 197) You should be able to get to CM from Iraq if you can get the internet, or can't you ?
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