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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:18:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Thompsonx might have had a beer that day.


If that's the case, he must be blitzed every time he posts here. But I don't see beer drinking on his part. His filters are such that he easily misses the point that I'm getting across; instead, he addresses a point he thought I made. Since he can't address what I actually talk about, it's easier on the ego for him to make strawman arguments... or he honest to God has piss poor reading comprehension.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:19:51 PM   
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You aren't changing that region, if you are it isn't going to last long. The natives know which side their bread is buttered on. Their choices are the corrupt administration that can't protect them or the Taliban, big choice that one.

It's hard to admit you've been fighting a pointless war, I understand that. One day you'll look back on this and wonder how different your attempts were than the Soviet occupation.


Time for a reality check:

Me: Recent combat deployment to Iraq, have seen it first hand over a period of months.

You: Obviously haven't been to Iraq, but yapping your jaws based on what your filters have allowed you to get from your biased news sources.

Given our vantage points, it's arrogant on your part to assume that I "agree" with your misguided accounts of the Middle East, and that I "see" things your way but "don't" want to "admit" it. The reality is that you, as well as those arguing on your side of the argument, are having a hard time coming to terms with reality... that you are on the wrong side of the argument, and that what you're arguing isn't what's going on.

We ARE changing that region, starting with Iraq and Afghanistan. The quality of life of the Iraqis have shot up since we invaded. If you've walked their streets, or traveled their country side, you'll see evidence of a country rapidly westernizing. They want to join the rest of the world economically... they're westernizing, they want to be like us.

This isn't about siding with the side that "their bread is buttered on." The Arabs aren't stupid, they know who's helping them, and who isn't helping them. That's a major factor behind why the Iraqi people turned in droves against the Anti-Iraqi Forces.

These changes are long term, and here to stay. In fact, what you expressed in that quoted post? It was also expressed about Europe.

I've read an article, written in 1946, that talks about how the United States, was "losing the victory in Europe." People didn't have high hopes about our efforts in Europe. Couldn't blame them, until World War II, the European nations had been at each other's throats for centuries. People here didn't think that we'd be able to turn the Europeans around after centuries of doing things a certain way. Heck, the allies dealt with an insurgency in Germany after World War II. This insurgency applied many of the same tactics the Anti-Iraqi Force applied during this war.

It doesn't look like you lived through that part of history. Thanks to the passage of time, all you see is the clean result of what we did in World War II a stable Western Europe.

I've predicted what the Middle East would be like, I guarantee you that my predictions are what's going to happen. I'm going to look back at this, and my projections, just as I did when my other projections turned out true. Back in 2004, I made a projection, consisting of a few parts, of what will happen in Iraq. Every part of that projection proved accurate.

No, this isn't a pointless war. This war has a purpose, and we're accomplishing that purpose beyond our wildest imaginations. What we're doing in Iraq and Afghanistan is different from what the Soviets did in Afghanistan. We're developing those nations to be economic partners in the future, to be stable democracies, etc. We've developed nations with an army... the goal is to get those governments and armies to pick up security and national direction. The Iraqi people are behind their army, and they're developing internal checks and balances to fight corruption. The Soviets had different plans.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:19:53 PM   
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Soldiers returning from Iraq, were you aware that KBR charges taxpayers $100 per single soldier's load of laundry?

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:22:41 PM   
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No he stated any amount multiplied by zero results in zero, so multiply infinity by 0 and tell me what you get.


Amount, as in number value dumbass. Infinity isn't a number value, but a series of numbers, each of these numbers representing an amount. The fact that math was never one of your strong points painfully shows.


Strawman argument

Arguing numbers with someone that has no idea how many Taliban there are, fun but also fruitless ya Tosspot.

Strawman argument


First, the exact number of enemy personnel out there isn't having a real effect on the progress we're making against them. Heck, even today, we have people claiming to be "NAZI," decades after we defeated Hitler. The fact that we have "NAZI" today doesn't change the fact that we defeated the NAZI during World War II.

Second, that statement is applicable to you. I'm using my first hand experiences to argue with someone that obviously had never stepped foot in Iraq, or hasn't been there in a long time if they'd gone there. Winning an argument against you is like stealing candy from a baby.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:24:24 PM   
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But but but life in the west would disintegrate overnight unless we fight this war bla bla bla.

Why don't the op let us see what happens when they stop fighting this war, we'll see how drastically different our lives are.

Stop fighting this war I dare you.


The enemy won't stop waging their war against us if we "stop" fighting our war against them. The War on Terrorism should actually be called, The terrorist war to exterminate western civilization and to establish global Islamic Law. If you listen to our enemies, you'll know that these guys are fully intent on displacing non Muslim systems with their brand of Islamic Law.

Don't believe me? Here's an example of the war being waged against us. Those Islamic groups living in Europe demanding to be subject to Islamic Law rather than the laws of the European country they're living in? That's no accident, and that's not a one-time event. Their numbers are growing in Europe while the white European populations in many countries are going through declining birth rates.

At some point in time, if this trend continues, we're going to be in a situation where the traditional European will be in the minority. What happens then when these Muslims are the majority? They'll use the democratic system to get laws passed that'd subject the rest of the European population to Islamic Law.

Something like this was done in the past... where the Visigoths made the Roman Iberians live under Visigoth laws once the Visigoth population outnumbered the Roman population.

Used in conjunction with terror attacks around the world, this becomes an asymmetrical warfare tactic.

If you had any understanding of world history, especially with the case of the Muslims, you'd notice that their radical elements had been at war with the west since the time of Muhammad. We've (western civilization) fought with their radical elements' ideology for over a millennia. As long as their radical elements believe what they believe now, this war will continue on until one of two thins happen... we change enough of the mindset in the Middle East to destroy that drive, or they end up turning the west into a series of Islamic Caliphates.

Don't believe me?

The countries of Northern Africa and the Middle East, bordering the Mediterranean Sea, used to be predominantly Christian, with some of those countries having a heavier Christian population than what many European Kingdoms contained. By the time the Europeans launched the Crusades, 2/3's of the Christian World was converted to Islam.

This radical ideology that we're fighting now, using a combination of tactics, is the same one that we dealt with as a civilization over the centuries. It's the same one that swept across Northern Africa and into Portugal and Spain, it's the same one that swept into South East Europe, it's the same one we dealt with when the European powers used to pay tribute to the Barbary States/Kingdoms.

The Barbary Wars that we engaged with at the turn of the 19th Century? THAT was our first War on Terrorism as a nation. It's the same ideology that keeps rearing its head over and over again. We have to deal with it, before it deals with us. In order to do that, we have to do what we're doing now... to include fighting in their backyards (Iraq, Afghanistan).

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:26:40 PM   
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I don't have time to peruse all 53 pages of this thread. Do we have body pics or not?

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:26:44 PM   
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Iraq wasn't about oil it was about western self-righteousness (look at our democracy it's great you too can have it, here let me impose it).

"What you want us to leave now?? But you need us we make you safer, it's a known fact that terrorists picking a fight with the coalition in Iraq is good for the average Iraqi."

If the op took his head out of his arse for five minutes he might realise what a robot like numpty he has become or probably always was. Born to be used by the government, nooo self determination or critical thought. Just does what he is told even sees what he is told to see. A waste of humanity.


This coming from the bonehead with its head shoved so far up its ass it needs a glass belly button to see. This is applicable whether you're talking about asymmetrical warfare, or trying to talk about math as if you know something about it. Perhaps if you realized your actual lack of knowledge on what you're arguing, you wouldn't come across as if you post while being possessed by a retarded ghost.

First things first, the arguments I make here, I came up with those on my own. Nobody told me what to think, or how to think it. I came to those conclusions based on my extensive research on the topic, and on my first-hand account of what we're debating about. Your post reflects arrogance in that it assumes, with out a logical basis, that your position is a universal, "common sense" truth. It isn't.

Second, Iraq wasn't about oil, and it wasn't about western "self righteousness," it was about eliminating an asymmetrical threat against the United States, and the rest of Western Civilization. The solution doesn't just entail the immediate solution... military invasion, counter insurgency, but a long term solution. That's through our providing an environment that facilitates reconstruction and building a government that would work on democratic principles.

The countries, on this planet, with the greatest economies, tend to be the ones with democratic governments. Democracies facilitate economic progress and stability. That's a major factor to why the Industrial Revolutions started in the UK and the US. Countries with healthy economies give their citizens another option, something to aspire for. Developing Iraq and Afghanistan so that they could economically prosper, and be politically stable, is a major tool we're using to improve regional and global security.

In every country that I've been to, and I've been to 5 continents on this planet, everywhere I went... people wanted to westernize if their country wasn't already westernized. They do it willingly, not forcefully. They WANT to westernize.

If anything, your opinions aren't the first time I've encountered them... I've encountered your opinions, as well as those of the opposition, over the years that I've been debating with your side of the argument. What I've observed is that you guys tend to run off with what liberal talking heads spew out, without questioning their claims. You run off and spew what they say, like mindless drones, simply because you emotionally agree with what they're saying. Anybody with critical thinking abilities, having access to the facts that I've came across, would come to the same, or similar, conclusions that I've came to.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:28:44 PM   
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REPEAT POINT.

No, you have not put one fact in evidence, you have not told the truth, absolutely inaccurate, and unreliable. Your inaccuracies, outright lies, and convoluted backpeddling and buncombe have been repeatedly been pointed out here, however. And you obviously havent served in a combat capacity in Iraq, it is clear from your writing and ignorance of how some basic things work in the military.
REPEAT POINT.


Since you have problems recognizing what constitutes "fact," you've got no legs to stand on telling other people that they haven't put facts into evidence. I've given your side of the argument facts based on extensive research and first-hand experience. I've told the truth in my posts based on my first hand experiences and what I've found in my research. My points have been accurate, reliable, and consistent. Nowhere in my arguments have I back peddled from a point that I've made. Saying that I did, or that others "caught" me "at" it reeks of intellectual dishonesty at best, lying at worse.

Again, you don't have any military experience, as I've pointed out to you numerous times throughout this thread. Your posts give you away as being another poser on this thread. For instance, your insinuation that someone could just walk away from the aircraft, to go wherever they wanted to until it was time to go back, re, R & R, gives you away as not having served... as nowhere in your drivel that day did you recognize the military's going anal on accountability on personnel.

The fact that you never served in the military painfully shows. Based on that fact, you don't have a leg to stand on when talking about whether someone has military experience or not, or whether they've combat deployed or not. You're just a typical poser giving a typical poser response to someone that had just exposed the poser. Insinuate the one that unmasks you as a "poser."

I noticed that you continue to fail to address my challenge. Are you willing to put money where your mouth is at and accept my challenge? I'm going to be meeting with a collarchat member, and I'm going to show this poster evidence that not only am I on active duty, but that I've served in Iraq. Are you confident enough in your assumptions that you're willing to place a bet on it?

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:30:34 PM   
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About the only thing you said, that I agree with, is what you said, which I bolded in red above:

"cause on the political threads, I normally show my ignorance. WTF, one more time of showin it won't matter." -- JstAnotherSub

Actually it does matter, you should've followed your initial intention instead of going against your better judgment.

You are adorable. Full of shit to the eyeballs, but adorable nonetheless.


Someone call an exsorcist, someone needs to expel the retarded ghost that's causing JstAnotherSub to post her drivel. I proved to you how you didn't know what you were talking about, I even used, your own words, to prove my point. For instance, what you previously said:

"I was only in the Army for 3 years, and it has been fuck, has been 26 years since I got out. Hold on while I let that register. 26 years?!?!?!? But, I am only 30!" -- JstAnotherSub

"JstAnotherSub Female Submissive, 48, Metro Atlanta, Georgia" -- JstAnotherSub's collarme profile.

Again, what you said:

"cause on the political threads, I normally show my ignorance." --JstAnotherSub.

Tell me about it, you can't even get your age and timelines straight, but hey, this IS the political threads.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:32:12 PM   
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Seriously, Manhappenin.... abs or gtfo

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:32:19 PM   
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May I continue to giggle at least?



You should worry more about putting your adult britches on and understanding what you read in an adult forum; rather than giggling like a kid at something that you don't understand.
:::::giggle:::::

I giggle at you because I understand far more than you will ever know.

Bless your heart.


Tell that to the post you made insinuating that that the psychiatrist doctor was in command of us infantry types. Yup, your 3 years in a peace time army as a pogue "gave" you "lots" of understanding of how infantrymen in a wartime army think... yeah go figure. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:34:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Repeat Point

The OP is a liar and a douche.

He is an embarrassment to anyone who has actually served.

Repeat Point

It seems he expected us all to cave and thank him for his sacrifice. What about MY sacrifice. I have read this entire thread.


You need to start paying your brain bill so that you could say something useful for a change.

Neither you, nor your side of the argument, have advanced anything that proves what I say, "wrong," or as a lie. Let's take my statement about being in the military for instance. Your side of the argument accuses me not having served... your post here suggest the same misconception. Perhaps you could respond to my challenge. Are you willing put your money where your mouth is and accept my challenge? Or do you lack confidence in your opinion that I'm a "liar" and a "douche"? Your failure to accept that challenge will just indicate who the real liar and douche is.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:35:19 PM   
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Time for a reality check:

me....tarzan


you...jane





Hey facechair,I keep hear`n bout all this good news from Iraq the MSM isn`t letting us know about.

Could you give us the 'good news" from Iraq?

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:35:57 PM   
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I feel sorry for him. He was sort of slammed here. Then the manner everyone feels compelled to defend themself.

I am glad we have the warrior type who will serve.

I still say these wars are about the banks/big corporations.

The name calling in this thread really is uncalled for. People should be more of an example. Think about it.


The "everybody feels compelled to defend themselves" ultimately started with the "he was sort of slammed here." You see, they slam me with their playground antiques, I pulverize them in return. Then some of them come out complaining about how I treat people that come here to post. I'm more than happy to treat people the way they treat me.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:37:23 PM   
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Oh Ward, you smooth talker you!!

June


Don't mistake someone's talent for shitting smoothly out of their mouths as being a "smooth" talker.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:38:37 PM   
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Seriously, Manhappenin.... abs or gtfo






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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:39:07 PM   
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PA,
Hypothetically, what if Ron and the others are right and his stuff is made up?



There's no "hypothetically" about this, they're not right about me. I've even challenged them to put their money where their mouth is, to accept my challenge to their claims that I'm "not" in the military. So far, no takers, as they don't have any confidence in their "doubts" of my military service.

"Minnesota Ottertail" et al claim military service, but their stories don't pass muster. I've called them out for what they are, posers claiming to have served.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:41:06 PM   
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You really are this dense aren't you.

Shout it from the mountain top, no one here believes your bullshit.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:41:52 PM   
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For instance, 6a = 12. What number would go into "a"?


|-2|



The absolute value of "2" or "-2" is the same, "2." One simple way to put that is that both are "equal" in distance from zero if you were to look at it on a physical measuring scale. "2" is |-2| simplified.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/14/2010 4:43:10 PM   
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I know I don`t.

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