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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/21/2010 6:14:55 PM   
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WRONG. My dad did six combat tours in Iraq. I've seen some of the paperwork my dad saved from his Navy days. Included in that paperwork were award orders for one of the tours he did in Vietnam. He was based out of Coronado and Subic.

Again, unlike you, my dad's service was real. You never served in Vietnam.


You said your dad was dead if so how did he do six tours in Iraq?
I did not say your squid daddy did not serve I said he did not do six years in viet nam.


For someone that goes out of his way to act like my post says something other than what I actually meant; you do a piss poor job deviating from what I wrote to interpret it consistent with what I've argued. This is where reading comprehension comes in. Throughout this thread, I've repeatedly said that my dad did six combat tours in Vietnam. That one brain cell of yours should've seen what I actually meant. The fact that you could see things in the rest of my posts that I didn't communicate should translate into your being able to see in my post what I actually meant.

Dude you seem to be the only mind reader here. You post that your dead squid daddy did six tours in iraq. I asked how that was possible.

Not only does this indicate that you have piss poor reading comprehension abilities, you have zero common sense. This goes in the same category as your needing to read what I write with the intentions of understanding what I'm saying.

So now it is our job to read your mind when you can't even post your own thoughts clearly.

I countered your unqualified claims about my dad's combat tours to Vietnam. My dad did do six combat tours in Vietnam. Notice that I didn't say that he did 6 years, I said he did six tours.

So this is your admission that your squid daddy did not do six years in viet nam as you implied. Perhaps you might be so kind as to tell us how many years your squid daddy did in viet nam?

My mentioning the fact that my dad served is just me comparing him to you. Unlike my dad, you didn't serve in Vietnam,

Now you are a mind reader and an all knowing savant of what is and is not.

and you more than likely didn't serve in the military. If you "did" in fact, "serve," your posts are doing you a terrible injustice.

Actually my post are causing your knickers to be in such a bunch you can't even sit down.




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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/21/2010 6:23:34 PM   
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What? Are you that arrogant that you're telling me that everybody on the opposition has somebody that they've designated to meet other people for themselves? And how the fuck can you peg these people from a website?


When people have no argument they jump on spelling errors...I like to leave bait out for people like that...it's nice to know that you did not disapoint me.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/21/2010 6:31:16 PM   
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Everybody used to believe that the sun orbited the Earth. Since everybody believed this, did it automatically follow that the Sun actually orbited the Earth, simply because everybody believed it did? YES [ ] NO [ ].


So your point is that the majority is never right and the minority is always right?

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/21/2010 6:36:01 PM   
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Also, "since you got out"? Are you fucking kidding me? The best case scenario for you is that you did "serve," but never combat deployed. The worst case scenario is that you never served. Based on your hatred for the troops, I'd say that you never served.


Now that is a interesting jump in your logic process....where do you get that I hate the troops.
I may feel that many are ignorant and ill informed some may be as dumb as a stone but nowhere have I mentioned any hatred for them...are you projecting?


That's not a jump, but consistent with what I get from reading your posts. This isn't the first thread where you and I have clashed. Your demeanor, as demonstrated in your posts, show that you hate the troops. You could say that you "don't" hate the troops all you want, I look at your conduct on these boards. You're not the only one that hates the troops here. What I've bolded in red in your quote? That gives your true position away, you hate the military.

The reality is that the troops have a first-hand account of what's going on in the military. When it comes to Iraq and Afghanistan? Those troops that deployed to those countries have a first hand account of what takes place in those countries. Military service gives them a vantage point that someone that isn't in the military doesn't have. What I've bolded in red above shows your reactions to the facts that they express based on their first hand experiences.

You, having only received filtered information from the frontlines, have no legs to stand on when accusing many service members being "dumb" or "ill informed." Based on what you've said here, I know for a fact that you're seriously ill informed. If I were to come up with one word describing your knowledge on the topic we're debating, I'd say, "clueless."




So your position is that there are no ignorant,ill informed or stupid people in the military...well except for the officer you say got beat up.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/21/2010 6:48:42 PM   
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This is where you drop the ball.

The OP has a groovier appendage. One can only dream of life on a face chair.


That would be another mega difference of opinion.


Stated based on your bias and disagreement with my position. The reality?

Every woman that has sat on my face had a great time. Women who have sat on my face outside of BDSM, aka vanilla, got possessive of me and reacted like they've never gotten their snatch eaten out before. Every woman that has sat on my face had no regrets. It didn't matter if these women were straight, bi, American, etc.


It is so cute when little boys brag about their talents.


Do you see how ridiculous you sound when I add the conversation back in? Look at the highlighted conversation. A poster jumped in and talked about the advantages of a face chair. Lady Boom Boom jumped in and tried to talk that down, based on her extreme bias against my argument. I jump in and edged toward specifics on how a face chair gives a better advantage to a woman, than, say, your limp friend.

Your response is just another example of you with your head shoved up your ass. What's really funny is watching you struggle to shove your head further up your ass, rather than the other direction. Trying to keep the strawman company?




Rediculous???you brag about your talent and now you seek to validate that petulance by challanging something I have not posted. My aren't we just filled with insecurities.
Lets see you are the son of a war hero.
You know all there is to know about the sand box even though you are just another infantry man.
Iraq is a pretty big country but you are allowed to roam it in its entirety as a sgt.
You are a mba.
You are an expert in the meaning of the u.n. charter.
You are an engineer because you can tell the difference between battle damage and neglect of infrastructure.
You are a mind reader.
Oh yes lets not forget you can read because you claim to have read the britanica when you were only in the third grade.
My my you really have a desire to prop up your image...of course we believe all you post why would we disagree with all of your alleged knowledge it is soooo believable...or not

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/21/2010 6:51:02 PM   
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I knew 3 guys in Iraq.   They sure are nothing like the OP.  They are not as detailed.

All 3 could sum up Iraq in less then a paragraph.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/21/2010 7:05:08 PM   
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I knew 3 guys in Iraq.   They sure are nothing like the OP.  They are not as detailed.

All 3 could sum up Iraq in less then a paragraph.




Hunkie...that is because they are "poseurs". That is if they disagree with the o.p. I am sure you have gleaned that from the past 60 + pages of rant by the "soldier" who knows all there is to know about the sand box. He is an enlisted man who has traveled the length and breadth of the country noting all and bringing all of it's detail back to share with us ignorati.
The next time you have one of those soldier boys with his feet up in the air, ask him how much of the country they were able to see. Of course they would all speak arabic so they would be able to communicate with all of the locals that they visited. I wonder how fluent our "soldier" is in arabic...I am sure that would have made his gulivarian escapades in iraq much easier thus allowing him to bring us spoon fed fools the "twue scoop" on what is going on over there because all of the news people are "liberals" who hate amerika but the officers who control them are helpless because the government hates amerika also.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/21/2010 7:40:34 PM   
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Thomson,   he perplexes me.


When he has no interest in learning about the enemy- the federal reserve.  He is 1000% certain- that he has identified the complete, total enemy.   He is 1000% sure that he does not need to follow up on the doings of a central bank.  Nor- check into perkins, an economic hitman.

A true warrior- it seems to be- would always be alert as to who/ways/modes of any enemy.

So- he has concluded that the federal reserve is of no threat.

Lets say - that the monetary road- is a road you drive supplies on.  This road- he is no assessing any further.   So if this were a physical road- there would be an elevated threat of a road side bomb.

In the time since this war- add up all the missing money, and all the bail out money.  In the trillions.

So- being that ongoing bail outs- and in light of huge bonuses- for Goldman sachs-   in light of his countryman loosing their jobs, loosing their houses- and loosing their retirements-

-- he sees no reason to check out the central bank- federal reserve.

He is fixated on if we dont take Iraq- someone else will.

He is fixated on that he was THERE.     Not understanding the hedge funds throw all wars, and fund both sides.

Hedge funds are sovereign.   Not a people of any country.

Try this:

get a lunch date with your congress, your president.         Get face time with the movers and shakers.  

Let me know about the letters you send and if congress has listened to you.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/22/2010 12:01:08 AM   
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Every woman that has sat on my face had a great time.



Any of them ever take the opportunity to take a huge dump?

They must have been tempted.


It's amusing how liberals react to someone exercising their freedom of speech. For instance, Al Pieda throwing custard cream pies at An Coulter. What's this clown's contribution? He reacts to the facts by symbolically throwing feces at me. Liberals are all about "the free exchange of ideas," as long as it's their ideas that get shared, and nothing dares challenge it. Dare challenge a liberal, and they'll try to find ways to "shut you up."

This clown isn't the only one though. I recently received a PM from a frustrated liberal attempting to shut me down; his message had a veiled threat.


Care to explain where you get from my post that I'm
 
a) a liberal
 
b) threatening you?
 
I asked a question related to a kink. This is a kink/alternative lifestyle site. My comment has more relevance than any discussion about external issues indicated by the thread title. 
 
Quite a leap to think that my question is an attempt to subvert your rights to free speech. Has to be the most tenuous connection I've seen on these boards in some time.
 
"Reacts to the facts?" What facts? I haven't read any of this thread except the post about women on your face.
 
As for "shutting you up", I actually asked you for a response. The total opposite. Seems a basic comprehension skill to get that right, or did you just have an agenda to say whatever you were going to irrespective of the question?
 
The irony is I didn't call you any kind of name at all, in the way you have to me, and yet it is you acting indignant.
 
You might want to reconsider your reaction to a thoughtful legitimate question. You seem emotional, angry, and out of control. Bad signs.
 
Actually, don't worry about a response. You clearly have an agenda outside the realm of the purpose of this site.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/22/2010 4:06:43 PM   
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I've combat deployed to that country


What exactly does this term mean?

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/22/2010 4:23:08 PM   
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thompsonx:Not dense at all just making the point that looking at her apendages would be more fun than looking at yours...

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Hence the fact that you're dense. She expressed her opinion that we were "involved" in a "pissing" contest. You, being a reject in real life, with women not wanting to have anything to do with you, started perving after her. That's the second woman on this thread that you perved after, wouldn't be surprised if you perved after many more woman on this board. Perhaps a change of attitude, as well as a change in focus in the bedroom, would let women overlook your ED problems.


It may have escaped your attention but this is a sexually explicit website...perving is what we do here

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/22/2010 4:25:18 PM   
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You'd have to be "blind" to make that comment. I read what you quoted from the UN charter. It didn't prove my argument wrong, all you did was show text written to address symmetrical warfare. The people writing that charter didn't realize that this was what they were doing. But in terms of 21st Century Warfare, that's precisely what they were doing.


Is it your position that churchill and roosevelt had no understanding of asymetrical warfare?

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/22/2010 4:28:58 PM   
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REAL Veterans know that I'm being truthful, and what I say happens in the military is actually what happens.


So only those vets who agree with you are "twue veterans" and all who disagree with you are nothing but lying posers.
That certainly makes it easier for you to claim you have proved something

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/22/2010 4:44:50 PM   
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"Can you tell all of us ignorant children what it means when you say that halliburton is no longer supplying logistic services in iraq?" -- thompsonx


What I replied:

"Halliburton is an energy company, not a logistics and services company for the troops. Halliburton was assumed to provide such services because its subsidiary, KBR was the company that provided those services to the troops."

KBR, which at the time was part of halliburton, was providing services for the u.s. govt in the sand box. That means that it was halliburton that was making money through a company that it had owned for more than forty years. Some how you refuse to see that obvious connection.

"From Chron dot com:" -herfacechair

"KBR is officially out on its own--Oil-field-services giant Halliburton Co. said Thursday it had finally broken ties with KBR, its contracting, engineering and construction unit, which had been a part of the company for 44 years." --Chron dot com

"From Halliburton's website:" - herfacechair

"Halliburton, founded in 1919, is one of the world's largest providers of products and services to the energy industry." -- Halliburton's Website

Now, from Halliburton's own website:

Q: What work is the Company performing in Iraq?

A: Halliburton Company has never been contracted for services by the U.S. government, particularly none of the logistics support services frequently discussed in the media today.

Halliburton owned kbr and kbr had the contract but halliburton somehow in your mind was not the benificiary of that contract....how does that work?

Your question is a red herring question as it doesn't deal with your original assumption that they provided logistics and services to the troops, as well as your assumption that we, US troops deployed to Iraq, were currently making money for your "Halliburton" stocks. Stick with the CRUX of our argument, instead of trying to advance a strawman argument.


No strawman here. If the troops were not there to protect them, halliburton would not last thirty days in the sand box

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/22/2010 5:22:51 PM   
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thompsonx: Just like your squid daddy leaving his post to show a certified welder how to do his job...
REPEAT POINT

A fire watch assigned to a welder would be in that welder's vicinity, with a fire extinguisher. He has to be near the welder in order to quickly put a fire out if the welder starts a fire. When my dad did the welder's job, he was still in his station. This should've been obvious to you if you served. I just love the way you prove me right with your actions. If you served, your posts don't do you any justice.


You seem to know as little about welding as you do about being a soldier.


If we were to match that statement to reality, I'd have enough knowledge to be a professional welder.

However, your statement doesn't reflect reality. You don't have military experience to work from to determine both, how good or bad I am at being a soldier. Your posts here initially indicated that you didn't have a clue about welding, so you can't determine how much, or little, I'd know about welding. You have little to no military service under your belt, and you've demonstrated ignorance about what's entailed in a fire watch.


thompsonx: The firewatch guy is standing by with his fire extinguisher watching the sparks that are caused by the welder and making sure that they do not catch anything on fire.

What? Is there an echo in here? What I said in the post that you replied to:

"A fire watch assigned to a welder would be in that welder's vicinity, with a fire extinguisher. He has to be near the welder in order to quickly put a fire out if the welder starts a fire. When my dad did the welder's job, he was still in his station." - herfacechair

You're either learning from what I'm saying, or you've gotten busy with google.


thompsonx: Now when your squid daddy put on the welders helmet how was he able to see where the sparks went?

What I actually said, pay attention now:

"Like the time he was doing fire watch for a welder. He got tired of waiting on the welder. The welder was working slow as he was working by the hour. My dad grabbed the guy's torch and finished the job in minutes. Pissed the welder off." -- herfacechair

Where, in that statement, does it say that my dad put the welder's helmet on? Why use the welder's helmet when he had PPE for the task, like firewatch goggles? My dad had the fire extinguisher where he'd be able to grab it, after shutting the torch off. Had anything caught fire, he would've turned the torch off and use the fire extinguisher. But he got the job done real quick, took two to three minutes... when the welder tried to take half an hour to an hour.


thompsonx: The welder is a certified specialist and your daddy was neither certified nor the one contracted to do the job.

If you were in the department that my dad was attached to back then, you'd know how to use a welder's torch... as well as other ship's hull maintenance/repair tools. It didn't matter if he were the one contracted to do the job or not. He got the job done quick, and saved man hours that were being tied up with the welder taking forever to do something my dad did in two to three minutes.

Do continue to show how little you know about the military.


thompsonx: Yet he put down his fire extinguisher and put on the welders helmet and abandoned his post.

What I actually said:

"Like the time he was doing fire watch for a welder. He got tired of waiting on the welder. The welder was working slow as he was working by the hour. My dad grabbed the guy's torch and finished the job in minutes. Pissed the welder off." -- herfacechair

Where, in that statement, does it say that my dad put a welder's helmet on? He already had the safety goggles that the fire watch normally wears when they're assigned fire watch. My dad was both, with the welder and he had a fire extinguisher with him. He didn't abandon his post, he stayed at his post and did the welder's job. There's no marking on the floor, ahem, deck, for the firewatch to stand in. They usually select where they stand, or sit, when watching the welder. The only thing that matters is that they're within distance of the welder and his job. My dad met both requirements. Again, had a fire started, my dad would've turned the torch off and activated the fire extinguisher.


thompsonx: See even your "my daddy is so bitchin' stories" lack any semblance of veracity.

You demonstrated how little you know about the military with this one post. You played parrot, regurgitating what I previously told you, to sound like you "knew" what you were talking about. You don't make yourself look good faking your experience, then turning around and acting like you've "busted" me in the act of doing what you're actually doing.

As usual, you're taking what I say out of context, and addressing what you wanted me to say rather than what I actually said. My stories have been consistent, and they're factual. Your attempts to show that you know what you're talking about, with regards to a fire watch, are textbook and make you come across as a faker. You continue to demonstrate that you have little to no military experience.


thompsonx: This would be the same daddy that you claim did six years in viet nam?...yeah right Repeat Point

All you did was give your opinion that my dad "didn't" serve in Vietnam. I countered you with the facts, that he did 6 combat tours in Vietnam... I saw his old award orders for one of the combat tours that he did. Unlike you, my dad served. You could sit there, having never served, and fart the opinion that my dad "didn't" serve all you want, that doesn't change the fact that unlike you, he served in Vietnam.

I didn't say anything about years, I said that my dad did six combat tours in Vietnam. I'm deliberately leaving one key piece of information out, because I know what you're going to try to say in response. I'm sadistic that way.


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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/22/2010 5:24:23 PM   
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I knew 3 guys in Iraq.   They sure are nothing like the OP.  They are not as detailed.

All 3 could sum up Iraq in less then a paragraph.



They could actually spend books talking about it, but they have to condense it to a paragraph so you can get through it.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/22/2010 5:25:55 PM   
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thompsonx: So are you now saying that knocking an offecer on his azz was wrong and the enlisted man doing the punching should and did go to the brig? No you are just dancing as usual.

Are you THAT dense that even after I keep telling you the same thing, you're going to have two different interpretations of what I said? I've constantly shown you this exchange:

"Officer issues stupid orders
Someone's, or his own, wisdom indicates a better option, but he goes against better judgment.
His orders are followed.
Soldiers get killed, injured as a result.
Information is received that indicated that the mission didn't have to happen.
Officer gets knocked on his azz."

Both of these are your responses to my showing the above scenario, and challenging you to find where I said what you allegedly said:

"So in your military
it is ok for enlisted men to punch out officers as long as they actually follow his orders" --thompsonx

"So are you now saying that knocking an offecer on his azz
was wrong and the enlisted man doing the punching should and did go to the brig?" --thompsonx

If anybody is dancing around, it's you. God I love making this braindead poser look stupid with his own words!


thompsonx: So far you have not mentioned what happened to the enlisted man who puched out the officer. Was he arrested? Was he charged? Did he go to the brig?

I did mention it, if you quit taking me out of context, and read what I'm actually saying, you would've gotten this:

"If an officer gets knocked on his ass for making a decision that caused unnecessary death or serious injury; when he should've known better, he increases his chances of getting his ass knocked to the ground. When something like that happens, that officer is going to have a hard time getting the Article 15 process started." -- herfacechair

And this:

"Things like that happen, and whether this ends up through the legal channels or not is up to the chain of command. But there are other ways to instill discipline, they work from informal verbal, serious verbal, written, corrective training, and so on. Depending on the situation, taking the UCMJ route is an option when all other methods failed. In many of these cases, going straight to taking UCMJ action reflects a failure in leadership." --herfacechair


thompsonx: Since you do not condem this action is would follow that you approve and

I have not cheered for it to happen either. Does that mean that I don't approve it?

The moment you use that kind of statement when talking about me, you automatically become wrong... well since you've been consistently been wrong in this thread, you remain wrong. Unless I jump on here and say whether I do, or don't, support something, you need to work with what I've posted here. You can't answer the question I ask you here with either a "yes" or "no" answer because your statement is a perfect example of inductive fallacy.


thompsonx: when you do not tell us what the military did in response to this you imply that it was approved of by command

Actually, I did, again:

"If an officer gets knocked on his ass for making a decision that caused unnecessary death or serious injury; when he should've known better, he increases his chances of getting his ass knocked to the ground. When something like that happens, that officer is going to have a hard time getting the Article 15 process started." -- herfacechair

And this:

"Things like that happen, and whether this ends up through the legal channels or not is up to the chain of command. But there are other ways to instill discipline, they work from informal verbal, serious verbal, written, corrective training, and so on. Depending on the situation, taking the UCMJ route is an option when all other methods failed. In many of these cases, going straight to taking UCMJ action reflects a failure in leadership." --herfacechair


thompsonx: and by the officer who got the shit kicked out of him.

First, what I actually said:

"like a senior NCO
knocking a LT on his ass for making a stupid decision that got people killed, or almost got them killed, a decision that common sense dictated he shouldn't have made." -- herfacechair

Do you see the bolded red statements? This is another example of you using strawman arguments. You take what I say out of context, and addressed what you wanted me to say rather than what I actually said.

The officer that got knocked on his ass? If that's the only thing that he gets, after making a stupid decision that got people killed/injured when he knew of a better way; he considers himself lucky. If you were a veteran, you'd know what I'm talking about. This wouldn't seem real strange.


thompsonx: One has to ask why would a man risk his carear and the next twenty years of his life in prison for such a thing?

If that man had just lost his friends to a stupid decision, when he knew that a better decision would've resulted in his friends still being alive, he wouldn't care. When you're coming off a mission, and you've got adrenalin flowing, added to emotion to losing his friends, one thing is going to matter, at the moment. That officer's chain of command? If an investigation comes down, their assess are on the line. Not only that, but these officers as well as the enlisted guy that did the punching, promised family members back home that they were going to bring their loved one back alive. If the officer tries to go to the chain to initiate Article 15, he's going to have a hard time in this scenario. His chain of command would be like, "really? You're kidding, right?"

thompsonx: The way you tell this story it leads one to believe that this is common practice in the army. Is it? Perhaps you could tell us how many times it has happened in the sand box?

Wrong, a person reading what I post, with the intentions of understanding what I'm saying, would get this, what I said earlier:

"If you look at the trends of my arguments on officers getting their azz knocked on the ground,
I'm not saying that this scenario happens all the time; I just indicated that these DO happen in the military, with the enlisted person not being subjected to Article 15. If you were in the military, this wouldn't sound strange to you. My dad, as well as his Vietnam Veteran friends, talked about how officers got their asses knocked to the ground similar to the scenario I describe above." --herfacechair

Anybody reading what I said, with the intentions of understanding what I'm saying, wouldn't walk away assuming that this is "common" in the Army.


thompsonx: The simple fact is that if one is going to get 20 years in the brig for punching out an officer and the penality for fragging an officer is pretty much the same thing then why would any sane person settle for simply punching out the officer?

You're comparing apples and oranges here. I didn't say anything about enlisted people fragging an officer out. I just said something about officers getting knocked on their asses.

Given the circumstances that I listed in my scenario, the officer that got punched is going to have a hard time getting an article 15 initiated. He could try pushing it through. But he knows that his decision, that lead to unnecessary deaths, would get placed in the spotlight. He knows that he'd get the negative attention of the dead soldier's loved ones. His case might end up on the Army Times, as well as its sister magazines, for all services to see his piss poor judgment... which lead to unnecessary deaths.

Nope. In the scenario I described, the one that got knocked on his ass would wish that this was the only "punishment" that he'll receive.

The loved ones of the soldiers that died because of this guy's stupid decision? Most will think that the officer's getting his ass knocked to the ground wouldn't be enough a punishment. Had you been a veteran, this "human nature" effect wouldn't seem strange to you.


thompsonx: Once again your logic fails your arguement.

The problem isn't with my logic, which is sound. The problem is with your lack of military experience.

If you served during the Vietnam War, it's highly unlikely that you ever combat deployed. The scenario that I talk about here? Combat zones, and training environments where people could get killed if someone does something stupid, might see this scenario play out. It's not just the officers that are subject to getting their asses knocked onto the ground. It's not just the enlisted people that'll do the "face punching" either. It's the circumstances, and the human nature involved, that increases the chances that something like this would happen.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/22/2010 5:28:16 PM   
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thompsonx: Dude you seem to be the only mind reader here. You post that your dead squi daddy did six tours in iraq. I asked how that was possible. Repeat Point.

This has nothing to do with being a mind reader, it has everything to do with using common sense, like reading the TRENDS in my debates. It has everything to do with reading comprehension abilities.

I post my thoughts clearly. It's your job to read my posts with the intentions of understanding what I was saying. Since you're admitting that you're too stupid to understand simple English, let me spell this out for you:

This is a sample of what I've said over the course of two months:

"So was my dad, did six combat tours in Vietnam" - herfacechair

"My dad did six combat tours in Vietnam, first as UDT, later as one of the original SEALS." - herfacechair

"My dad did 6 combat tours in Vietnam, first as UDT and later as a SEAL." -- herfacechair

"My dad did six combat tours in Vietnam. He started as UDT, then became one of the original SEALS." -- herfacechair

"All you did was give your opinion that my dad "didn't" serve in Vietnam. I countered you with the facts, that he did 6 combat tours in Vietnam" -- herfacechair

"My dad did six combat tours in Iraq." -- herfacechair

"I've repeatedly said that my dad did six combat tours in Vietnam." - herfacechair

As many times as I've said that my dad dis six combat tours in Vietnam, it should've dawned on you that I meant to say "Vietnam" when I said "Iraq." To use your own reasoning, "When people have no argument they refuse to see what people meant to say, based on the trend of what they previously said. This just shows that you're desperate in this fight.


thompsonx: So now it is our job to read your mind when you can't even post your own thoughts clearly.

Since you want to play this game, I'm going to give you taste of your own medicine:

What? Are you that arrogant that you're telling me that everybody on the opposition has somebody that they've designated to meet other people for themselves? And how the fuck can you peg these people from a website?

Meeter: Attendant, a person who is present and participates in a meeting; one who meets. (Princeton, wordnetweb)

So you need to give me the answer to this question. And before you give me the bullshit about, "attacking your spelling because I 'don't" have an argument," I'm going to remind you of what you said above:

"So now it is our job to read your mind when you can't even post your own thoughts clearly." -thompsonx

Get used to seeing me ask that question, about the opposition's "meeter."


thompsonx: So this is your admission that your squid daddy did not do six years in viet nam as you implied. Perhaps you might be so kind as to tell us how many years your squid daddy did in viet nam?

That's not what I'm saying, again:

"I didn't say anything about years, I said that my dad did six combat tours in Vietnam. I'm deliberately leaving one key piece of information out, because I know what you're going to try to say in response. I'm sadistic that way." -- herfacechair

My not saying anything about years isn't me "admitting" to something I didn't say in the first place. The only person that's saying "6 years" is you; this is just another one of your examples of taking my post out of context.


thompsonx: Now you are a mind reader

Don't mistake my having the opposition's psychology down as my being a mind reader. I've debated with you people for years, listened to you guys advance the same argument, seen you guys give similar reactions, etc. I have you guys listed in categories.

thompsonx: and an all knowing savant of what is and is not.

I'm not going to argue a topic unless I have extensive research and experience in it. Look at the other threads on this forum. Very few of the currently active threads come close to that. Most of the threads, I don't have much of either, so I don't debate on them. I just debate on threads where I have extensive knowledge based on research and experience. I'm not going to argue a topic unless I know more about it than the opposition. What's sad is that you're too slow in grasping that concept.

thompsonx: Actually my post are causing your knickers to be in such a bunch you can't even sit down.

Wrong, and this is another one of your smoke and mirror comments. Your posts just give me more opportunity to expose you as a fraud. You're a fraud with your veteran claims, you're a fraud with what you claim you know, and you're a fraud with what you're trying to portray with your posts. What's really happening is that my posts are causing your blood to boil. You want me to disappear, and go away. You don't want me to challenge your drivel. But my staying, and my constantly replying to you with no signs of weakening, is driving you up the wall.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/22/2010 5:29:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

ORIGINAL: herfacechair

quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx
…has pegged everyones meeter.


What? Are you that arrogant that you’re telling me that everybody on the opposition has somebody that they’ve designated to meet other people for themselves? And how the fuck can you peg these people from a website?

Meeter: Attendant, a person who is present and participates in a meeting; one who meets. (Princeton, wordnetweb)

My posts must be pretty damn good to be able to peg a meeter from within this message board.

Doesn’t your own medicine taste great?

But you see, unlike you, I have common sense. I knew, from reading comprehension abilities far superior to yours, what you were talking about. Even though you mentioned an actual job position, for a person, I had the intelligence to determine that you were talking about something else.


When people have no argument they jump on spelling errors...I like to leave bait out for people like that...it's nice to know that you did not disapoint me.


Back to you:

“So now it is our job to read your mind when you can't even post your own thoughts clearly.” -thompsonx

By your own definition, you ran out of argument. You ran out of argument early on in this thread. That’s evident by the fact that you resort to taking people out of context; resort to red herring statements; resort to strawman arguments; and constantly resort to repeat points. These are all tactics by someone going up different levels of desperation in addition to running out of argument.

Your refusing to see what I actually meant, based on what I’ve said throughout these 2 months, and your using smoking mirrors, show that you’re really getting desperate in this fight.

Notice how the story changes, and you’re made to look like a bigger ass, when I show what actually happened in this discussion.

I got you back by using your own antiques. Do you see the bolded red statement in that quote? I was just giving you a taste of your own medicine. Your response? You accurately describe that tactic, YOUR TACTIC, as that of someone that ran out of argument. That’s right, you ran out of argument.

Notice how I told you that I understood where you were coming from. You cut that out playing your usual games of taking people out of context.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 7/22/2010 5:31:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: herfacechair
Entire statement added back in to put things back into context.


Here's a saying from one of the leadership courses they teach in the military:

"What's wrong is wrong, even if the majority think it's right."

And

"What's right is right, even if the majority think it's wrong."

These describe certain instances, like the opposition's argument here. What's wrong is wrong describes the majority posters thinking that I'm "full of shit." What's right in this instance? The argument that I'm advancing against your drivel, as well as those that you call, "the majority on this board." Your statement amounts to inductive fallacy. It doesn't reflect the facts, and it assumes that your argument is "right" because the majority that post here essentially said the same thing as you.

So, to test your inductive fallacy, here's the same question again:


Everybody used to believe that the sun orbited the Earth. Since everybody believed this, did it automatically follow that the Sun actually orbited the Earth, simply because everybody believed it did? YES [ ] NO [ ]. (NOTE: thompsonx only quoted this part so that he could take me out of context.)

Simply copy and paste that question, put an "X" in the appropriate box and spare me your BS.

Your failure to answer this question will prove that you have no confidence in your statement. It also causes you to forfeit asking me questions, or expecting me to answer your questions.


So your point is that the majority is never right and the minority is always right?


No, if you read what I said, which I put back into the quote, you'd see my point. I bolded and underlined what I was getting across. My point was that there are instances when what the majority believe to be "true" is actually wrong. A perfect example here is the opposition and their views of my post. They're assuming that I'm "wrong." You turn around and use inductive fallacy, that since the majority that posted think that I'm "wrong," I have to be "wrong." You see, in this thread, my argument is right, while those against me are wrong. The fact that they're in the majority doesn't change the fact that they're wrong.

Again, no mind reading necessary here. All you have to do is read my posts with the intentions of understanding what I'm saying. Do that, and you wouldn't have to ask stupid questions while you dodge a straightforward question. You'll also save yourself time from accusing me of expecting you guys to "read my mind."

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