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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 12:59:38 PM

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Dude... you are wasting your time with RO.... sorry, that's just how it is...:)

He's wasting his time with a lot of other people, too. I agreed with a lot of what he said at first, and it sounded credible to me, until he made the assertion that our troops were attacked with sarin, mustard gas, and other chemical agents. Now I don't believe a word he says about anything, unfortunately.

Yeah, I have to agree with you. That's the problem in today's climate. Question anything and you are not supportive of the troops.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 1:01:06 PM

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Doing my best to counter media propaganda against the Iraq War, as well as their silence on how things are really going there, using recent first hand experience.

What media propaganda would that be?

That we launched a war because we knew Iraq had WMD's but somehow after seven years we haven't been able to find them?

If your perceptions of the Iraq War are different from what I've described here, and on previous threads, then I'm talking about the propaganda perpetrated by your news source.

Both sarin and mustard gas were used against our troops post invasion. And get this, blister agents were used against Iraqis in my AO shortly before I went on R and R. What do these three things, sarin, mustard, and blister agents, have in common? They're chemical agents.

What does WMD consist of? Chemical, biological, and nuclear agents. For further details, search the debates I've been involved with on this board arguing the sarin/mustard gas argument.

I'm not searching anything.

If you have proof to offer post it.

There have been NO reports of mustard gas or any chemical agents being used during or after the invasion.

But of course that must be because the main stream media refused to report it, right?

You insinuated that there were "no" WMD in Iraq, I told you how WMD was used against our forces post invasion. Saying that you're not going to search for something, while making claims like what you did, is being irresponsible.

The burden of proof is on you, don't tell me to offer proof, as I've done that numerous times. I've posted links to a couple reports supporting the sarin and mustard gas comments a thread here a few years back.

No wait, you've jumped in here later on in this thread claiming that you "proved" me "wrong," I'll wait till then to provide an article source.

The mainstream media either failed to report it, buried it, or conducted massive spin over it, in order to carry on the canard that Iraq had "no" WMD.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 1:04:24 PM

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Let's simplify this.

Dude, you are SO wasting your time with that one. Him and pa are....well special. They ride the short bus to conspiracy university. It doesn't matter what you say, how much evidence you present or where you physically take them to see the facts -- they won't.

Just put them on ignore, answer questions from the genuinely curious (and grateful) and move on with your day. Those two are so far beyond help it's genuinely, TRULY sad.

I've debated with their kind over the internet over these past few years. I take sadistic pleasure in continuing to subject their argument to blistering scrutiny, using facts, logic and a reasoned argument. RealOne brings himself closer to becoming a troll on the board the longer he remains in this discussion. His condition has gotten worse since the last time I argued with him; and he seems to be regressing from maturity... judging by the way he conducts himself on this thread.

I could see what you mean by them being so far beyond help. Heck, not only do they seem to have gone off the deep end, it appears that their keyboards have gone off the deep end as well.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 1:05:22 PM

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To those who thanked me for my service, Sanity, Heritic, Thishereboi, DaddysredheadX, Vendaval, kana, RacerJim, and everybody else. Thanks.

I thanked you also but you do not feel like acknowledging it...why???
It would appear that common courtesy is not so common.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 1:06:18 PM

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Considering the media was lead along the path like the rest of us, I find that hard to believe.

No one, not Congress, not reporters, no one really objected to the war.

Colin Powell and George Tenant said there were WMD's so off we went and the press of all stripes supported it.

Later when none was found, it became an issue.

You are asking us to believe that it was covered up by a vast conspiracy. That's as nutty as RO

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 1:10:43 PM

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Please....It's merely one set of eyes. If he is even there. Hardly a consensus.

Hardly setting the record "straight." I know this is how you choose to develop your opinions, some of us have bigger brains.

A bigger brain would've seen the other posts, mine and others, that indicated that I'm not the only one that sees things this way. Don't mistake your discriminating against facts that contradict your beliefs as being "big brained," unless you're talking about being "big headed" in the same sense as being arrogant.

My set of eyes are just one pair within the those of the majority of the troops that served in Iraq. As I said earlier in the post, I'm on R and R, which is a temporary break from the deployment. It's obvious that I'm here, and not there.

I've been in Iraq, and will be back there in a few days. There's no question that I'm both, in the military, and an Iraq Veteran, and will be going back there. Heck, I could get with someone here, preferably in the Virginia Beach area, an independent party, and show them a copy of my DA 31, My ERB, my LES, and other documents proving that I'm in the military, and am in a deployed status, etc, then have that person come on here to verify my statements.

I'm doing my part in setting the record straight, as in telling people what I've observed. What I've seen contradicts what the news portrays. Just ask the majority of the troops that have served there.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 1:13:37 PM

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Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssss.

Note the posting history regarding asynch war, and why the military hates the press, he is pushing alot of slanted agenda here.

Calling a spade a spade doesn't constitute pushing a slanted agenda. We are involved in asymmetrical warfare, and the press doesn't report the complete facts about Iraq. Those are facts. You don't slant the facts, but you can slant a story... as evidence by your posts about both, the issues and what I've said.

I still remember your blatant strawman tactics in a previous debate.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 1:13:44 PM

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Especially now that the Anti Iraqi Forces are testing the Iraqis that are taking over from us. So far, so good.

This is the most encouraging thing I have heard yet.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 1:17:32 PM

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Colin Powell and George Tenant said there were WMD's

If I remember correctly, so did most of the UN.

Were they there and Saddam managed to get rid of them or hide them?

Or did the CIA and others blow it.

The truth may never come out.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 1:18:22 PM

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You don't have to be a genius to realize that while RO is a whack job, one man's account is just that, one man's account.

I am not trying to diminish his service, I don't know anything about it.

Of course, I didn't try to diminish John Kerry's service either.

Whatever his reasons for serving I would thank him for his service. That doesn't mean I have to buy into anyones agenda

This is the kind of slanted agenda that mnottertail talks about. This isn't just about "one man's account." This is about a first hand account of what's happening in Iraq, versus what people get from the news, or what they get from conspiracy whack job website/shows.

My account reflects that of the majority of the troops that've ground deployed to Iraq. There's no "agenda" involved with reporting what I saw in Iraq.

I guess it's easier for certain people to dismiss a first hand account, that contradicts their biases, than to disregard their biases and accept the facts as they are, and not what they want them to be.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 1:18:25 PM

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Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssss.

Note the posting history regarding asynch war, and why the military hates the press, he is pushing alot of slanted agenda here.

Calling a spade a spade doesn't constitute pushing a slanted agenda. We are involved in asymmetrical warfare, and the press doesn't report the complete facts about Iraq. Those are facts. You don't slant the facts, but you can slant a story... as evidence by your posts about both, the issues and what I've said.

I still remember your blatant strawman tactics in a previous debate.

They also don't show pictures of combat or coffins returning home. Your point is becoming weaker and weaker.

If you indeed have been on active combat duty, you have my respect for that. It's a shitty way to live.

But don't think that buys you cart blanche on your evidence and opinions.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 1:21:48 PM

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pahunkboy:I do not thank you. I don't dis-thank you either.

I expected this kind of response from your kind.

pahunkboy: I have talked in detail to 3 who served.

I've lost count of how many soldiers/service members/civilians, serving in Iraq, or who have served in Iraq, that I've talked to in detail. The majority share my argument and my observations.

pahunkboy: So now we have 1.3 mil dead Iraqis.

Your numbers are questionable, and keep in mind that most died as a result of terrorist actions.

pahunkboy: I am not sure how this frees anyone.

Every Iraqi that I saw and interacted with in Iraq enjoyed freedoms they didn't have while under Saddam.

pahunkboy: We are in Iraq for oil. Oil because of the petro $. The dollar is back by oil and bombs. Not gold.

No we're not there for oil. In fact, the Iraqi government recently bided contracts to develop the oil industry... US industry was present, but didn't bid.

The majority of our oil comes from the Western Hemisphere, with Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela being our major suppliers. If this were about oil, we would've invaded Venezuela.

pahunkboy: Here we are in 2 endless wars and people here in this board are swooning to thank this guy.

We won the war in Iraq with a straight cut victory. It's peace time there the vast majority of the time, with the Iraqi military doing the vast majority of the fight when it does happen, and soon to take over all the fight, from assault to support/security and logistics.

pahunkboy: if the US send troops to Pennsylvania in the manner that we did Iraq, we would shoot back.

If the Pennsylvania government sends people through plastic shredders, feet first, simply because of paranoia, if they filled mass graves with people they push through kangaroo courts/then summarily executed, if the Pennsylvania government sanctioned rape, if they take actions that cause Pennsylvanians to constantly fear for their lives, and so on, we'd be sending troops there in the manner that we did Iraq.

Do look at the bigger picture before comparing apples and oranges.

Your criticism of the people thanking me is based on your disagreement with the Iraq War, and with what I'm saying, and not on any real, unbiased, look on what's going on.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 1:27:15 PM

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Funny thing is is that HFC posted and pretty much ran off. I guess his "rr" is over.

DomYngBlk: Funny thing is is that HFC posted and pretty much ran off. I guess his "rr" is over.

I highly recommend that you research the threads I've debated on here before spewing nonsense about what I do. In case you tell me that you don't want to research that information... available with the search function on this board... I don't run from an engagement/forum debate... and I don't abandon it, or the debate that I'm involved with, until everybody else has abandoned it.

DomYngBlk: Wasn't here but seemed he stopped pretty early yesterday after his original. I would have thought that if he was finally trying to get the "truth" out that he might have stuck around.....but hey, what do I kow

What do you know? Your drivel about my intentions, and actions here, painfully shows that you know nothing. You don't know who I am, and how I do things. Don't make assumptions about what I'd do if I really meant to do something. It's like you said, you weren't here.

I debate ad infinitum, my not coming back for the day isn't an indication that I've "ran off" from the debate, nor is it an indication that I "wasn't" here to set the record straight. I debate ad infinitum, which means that regardless of how much time passes between responses, I will get back and lob a reply.

I'm "psychotic" when it comes to getting back with people.

DomYngBlk: But to suggest that the OP is supplying anyone with anything more than his own politically slanted views, is really dumb and naive.

To suggest that I'm pushing my own "politically slanted views" on anybody here is to demonstrate ignorance; ignorance about me, ignorance about what I'm communicating, why I'm communicating it, and ignorance of what's really going on in Iraq, and it shows a massive failure in reading comprehension... in this case, willing failure in reading comprehension on the part of the person disagreeing with what I'm communicating here.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 1:30:29 PM

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This isn't just about "one man's account." This is about a first hand account of what's happening in Iraq,

You may be a little too young to remember General waste more land giving his little pep talks from the front telling the american people the first hand blah blah balh...
Funny your tail sounds just like his...I know his story was bullshit because I was there when he was running his mouth.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 1:31:05 PM

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RacerJim: The reason many Vietnam Veterans diminished John Kerry's service during the 2004 election was because during his 1971 testimony under oath before the Senate Foreign Relations Committe on Vietnam Affairs he desparaged the service of all Vietnam Veterans. In addition, if not moreover, during that same testimony Kerry self-incriminated himself as a traitor and war criminal.

domiguy: No. the main reason that you diminished his service was because you are a Republican and you believed everything that the Swift Boaters told you to believe... That pretty well sums it up... You allowed yourself to be duped.

WRONG.

Racer Jim was right on the money with his assessment. The majority of the Vietnam Veterans weren't the only ones that didn't take Kerry's service seriously... as applied to the 2004 Elections. The majority of those that were in the military felt the same way. It's a military thing, you know, about not fucking your battle buddy over, not stomping on them, and not making speeches that work against their efforts, especially when we still have boots on the ground... especially when you use it to further your own agenda.

Most active service members, and military veterans, frown on that kind of behavior.

We had troops on the ground in Vietnam when he made statements impugning their actions. His statements provided more ammo to those working against our service member's efforts in Vietnam. This, in turn, encouraged our enemies in Vietnam to continue on.

Again, it's a military thing. You don't fuck your battle buddies, shipmates, wingmen, etc over, especially with a lie. This wasn't about him being a Democrat. We would've done the same thing had Kerry ben a Republican.

Also, I could tell from your posts that you didn't even bother examining the statements that the Swift Boat Veterans made. I read their book, and could relate to their statements and complaints on a military level.

We have many people in the service, today, that pull John Kerry's. They're the people, for instance, that'd throw a barbecue together for their battles... not because they cared about troop moral, but because they're about to get an annual evaluation report, and they want a verifiable bullet to use... they ultimately only cared about themselves.

Service members, and military veterans, call these people self-serving, back stabbing, azz kissers. That's what John Kerry was while he was in service.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 1:33:15 PM

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So your point is, not everyone in the military is pure of heart or necessarily believable.

Oddly enough, that is my point too.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 1:37:14 PM

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Typical conservative who fought in a losing and ill conceived war and now wants to rewrite history.

Your statement here represents the result of history being re-written.

Militarily, we won the Vietnam War, on Vietnam soil... even the Vietnamese that we fought admitted to us defeating them in every major battle. The anti war people and Democrat congress; however, won the Vietnam War, for the Vietnamese, on US Streets and in Congress.

For decades, the Vietnamese had a section in their war victory museum, dedicated to John Kerry and the anti war demonstrators. They might have taken his picture down as a result of the heat John Kerry received during the 2004 Elections.

That's one, of many, pieces of information, contained in the Swift Boat Veteran book that I read, that you can't dismiss as a bunch of lies. The communist know that without Kerry et al's efforts, history would've been much different for them.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 1:38:07 PM

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RacerJim: The reason many Vietnam Veterans diminished John Kerry's service during the 2004 election was because during his 1971 testimony under oath before the Senate Foreign Relations Committe on Vietnam Affairs he desparaged the service of all Vietnam Veterans.

You mean he told the truth so to you that is a bad thing...why?

In addition, if not moreover, during that same testimony Kerry self-incriminated himself as a traitor and war criminal.

The war criminal thingie pretty much covers everyone who served in Viet Nam.
The traitor thingie is no different than ray gun ronnie dealing with the Iranians while carter was still president. If it was treason for kerry then it is treason for ray gun ronnie.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 1:41:01 PM

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Please....It's merely one set of eyes. If he is even there. Hardly a consensus.

Hardly setting the record "straight." I know this is how you choose to develop your opinions, some of us have bigger brains.

Some of us actually take people at their word(s) unless/until they, or someone else, give us good reason not to.

Your post hardly does that.

Vietnam Veteran

HENCE, the very thing that my detractors on this thread, the ones insinuating that I'm a "poser." Don't get. They don't realize that there are ways to verify whether someone is in the military or not, or if they've served overseas or in a combat zone or not.

If they'd served, or deployed, they'd know what kind of questions to ask someone to determine whether they're a poser or not. I've yet to have one of these jokers, the ones trying to cast doubt on my service, PM me with questions that only a service member would be able to answer.

In my case, they don't really have to resort to sending individual questions... I've said things in some of my posts that only someone that has deployed, or that has served, would recognize as something that would be said only by a person that has served and deployed.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/7/2010 1:41:32 PM

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What Kerry did was to try an put an end to an unjust an ill started and a highly unpopular war. He didn't "cost" American lives he saved them.

You are at least 39 years old (probably older) and are fighting in Iraq. Good for you. Thanks.

I don't believe you nor do I value your assessments. Stay well.

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