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This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/6/2006 6:00:42 PM   
youQadesh


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A Dominant man imed me recently on ALT, and told me with complete certitude that women are in every way inferior to men.   For now I have little desire to address all of his opinions, but I was very interested to see how people especially Masters and slaves respond to some of the ideas expressed in the following conversation.

I was going to put the whole conversation on this post, though I decided against it due to the length.  I will just put the most provocative sections of the conversation on here, and offer to anyone who may be interested, an e-mail with the full conversation.  If you find yourself interested in reading the whole thing just send me an e-mail through collarme.

Here it goes....





Dom: I believe, frankly, that women are deeply and inherently inferior to men.  I believe the world has lost sight of that basic fact of life, and has spent far too long denying it.  I believe it is the fault of this society, and, frankly, men who have abdicated their proper place all too easily
Dom: Understand, I mean no offense-- I am simply telling you how I feel
Dom: I believe the rightful, natural place of women is at the feet of men who are equipped and willing to control them and keep them
Dom: and it is quite a tragedy that more of them are not
yourqadesh: lol
Dom: I believe that women who "domme" men are simply issuing cries for help.  I do believe in women domming other women depending upon the woman of course
Dom: Physically-- women are weaker, their bodies more prone to injury and infection.... physically the only thing women have on men is pain tolerance, which I think is for MUCH more important things that just child birth
Dom: Mentally-- women don't think by default-- they FEEL.  There is a big difference.  The latter is simply the wrong way of going about it
Dom: Women are more easily led, and are, by their natures, compliant and submissive.  Once you know that basic fact, it makes functioning as a Dom quite a bit easier.

And this is just a bit that shows what happened when I had experience that went against some of his opinions;

yourqadesh: and I can tell you, that I wouldn't be able to form a coherent sentence if I couldn't think
Dom: You're taking me a bit too literally.  Faced with a crisis, do you more readily think your way out, or feel your way out?
Dom: Be honest with yourself before you answer
yourqadesh: I honestly think my way out.
Dom: Look, I would prefer not to focus on the points we disagree on-- let's talk about what we DO agree on.  Tell me, what do you personally get out of being Dominant?
yourqadesh: if our world was completely made up of moments of crisis, and need for physical protection, maybe your opinions would hold up
yourqadesh: but there is much more to life than that, and there are places where women are predisposed to succeeding where men aren’t, such as interpersonal relationships
yourqadesh: but ultimately we can work against our predispositions through hard work, and change
yourqadesh: woman body builders for instance could probably out fight 90% of men
Dom: You can never distance yourself that far from what you are-- and you know it.  Ask yourself this question-- why are women so prone to hate other women?  You know that's true, by the way-- women generally can't stand other women
yourqadesh: if that were true then my three closest friends wouldn’t be woman
Dom: Ever have a man come between you?
yourqadesh: no
yourqadesh: not even close
yourqadesh: my girls are like sisters to me
Dom: Look-- we're going in circles-- I asked a question above.

By posting the whole conversation I could have shown you that we were certainly not going in circles. I will simply leave it up to you to decide why he said that we were, and diverted the conversation to another focus by referencing a question.  A question, might I add, that was asked out of the blue while I was simply offering up counterpoints.
 
Eager does not adequately describe how I feel towards hearing responses to this post.
 
edited becaws mie spelling can bi bad at tymes

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RE: This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/6/2006 6:03:55 PM   
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Sad but so true, and the scary thing is there are hundereds of people out there like that, and even scaryer way to many women who will believe it

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RE: This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/6/2006 6:38:14 PM   
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Personally, I think the sexes are unequal if judged up against each other. Masculinity and Femininity have different traits, different dispositions. Its like asking " Is a monkey equal to a elephant". Of course not, they are two different animals. Is one better than the other? Depending on the frame of reference your using for the question. If your asking " Is a monkey and elephant equal in their ability to climb up a tree?" The answer is of course "no". I for one amhappy being a female and dont need to feel like a man to feel like a woman (tilting my head wondering if that made sense). I accept that males have different roles to females and that is perfectly ok. I'm kinda old fashioned like that. I like the differences.

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RE: This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/6/2006 6:43:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: amaidiamond

Sad but so true, and the scary thing is there are hundereds of people out there like that, and even scaryer way to many women who will believe it


I am unsettled to hear his views, not because they are inherently flawed(which they are), and not even for the content of them(which I'v been exposed to many times on Jerry Springer) but because he is clearly a very intellegent human being.  People with that kind of brain power, and those kind of views-I'm thinking, not a very good mix most of the time.

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RE: This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/6/2006 7:00:48 PM   
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This is just a personal observation, but in my lifetime, the few men I have known whom think in similar fashion, have often, because they feel threaten by women, been abusers of one sort or another. wife abusers and child abusers, because they think, women are inferior.

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RE: This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/6/2006 7:10:30 PM   
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ssshhhhhhh,    dont let T/them find out the truth. W/we actually control everything, W/we just let T/them think T/they do.

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RE: This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/6/2006 7:26:20 PM   
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I feel what he's forgotten is quite simple, without light there is no dark, no cold, no hot.  Intelligent he may be, but it will be his loss...............



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RE: This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/6/2006 7:27:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slavejali

Personally, I think the sexes are unequal if judged up against each other. Masculinity and Femininity have different traits, different dispositions. Its like asking " Is a monkey equal to a elephant". Of course not, they are two different animals. Is one better than the other? Depending on the frame of reference your using for the question. If your asking " Is a monkey and elephant equal in their ability to climb up a tree?" The answer is of course "no". I for one amhappy being a female and dont need to feel like a man to feel like a woman (tilting my head wondering if that made sense). I accept that males have different roles to females and that is perfectly ok. I'm kinda old fashioned like that. I like the differences.



I completely agree with the first part of your comment.  He says that women are inherently inferior to men.  The very statement is flawed because superiority and inferiority are contextually based. Depending on the function that each person serves in a given situation, one person can be inferior in one circumstance but superior in another.  Just like what you said, an elephant is an inferior climber to a monkey, but neither is fundamentally inferior.   Now that is the truth.

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RE: This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/6/2006 7:30:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: youQadesh

quote:

ORIGINAL: amaidiamond

Sad but so true, and the scary thing is there are hundereds of people out there like that, and even scaryer way to many women who will believe it


I am unsettled to hear his views, not because they are inherently flawed(which they are), and not even for the content of them(which I'v been exposed to many times on Jerry Springer) but because he is clearly a very intellegent human being.  People with that kind of brain power, and those kind of views-I'm thinking, not a very good mix most of the time.



It's pretty simple really, how people get caught up in the superiority debate. For Example I think certain things are more important than other things. It just so happens since I'm a typical guy mostly men have interest in those things as well. Like I think engineering, and technical fields are the most important areas of intelligence. Well, looking back in history the vast majority of these advances were made by men, so if so inclined I could come to the conclusion that men are better at doing the important things. But, you take someone else let's say my grandmother, she will care little of technology and such, and think child rearing was the most important thing, and women typically throughout history have done that. So, one has to step back and try looking at things from a broader perspective, and it really starts to appear that all roles are important and some more important depending on the circumstance. But neither is more important or superior in all environments. Is rational thinking superior to emotional. Depends on the situation.

The supremacist is unable to comprehend the importance of things that they personally don't value, and thus guage the world only based on their personal preferences (lack of ability to see why others wouldn't value what they do or not as much so). There are people that can think one step out from themselves (typically the dogma types), most can think a couple steps(all that's required in this case), and the trully superior can see the relationships in any school of thought beyond my capabilities.

So, am I superior as a man, depends on what you think is important.  Women do the same thing by the way only they use a different set of criteria for coming to the conclusion.

hmmm, hope that made sense.

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RE: This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/6/2006 7:35:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveladyj

This is just a personal observation, but in my lifetime, the few men I have known whom think in similar fashion, have often, because they feel threaten by women, been abusers of one sort or another. wife abusers and child abusers, because they think, women are inferior.



Here is a second personal observation of that same thing.
I'm not saying all,but a good majority do.
And that guy sounds like he could be an abuser.Of course thats just My opinion.

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RE: This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/6/2006 7:44:27 PM   
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send him to jessyka, she'll straighten his ass out.

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RE: This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/6/2006 7:57:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

send him to jessyka, she'll straighten his ass out.


Geez, as if I was not thinking the same thing...

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RE: This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/6/2006 7:57:45 PM   
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I'm suprised but happy to see that no one shares the same views as him on this in this thread.

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RE: This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/6/2006 8:08:02 PM   
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send him to jessyka, she'll straighten his ass out.

Isn't she the same thing  That would be great fun, watching to supremacists go at it. And the best part is no matter who wins, they'll both still be wrong! Good Fun.

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RE: This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/6/2006 8:11:55 PM   
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RE: This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/6/2006 8:29:52 PM   
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There's another huge problem with his views--people don't crave control or release based on intelligence, competence, or anything else.  I happen to be very good at many of the masculine ways of defining competence--for example, I got a perfect score on the analytical portion of the GRE and my score on the verbal and math portion got me a MENSA invite.  Therefore, following his 'logic,' I guess I should be a Domme?  

I'm surprised you were able to talk to him as long as you did!  I'd have just left the conversation!

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RE: This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/6/2006 8:39:46 PM   
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Women and men are NOT the same, without a doubt, but his information is biologically and scientifically proven to be wrong.

Seriously.

Gimme a bit and I could hunt up actual, peer-reviewed, reputable medical studies that refute most of what he said.

Not giving it any further htought.


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RE: This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/6/2006 8:50:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ladychatterley

There's another huge problem with his views--people don't crave control or release based on intelligence, competence, or anything else.  I happen to be very good at many of the masculine ways of defining competence--for example, I got a perfect score on the analytical portion of the GRE and my score on the verbal and math portion got me a MENSA invite.  Therefore, following his 'logic,' I guess I should be a Domme?  

I'm surprised you were able to talk to him as long as you did!  I'd have just left the conversation!


I couldnt stop talking to him!  I would probably be talking to him right now if he were on.  Its so interesting to me to interact with someone I dissagree with so wholeheartedly.  For me is it a practice in emotional restraint, and learning how to ask the right questions.

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RE: This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/6/2006 8:51:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

Women and men are NOT the same, without a doubt, but his information is biologically and scientifically proven to be wrong.

Seriously.

Gimme a bit and I could hunt up actual, peer-reviewed, reputable medical studies that refute most of what he said.

Not giving it any further htought.



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RE: This1 speaks 4 itself! - 4/7/2006 5:16:44 AM   
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Seems a terrible waste of a superior male brain if you ask me. *shakes head*

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