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lobodomslavery -> Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 12:26:29 AM)

i read this in fetlife. it seems that Dommes are more and more apprehensive about their legal standing in relation to sub treatment. Many have advised to contact lawyers in case they would be reported by neighbours or the police would come to their door. But my question is this , why would a Domme be interested in getting legal advice in relation to their trade in training subbies. Surely if the male is happy what goes on between two adults is nobody's business but their own.  And surely its not against the law if two adults agree to do something and the sub party signs a waiver- against liability to the Domme for injury etc
kevin




thishereboi -> RE: Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 4:42:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

i read this in fetlife. it seems that Dommes are more and more apprehensive about their legal standing in relation to sub treatment. Many have advised to contact lawyers in case they would be reported by neighbours or the police would come to their door. But my question is this , why would a Domme be interested in getting legal advice in relation to their trade in training subbies. Surely if the male is happy what goes on between two adults is nobody's business but their own.  And surely its not against the law if two adults agree to do something and the sub party signs a waiver- against liability to the Domme for injury etc
kevin



why would a Domme be interested in getting legal advice in relation to their trade in training subbies.

because....

Many have advised to contact lawyers in case they would be reported by neighbours or the police would come to their door.


Looks like you answered your own question.






LadyAngelika -> RE: Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 5:06:08 AM)

Being a Domme is not a trade to me, it is part of who I am. I have never had to ask for legal advice about being me.

- LA




thishereboi -> RE: Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 5:22:13 AM)

He is talking about professionals.

then again, maybe he's not.

It is kevin after all.




MissAsylum -> RE: Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 5:24:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

It is kevin after all.



my thoughts exactly.




LadyAngelika -> RE: Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 5:27:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MissAsylum

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

It is kevin after all.



my thoughts exactly.


Ditto

- LA




sirsholly -> RE: Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 5:28:27 AM)

i have no idea what the laws are in other areas, but in Pa if the police are called they will make an arrest if they see any type of bodily injury.




VampiresLair -> RE: Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 5:34:33 AM)

And surely its not against the law if two adults agree to do something and the sub party signs a waiver- against liability to the Domme for injury etc

That right there is getting legal advice. Mainly that a sub cannot legally sign that document. You cannot consent to assault, so like a slave contract that document is not something that would hold up in court. The reason so many Dominants are concerned, male and female, is because anyone can call the law if they believe there is physical abuse going on and he ones involved do not have to necessarily press charges. It isnt a trade issue it doesnt strictly concern pros, though whatever you read on fetlife may have.

You see a lot of concern with male doms about this, actually, moreso than femdommes because of the ideas of domestic abuse and the ease at which someone can be reported and arrested for it. Abuse hotlines are anonymous, so whomever tips the police off doesnt even have to reveal themselves, and any marks are considered evidence. So, its an understandable concern.




DarkSteven -> RE: Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 6:16:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

i have no idea what the laws are in other areas, but in Pa if the police are called they will make an arrest if they see any type of bodily injury.


Oh, crap.  Is there any time you don't have some kind of bodily injury?

/Warns Jim/




sirsholly -> RE: Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 6:19:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

i have no idea what the laws are in other areas, but in Pa if the police are called they will make an arrest if they see any type of bodily injury.


Oh, crap.  Is there any time you don't have some kind of bodily injury?

Um...not lately [:(]




sirsholly -> RE: Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 6:24:28 AM)

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The reason so many Dominants are concerned, male and female, is because anyone can call the law if they believe there is physical abuse going on and he ones involved do not have to necessarily press charges.
this is what i was trying to say. The "injured" party does not have to press charges. An arrest will be made even with an adamant denial if any injuries are seen.
Awesome law for true domestic violence situations, but it does create a real issue for a Dom/me.




Jeffff -> RE: Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 7:37:51 AM)

Whether anyone wants to believe it or not, almost...damn near close to everything we do is illegal.

Thats just how it is. So any legal advice would probably be something along the lines of. " Don't do that"


I hope this helps




Andalusite -> RE: Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 8:29:54 AM)

Even if someone isn't accepting money for S/M or bondage or domination, some activities are illegal in some areas. Here in California, Domestic Violence can be prosecuted even without the cooperation of either person, and you can't technically consent to assault except in very narrowly defined areas such as boxing, martial arts, football, and other sports that have a risk of violence. Here in the Bay Area, police and prosecutors are generally aware enough of BDSM that it's relatively unlikely that someone will be prosecuted unless there is serious injury or death, but there isn't a guarantee. It *is* wise to be aware of the risks, and if someone plays with a large number of people, whether or not they accept money for it, they would probably be wise to consult a lawyer to minimise their legal risks. When I go see a new doctor, I am open with them about my interest in S/M, and let them know that if they see bruising or other physical marks at some point, that they are consensual. I feel that not informing them up-front makes it much more likely that they would jump to the conclusion that I was protecting my partner and was actually the victim of domestic violence, if something wound up leaving a scar, or I had to have a doctor's visit unexpectedly or in an emergency situation (whether or not it was related to my play). I asked my submissive playpartner if she was open with her doctor about it as well, before I started playing with her.




lobodomslavery -> RE: Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 10:25:24 AM)

No that was a suggested theory not an answer in itself. And anyway the forum is not about me . It is about EVERYBODY
kevin




lobodomslavery -> RE: Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 10:27:08 AM)

Are you concerned about legal issues then Miss Asylum. Like i say it shouldnt be an issue. If a male sub consents , to me You nor any Domme cant be prosecuted
kevin




MissAsylum -> RE: Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 10:58:23 AM)

Nope. Not one bit.




Jeffff -> RE: Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 11:00:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Are you concerned about legal issues then Miss Asylum. Like i say it shouldnt be an issue. If a male sub consents , to me You nor any Domme cant be prosecuted
kevin




You nor anyone else can consent to assualt.It is not possible.





lobodomslavery -> RE: Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 11:00:19 AM)

Thats good. And im glad. Someone as young as You should not be that cynical about the world. And your not. Wonderful
kevin




lobodomslavery -> RE: Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 11:01:38 AM)

Well it depends on the level im sure GBH is out, but we are not talking GBH with S and M or are we
kevin




marshalp -> RE: Why would Dommes be interested in getting legal advice on their trade? (5/10/2010 11:08:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

If a male sub consents , to me You nor any Domme cant be prosecuted
kevin




I believe there are cases when this might not be true, especially if the injury (or sign of) is mistaken for sign of domestic violence. As i always say, when in doube, confirm. So, in my opinion, there is nothing wrong in seeking legal advice regarding the lifestyle. Our local group/club had a class on BDSM and it's legal implications. It helps to know yuor rights, the local laws & what to do if there are legal issues.






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