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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/1/2010 6:28:41 PM   
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I deny neither of those things. In fact i don't understand people that say to believe in one is to deny the other, but i have to say that your definition of rain is not my definition. In fact, i'm not sure we are even on the same planet where it is raining. Your rain may be water, and mine may be methane. But the creator of the rain is big enough to allow for differences in chemistry for the two of us.


and how can you be a little bit redeemed? Isn't that like being a little bit pregnant?

One thing we haven't established is what happens after death. Do you believe you go to heaven i.e. another plane of existance where you reap rich rewards for what you did on earth - as long as your parents didn't circumcise you? And do you belong to an organised religion? I'm trying to get a handle on your religious beliefs.
They seem to be a little wild and wacky, but interesting.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/1/2010 6:34:23 PM   
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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/1/2010 9:42:18 PM   
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Seriously tazz get a freaking life. I wasnt implying I wrote it. You and Pahunk belong together. Birds of a feather in lameness and annoyingnance. Is that the best either of you have? Dont you need to go clean something? Maybe step outside and suck in some fresh air?



you are busted and too stupid to realize it. btw, you really should be watching what you post. plagerism, TOS violations, venomous attacks... you are gonna step on the wrong side soon.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/2/2010 4:04:59 AM   
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and how can you be a little bit redeemed? Isn't that like being a little bit pregnant?

The potential damage done by parents to the gene pool is equal to the fraction of their children that continue the practice of circumcision. So the larger the fraction of their children is that repent and that determine that the practice of circumcision must stop, the more their parents and their population are redeemed evolutionarily.

As for partial spiritual redemption of the parents by the actions of their offspring, I do know nothing about that. It seems to me that the parents themselves as an individual responsibility must repent to garner spiritual redemption to at least some degree.

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One thing we haven't established is what happens after death. Do you believe you go to heaven i.e. another plane of existence where you reap rich rewards for what you did on earth

'Outside' our universe there is only the Nothingness of the Divine; there is not even empty space as we know it in our universe. So there is no spiritual heaven there, only data storage.
I have concluded that there is one other universe, but as that is the inverse of our universe, I strongly doubt that it is spiritual heaven.

Physical heaven is no longer accessible to us since a couple of centuries. There was not sufficient capacity in it to process more than a small portion of humanity anyway, I suspect.

Thus I can only speculate and necessarily must extrapolate from mythology and science to the spirit. As on Earth and in mythology, so spiritually.

As for science, we have observed that the universe is thrifty: everything is recycled. So it is reasonable to extrapolate that the mind also is recycled. Everything also is composed of components, and the mind most certainly does is composed of components, and recycled components do not necessarily end up with the same destination.

If recycled, there is only one known destination: the organisms - perhaps even the inanimate objects - in our universe, anywhere in time. That gives us the cycle of life reincarnations of the Buddhists.

According to the ancient Egyptians the souls of bad people were after their death devoured by a supernatural beast that comes out of the desert, which represents complete annihilation. So that might be the fate of defective components of the mind; it stands to reason to throw away defective components. (Mind that there is a difference between bad and defective.)

We also know that the pagan gods judged the dead. This also must be extrapolated to the Divine. Accordingly, if components of the mind are recycled anywhere in time and space to any kind of species, then there is a large spectrum for reward and punishment, varying from being born as a school of shrimp in the Palaeozoic to being reborn as a superintelligent being on the other side of the galaxy.

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where you reap rich rewards for what you did on earth - as long as your parents didn't circumcise you?

I do not think that circumcised people are necessarily damned, but there is such a thing as poetic justice and that might be applied if and when the components of their minds are recycled.

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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12
And do you belong to an organised religion? I'm trying to get a handle on your religious beliefs.

I am an atheist with an open mind who happened to serendipitously discover the Divine 'outside' our universe, as well as becoming a bit spiritually aware.

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They seem to be a little wild and wacky, but interesting.

Thank you.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/2/2010 5:30:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Seriously tazz get a freaking life. I wasnt implying I wrote it. You and Pahunk belong together. Birds of a feather in lameness and annoyingnance. Is that the best either of you have? Dont you need to go clean something? Maybe step outside and suck in some fresh air?



you are busted and too stupid to realize it. btw, you really should be watching what you post. plagerism, TOS violations, venomous attacks... you are gonna step on the wrong side soon.



..tho she is right- about us being together.   Tazz has manners.   So not the slam that one might think.

and correct- per the TOS.    But then you knew that, right?

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/2/2010 6:19:19 AM   
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Seriously tazz get a freaking life. I wasnt implying I wrote it.


Yeah you were and plagerism isn't cool.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/2/2010 6:20:46 AM   
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I never said people should forego safe-sex just because the male is circumcised or that hygiene isn't as necessary for everyone, male, female, circumcised or not.  I did not even imply that.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
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ORIGINAL: eyesopened
If a parent decides against circumcism, they should make sure their son gets the HPV vaccine.

If a parent decides against circumcision! Wtf.......Of course everyone should get vaccinated against HPV, circumcision isn't some magic shield that stops the need for reliable methods of STD prevention....here in the first world we have more reliable methods of preventing STDs, the idea that you'd decline vaccination in favor of circumcision, seriously what the fuck!



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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/2/2010 6:24:52 AM   
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I never once attributed any of those points to you.


Ahem

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Yet you each will tear the other group apart, demean them and yourself, all in the name of what both groups hold dear.

Gotta love men!


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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/2/2010 6:31:57 AM   
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I am an atheist with an open mind who happened to serendipitously discover the Divine 'outside' our universe, as well as becoming a bit spiritually aware.


Really, so all your posts referring to blasphemy and god were just the ramblings of a guy with no beliefs.

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Sexually transmitted diseases are a blessing for the human race, given to us by one of the mighty pagan gods - and thus by the his will facilitating Divine. All those who circumcise or with a circumcised penis, oppose this god's will and thus blaspheme; they ought to be dead.


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Saint Paul said that one can be a Christian even without foreskin, but that it is better not to circumcise.

I call on you all to stop the practice of circumcision. May the God of the Dead reward you for doing so.


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Also forgive those who mutilated you and who robbed you of your destiny and who made you into a blasphemer. Just stop the practice of circumcision and have faith that the God of the Dead will judge you according to your merits.


And you wonder why no one takes your posts seriously?


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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/2/2010 6:42:57 AM   
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My concern regarding HPV is that it seems people who are against circumcision are also against vaccinations and those two factors could increase the risk of cervical cancer in women. 

I think you'll have a much better chance of convincing those people to take a vaccine than to have part of their genetalia removed, don't you?


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Yes, there is now a vaccine.  The vaccine was only made available 2 years ago. 

So why are you STILL promoting circumcision to prevent HPV?

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/2/2010 6:44:45 AM   
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I never said people should forego safe-sex just because the male is circumcised or that hygiene isn't as necessary for everyone, male, female, circumcised or not.  I did not even imply that.
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quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesopened
If a parent decides against circumcism, they should make sure their son gets the HPV vaccine.
If a parent decides against circumcision! Wtf.......Of course everyone should get vaccinated against HPV, circumcision isn't some magic shield that stops the need for reliable methods of STD prevention....here in the first world we have more reliable methods of preventing STDs, the idea that you'd decline vaccination in favor of circumcision, seriously what the fuck!

You really are reaching.  Where in the above quote do I say safe sex and hygiene isn't necessary?  I said that if a parent decides against circumcism they should make sure their sons get vaccinated, (not that circumcised boys do not need to be vaccinated as well) because of the corrolation of anti-circumcism and anti-vaccinations attitudes.
 
But since it is so fucking important that you be right and I be wrong and since you have had a lot more up-close and personal experience with obviously way more penises than I have....
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I'd heard that chicks dig scars but that's a little ridiculous.
   I will defer to your expertise.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/2/2010 6:45:54 AM   
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I have given the medical reasons i had my son circumcised.

I'm a bit skeptical of this considering you've previously mentioned that your son is 24 and all the medical evidence that's been brought up in this thread is considerably newer.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/2/2010 7:11:28 AM   
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Seriously tazz get a freaking life. I wasnt implying I wrote it.


Yeah you were and plagerism isn't cool.


No I wasnt.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/2/2010 7:24:24 AM   
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you are busted and too stupid to realize it. btw, you really should be watching what you post. plagerism, TOS violations, venomous attacks... you are gonna step on the wrong side soon.


It was an honest mistake, I had no intent of that looking like I wrote it. Whether you believe me I could care less.

You remind me of the fat ugly girl wearing all the wrong clothes in the school yard at recess getting in peoples faces telling them how they are going to get in trouble when the teacher finds out. Annoying, unwelcome, fat ugly.

You need to do a litmus test on your own venom.


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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/2/2010 7:35:46 AM   
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One thing we haven't established is what happens after death. Do you believe you go to heaven i.e. another plane of existence where you reap rich rewards for what you did on earth



'Outside' our universe there is only the Nothingness of the Divine; there is not even empty space as we know it in our universe. So there is no spiritual heaven there, only data storage.
I have concluded that there is one other universe, but as that is the inverse of our universe, I strongly doubt that it is spiritual heaven



How exactly did your self-described super genius brain determine that?

Or is that another one of those secrets that you could tell us but you would have to kill us after?

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/2/2010 7:35:56 AM   
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Oh PULease.


We could ask RIAA what their thoughts are on thrashing the fair use standard.   

Heart- calling Tazz fat is un-called for.

Follow fair use and your posting status improves.   Anything less then that is sour grapes.

I believe it was an honest mistake on your part.  But your hostility is not winning any friends, and particularly  since fair use a pretty basic in 2010.



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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/2/2010 7:39:10 AM   
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The topic is circumcision... and the tone is courteous.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/2/2010 9:10:19 AM   
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so all your posts referring to blasphemy and god were just the ramblings of a guy

My posts about these subjects most definitely are not ramblings. They are the truths that I have to offer.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
a guy with no beliefs.

So what? One does not have to have belief in order to get wet in the rain. Someone without belief will also get wet in the rain. As far as information, truth and knowledge is concerned, they are independent from whatever persuasion a person is. A fish is a fish is a fish, whatever the religious persuasion or absence thereof is of the person who catches that fish.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
quote:

Sexually transmitted diseases are a blessing for the human race, given to us by one of the mighty pagan gods - and thus by the his will facilitating Divine. All those who circumcise or with a circumcised penis, oppose this god's will and thus blaspheme; they ought to be dead.


quote:

Saint Paul said that one can be a Christian even without foreskin, but that it is better not to circumcise.

I call on you all to stop the practice of circumcision. May the God of the Dead reward you for doing so.


quote:

Also forgive those who mutilated you and who robbed you of your destiny and who made you into a blasphemer. Just stop the practice of circumcision and have faith that the God of the Dead will judge you according to your merits.

Thank you for collecting these my statements. Well done.

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And you wonder why no one takes your posts seriously?

No, I most certainly do not wonder about that. Nor do I care. Whether one benefits from what I say or choses ignorance is the personal responsibility solely of each individual.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/2/2010 7:46:08 PM   
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Phimosis affects about one in twenty uncircumcised men.. far more than 15%.


I don't know where you are getting your number of 1 in 20 (which, by the way for you math challenged - is only FIVE percent).

The National Institute of Health did a study in 1999 which showed this:

AbstractOBJECTIVE: To establish the incidence of pathological phimosis in boys. PATIENTS AND METHODS: A 2-year review of circumcisions was performed for phimosis among a known population of boys, with the histological findings of the circumcision specimens assessed. RESULTS: Sixty-two boys (all but one aged 5-14 years) had typical pathological (cicatrizing) phimosis and among the 51 circumcision specimens examined histologically, 43 (84%) showed appearances of balanitis xerotica obliterans. During the same period, 30 boys were circumcised for developmental unretractability of the foreskin ('physiological phimosis'). CONCLUSIONS: The incidence of pathological phimosis in boys was 0.4 cases/1000 boys per year, or 0. 6% of boys affected by their 15th birthday, a value lower than previous estimates and exceeded more than eight-fold by the proportion of English boys currently circumcised for 'phimosis'.
And here's the link:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10444134

So where is your number coming from?

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 6/2/2010 9:00:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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Yet you each will tear the other group apart, demean them and yourself, all in the name of what both groups hold dear.

  Apparently, you have a very different perception of my posts than I do.....or you're just feeling melodramatic.



This was a partial quote of what i said. The full quote is as follows.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~grins

This is what i love about such discussions. You, as an uncircumcised male, have no clue what its like to be circumcised. And a circumcised male has no clue what its like to be uncircumcised. Yet you each will tear the other group apart, demean them and yourself, all in the name of what both groups hold dear.

Gotta love men!


This is what you posted...

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
I never once attributed any of those points to you.


Ahem

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Yet you each will tear the other group apart, demean them and yourself, all in the name of what both groups hold dear.

Gotta love men!




Yet, you seem to have misread my post. The "you" is the group, not you specifically. If you see yourself within a group, then its where you fit in. The you i made reference to was a group of men who are circumcised, and a group of men who arent. Since you are not, then you fit into one of the groups. If you wish to take that personally, then do so. I meant it in the context of a group of men, not one singularly.


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