SocratesNot
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My theory about D/s is partially flawed because, among other things, it does not include natural submissives.
Jeff explained me that Carol has a naturally submissive personality and looks at the entire world submissively.
Also he expressed his strong desire to OWN a female.
I understand that I can't actually understand how deep these feelings and relationships can be.
But I believe that they can be very deep and fulfilling.
Being someone's property can induce beautiful feelings of being needed, loved and cherished, being taken care about, and
controlled. Also it can induce pleasures of actually pleasing the Master and feeling great about yourself because you are perfect
for your master. Also, there are feelings of belonging.
Most of what I wrote is based on Jeff's description of Carol and my understanding of it.
However, another poster, namely WinsomeDefience, whom I considered to be a natural submissive, and who is
actually a switch, told me about her "visceral experience and weeping" when she was told that she will not be called by her name anymore.
She actually said this:
quote:
I wept when I was told I would no longer be called Charlote, and was given a new name. Not a boohoo is me weeping, but a soul wrenching, heartbroken expression of my perceived loss of identity. I hated the name and the very concept of being renamed. Before I experienced the unexpected visceral reaction, I would have scoffed at anyone who said they cried over something so "silly."
I also have a visceral and not positive reaction about this.
I would like to ask some questions about TPE.
I also have a visceral reaction about words "slave" and "property".
D/s is OK, being someone submissive is OK, kinky scenes are OK, hard beatings are OK as long as there is no permanent harm.
But, can someone honestly tell me, can being a literal "slave" and "property" without personal identity actually be healthy for anyone?
I am not concerned about physical aspects of this, because in many TPE relationships there isn't very much sadomasochistic elements at all.
What worries me are psychological risks of that.
The word "slave", no matter how erotic it can be, is an ugly word for me. It has so many negative connotations, that I can not like it.
The same thing I feel about the word "property".
When something is your property you have all the rights to use it and abuse it in any ways, and also to destroy it.
Using the word "property" to describe a human being does not feel good for me.
But the words are not important. What is important are the feelings of mutual fulfillment that Masters and slaves have in such relationships.
I am mainly talking about maledom relationships now, but some things can apply to femdom relationships as well.
That being said LNT said, that she is SURE that her primary submissive partner would kill himself if she wanted this.
Can it be in any way healthy? She said that being loyal to her is more important to her partner than being alive.
Really, can this be healthy?
People keep telling me that slaves have no issues with self esteem whatsoever, or even if they have it, not more than anyone else.
However, I am really puzzled with someone being willing to takes his life in order to please the Domme. If he values his life so little, how can he value himself?
My logic tells me that such person actually values himself and his entire life less than just one aspect of the Domme, and this is her pleasure.
For him it is better to be dead and have pleased Mistress, than to be alive, both he and his Mistress, while she is not so pleased.
But still, if someone is really a slave, internally enslaved, owned and deprived of personal identity, how dependent she becomes on her Master?
What happens if Master dies? This is very likely to happen for two reasons:
first, women live longer
second, Master is usually quite older than slave.
I have read the thread about a woman unable to orgasm on her own after leaving M/s relationship, because she needed permission.
When the Master release her or dies, how much of personal strength, power, identity and ability to cope has really remained in slave?
In my opinion the biggest problem with internal enslavement is that slaves become too dependent on their masters.
So if Master owns WHOLE slave (which Jeff said that this is his goal) how much of her being is left to her?
Would her life have any sense at all if the Master died or left her?
I tend to believe that in order to be healthy every person must have some personal strength within.
That's why I am extremely afraid of relationships such as TPE or internal enslavement, despite all of its positive sides.
Could someone enlighten me about this very hard topic?
I really DON'T KNOW THE FUCK ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS SO DON'T BE OFFENDED BY THE QUESTIONS OF THIS IGNORANT ASSHOLE.
Instead if someone is willing to REALLY enlighten me I would appreciate it very, very, very much.
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