RE: "Community Organizers."

Join Our Community

Collarchat.com

Home Login Search

RE: "Community Organizers."

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: "Community Organizers."

Page: << < prev 7 8 9 [10] 11 next > >>

Login

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/5/2010 1:04:17 PM

ThatDamnedPanda

Posts: 6060
Joined: 1/26/2009
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Ive been a community organizer of one kind or another since I was 30..I didnt respond to Popeye, because of his attitude and obvious disdain to actually aquire knowledge...fuck that who needs bullshit from him or anyone .

Same here. I was a community organizer for 8 years for an inner-city non-profit neighborhood community organization, and it was probably the best 8 years of my life in every respect. I just had to move on, because it didn't pay well enough, and I could no longer justify working so hard for so little. I could have answered any questions he had, and would have been quite happy to do so, if he'd asked them in anything close to a sincere, respectful manner. "Hey, you lazy, corrupt queers, where do you get the money you use to bribe poor people to show up at protest rallies?" is not going to get a civil response from. To that, I'm going to respond in kind, and with considerable enthusiasm.

_____________________________

Panda, panda, burning bright
In the forest of the night
What immortal hand or eye
Made you all black and white and roly-poly like that?

(in reply to Lucylastic)

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/5/2010 1:10:50 PM

Posts: 18104
Joined: 1/27/2006
From: New Hampshire
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

You call popeye a "racist" for voicing valid concerns and issues to the forums, because you are more interested in being "right" than you are in actually growing and providing the type of society you claim to wish to bring into existence.

What utter hypocrites you are.

Firm

Speaking for myself. I called Popeyes post homopobic and bigotted. This may suprise you, but I didnt see it as some joke about rednecks.

I did take the OP to be about black people, partly due to previous comments where Popeye has made barely concealed racist comments, such as saying Obama`s Auntys name sounded Muslim, or that Obama was a closet Muslim. Or the constant use of the term ragheads.

So please spare me the nonsense about "liberals" and the chance to educate. As for "superior moral rectitude" pot kettle and black spring to mind, considering your post.

I used the term "Poor Neighborhoods" and you thought I was talking about black people.
That's barely concealed racism.
"Poor neighborhoods" was the set up for "community organizers" not for a discussion on race. What differance would someone's race make in a poor neighborhood if you were a community organizer? You guys "jumped the gun."
Not all blacks live in "poor neighborhoods!"
Perhaps Panda could explain that to you even if he does have the clenched fist of political correctness buried firmly up his arse!

< Message edited by popeye1250 -- 6/5/2010 1:29:46 PM >

_____________________________

"But Your Honor, this is not a Jury of my Peers, these people are all decent, honest, law-abiding citizens!"

(in reply to Politesub53)

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/5/2010 1:27:18 PM

Posts: 14862
Joined: 5/7/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I used the term "Poor Neighborhoods" and you thought I was talking about black people.
That's barely concealed racism.
"Poor neighborhoods" was the set up for "community organizers" not for a discussion on race. What differance would someone's race make in a poor neighborhood if you were a community organizer? You guys "jumped the gun."

Your right, I thats exactly how I took your comments, I have said that already. Correct me if I am wrong though, all of Firms examples of community organisers are black people, so it wasnt much of a leap to assume you were thinking along those lines. More so with a few of your past comments about Muslims.

I didnt post until you followed up with the joke which I thought was homophobic. You may think otherwise but I am entitled to call it as I see it.

(in reply to popeye1250)

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/5/2010 3:00:36 PM

Posts: 8948
Joined: 9/21/2004
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Correct me if I am wrong though, all of Firms examples of community organisers are black people, so it wasnt much of a leap to assume you were thinking along those lines.

What examples? MLK and Alinsky?

FR:

To the others who posted, especially the ones who took offense at popeye:

You seem to be of the opinion that the only right way to change things is to destroy, belittle, insult and marginalize others who may not think exactly as you do, who may not see things exactly as you do.

Do you not see any other way? Especially any other more moral way? Are you as caught up in "codewords" and "hidden agendas" as the conspiracy theorists are caught up with the Illuminati and the Bilderbergs? As numerologists are with the occult power of numbers?

I though "liberalism" and "progressivism" was about being both compassionate and understanding about other cultures and other ways of thought. If so, then the practice you obtain about being "so understanding" should teach you that even if you don't agree with someone else, always directly and personally attacking them for their views doesn't produces any epiphanies of thought or understanding. It just convinces them that they must have hit the mark, and that you are being defensive and as unreasonable as any true believer when their basic concepts are challenged.

Rather than attacking, and confirming their very beliefs that you think are wrong, why not take that moral high ground that you so piously claim belongs to you, and show both forbearance and understanding?

That is the type of "community organizing" that would convince me. That is the type of "community organizing" that MLK Jr, and Gandhi practiced, isn't it?

Firm

_____________________________

Some people are just idiots.

(in reply to Politesub53)

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/5/2010 3:32:00 PM

Posts: 40310
Status: offline

Thats what overthinking does for you I suppose....
I am not explaining what is important to me when it is met with ignorance,and I am a teacher too so its not that I cant..I just know when I will be wasting my time.

_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to FirmhandKY)

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/5/2010 4:14:51 PM

ThatDamnedPanda

Posts: 6060
Joined: 1/26/2009
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

To the others who posted, especially the ones who took offense at popeye:

You seem to be of the opinion that the only right way to change things is to destroy, belittle, insult and marginalize others who may not think exactly as you do, who may not see things exactly as you do.

I'm confused. You're apparently referring to the OP, then, right?

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Rather than attacking, and confirming their very beliefs that you think are wrong, why not take that moral high ground that you so piously claim belongs to you, and show both forbearance and understanding?

So your argument is that because the OP was an insulting, bigoted, condescending asshole right from the starting bell, we're morally inferior for not ignoring that and rising above it? We lose because we didn't turn the other cheek? And you're really going to try to pretend that makes some sort of sense to you?

Seriously?

You disappoint me, Firm. I've seen much better trolls from you than this one. You should have just stayed out of the thread if you couldn't bring anything better than this.

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
That is the type of "community organizing" that would convince me.

Bullshit. The only things that informs you are your own biases, prejudices, and preconceptions.

_____________________________

Panda, panda, burning bright
In the forest of the night
What immortal hand or eye
Made you all black and white and roly-poly like that?

(in reply to FirmhandKY)

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/5/2010 4:16:34 PM

Posts: 18104
Joined: 1/27/2006
From: New Hampshire
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

But you're a moderate Independent Popeye, as you keep telling us.

Doesn't that mean your beliefs are across the political spectrum with no one influencing you and no one you are firmly against?

Rule, and exactly how many times do I have to say that before you believe me?
***I want to see the Democrats AND Republicans BOTH go out of business!***
Does it bother you that much that you can't label me as a "conservative?" That I hated George Bush? That I'm "for" gay marriage, legalizing marijuana. a woman's choice, enforcing our immigration laws, an end to foreign aid, for national healthcare, and a bunch of other things that wouldn't get me any invites to GOP picnics? I wouldn't be invited to any Dem picnics either. And that's the way I like it! How's that for across the political spectrum?
Is there someone that "the left" has to check with first to see if they can support a position? To get "permission?"
There's more than only "two" ways of thinking! Just ask Thompson. He and I may not agree many times and throw shots at each other on occaision but he doesn't seem to be "limited" or hobbled in his thinking by politics. I consider him to be an Independant thinker too.
And then, we have.......... "the left." There's only *ONE* way of thinking for them! And then they wonder why people make jokes about them and tin foil hats?

< Message edited by popeye1250 -- 6/5/2010 4:34:07 PM >

_____________________________

"But Your Honor, this is not a Jury of my Peers, these people are all decent, honest, law-abiding citizens!"

(in reply to rulemylife)

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/5/2010 4:24:49 PM

Posts: 261
Joined: 3/22/2009
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Finally! Nine fuckin' pages! The the Helen Thomas loving left had their minds made up as soon as they saw the O.P.

* * * *

You can work with liberals but you cannot work with leftists.

Seriously? I'm as far left as they come, and my first reaction (posted) was "that's a dipshit thing to say" because that's what it was. That said, you really do have to distinguish between anti-semitism and anti-zionism.

< Message edited by realcoolhand -- 6/5/2010 4:29:56 PM >

(in reply to popeye1250)

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/5/2010 4:26:40 PM

Posts: 1103
Joined: 7/26/2008
From: the darkest recesses of your twisted minds
Status: offline

For those who do not know, or do not remember, please trim your quotes.

If your quote is larger than your own post, your comment risks deletion.

(in reply to realcoolhand)

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/5/2010 5:14:05 PM

Posts: 18104
Joined: 1/27/2006
From: New Hampshire
Status: offline

Ok, I'm off for a bit to get my weekly dose of "multi-culturalism" by watching "COPS" and "AMERICAS' MOST WANTED."
"May be in Mexico!" "May be in Mexico!" "May be in Mexico!"

_____________________________

"But Your Honor, this is not a Jury of my Peers, these people are all decent, honest, law-abiding citizens!"

(in reply to VideoAdminZeta)

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/5/2010 5:20:50 PM

Posts: 14862
Joined: 5/7/2007
Status: offline

Bad boy, bad boy.

(in reply to popeye1250)

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/5/2010 6:48:42 PM

Posts: 8948
Joined: 9/21/2004
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Rather than attacking, and confirming their very beliefs that you think are wrong, why not take that moral high ground that you so piously claim belongs to you, and show both forbearance and understanding?

So your argument is that because the OP was an insulting, bigoted, condescending asshole right from the starting bell, we're morally inferior for not ignoring that and rising above it? We lose because we didn't turn the other cheek? And you're really going to try to pretend that makes some sort of sense to you?

I'm saying that you and the others are no better than he is, and are likely worse in your own self-deception.

Every insult and negative description that is thrown at popeye comes right back to condemn the thrower.

You have no moral high ground, yet claim it with a furiosity that puts a lie to those very claims.

Firm

_____________________________

Some people are just idiots.

(in reply to ThatDamnedPanda)

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/5/2010 7:42:03 PM

ThatDamnedPanda

Posts: 6060
Joined: 1/26/2009
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Rather than attacking, and confirming their very beliefs that you think are wrong, why not take that moral high ground that you so piously claim belongs to you, and show both forbearance and understanding?

So your argument is that because the OP was an insulting, bigoted, condescending asshole right from the starting bell, we're morally inferior for not ignoring that and rising above it? We lose because we didn't turn the other cheek? And you're really going to try to pretend that makes some sort of sense to you?

I'm saying that you and the others are no better than he is, and are likely worse in your own self-deception.

Every insult and negative description that is thrown at popeye comes right back to condemn the thrower.

You have no moral high ground, yet claim it with a furiosity that puts a lie to those very claims.

Right. Got it. Because we called him on his offensive remarks, instead of doing the decent thing and ignoring them, we have disgraced ourselves and shown ourselves to be worse than he is. Very good.

I have to say it again, Firm; I'm disappointed. You're slipping. You used to be much more adept at these bizarre rhetorical convolutions. You feeling OK?

_____________________________

Panda, panda, burning bright
In the forest of the night
What immortal hand or eye
Made you all black and white and roly-poly like that?

(in reply to FirmhandKY)

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/5/2010 9:54:47 PM

Posts: 18104
Joined: 1/27/2006
From: New Hampshire
Status: offline

"He who protestith the loudest..."

_____________________________

"But Your Honor, this is not a Jury of my Peers, these people are all decent, honest, law-abiding citizens!"

(in reply to ThatDamnedPanda)

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/6/2010 1:25:17 AM

ThatDamnedPanda

Posts: 6060
Joined: 1/26/2009
Status: offline

Hey! Aren't you watching "Cops?"

_____________________________

Panda, panda, burning bright
In the forest of the night
What immortal hand or eye
Made you all black and white and roly-poly like that?

(in reply to popeye1250)

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/6/2010 2:24:10 AM

Posts: 200
Joined: 4/9/2010
Status: offline

So, let me see if I understand you right, Popeye.

All the stats show that the same percentage of white people use drugs as black people, but the police go to black neighborhoods because that is where all the drugs are used. Is that what you are saying? Because that is what I read.

By your logic, and the logic of the Beckerheads and Limpballians (Oh, yes, I know you aren't really a right-winger, because you support queers getting a marriage certificate), 6 out of evey hundred people use drugs. 6 whites out of every hundred, and 6 blacks out of every hundred. Pretty even, yes? But (I'll try and make this real simple, but I can only dumb it down so far; at some point, you have to actually engage your brain, and understand that blacks are not 20% of the population, but only about 12%)) there are 4 white people using drugs for every black person using drugs. Are you with me? Four times as many whites use drugs as blacks.

That means that there should be 4 times as many white people in jail as black people. Right? If cops were arresting people in proportion to their drug use, that means that 100 whites should be in jail for every 25 blacks.

But, oddly enough, that just isn't the case. In fact, there are about 200 blacks in jail for every 100 whites. How can this be? You make the moronic assertion that cops go where drugs are used, to arrest people. But if the cops actually did that, there would be 100 whites in jail for every 25 blacks. But there are 200 blacks for every 100 whites.

Do you think that this is because the cops go almost exclusively to black neighborhoods, and ignore the white drug users? OH no, you say (or likely will, knowing how you think), the cops aren't racist! Well, then, why are there so many more blacks in jail, when so many more whites than blacks use drugs? Oh, I know, it must be some kind of coincidence. Black people just wander around with needles stuck in their arms, while white people shoot up in their bathrooms. Yeah, that must be it. And young black males smoke huge spliffies in their Rap Clubs while young white kids sip chardonnay and listen to Steely Dan at the country club.

O kmow what it is. How could I miss this? I have personally sat in drug courts and watched "justice" being done. I just figured this out. Those stupid black punks show up in court wearing baggy pants and tons of Nigra Bling shit around their necks. They can't even get a PD to take their cases! And if they do get a PD, well, he's just back from a three-wine-bottle and 2-gram-coke lunch. He's thinikin' about getting him some pussy, or dick, that night. The white kids are taken aside and lectured by the judge what to wear, and how to address the court, and who the best (read: favorite golf partners of the judge) lawyers are.
"Yes, Counselor, I can see that 200 pounds of Marijuana is for your client's personal use. 10 hours of community service, (sotto voce:...and he'd better not lose a single golf ball.) Next!"
"Willie Washington, you are accused of possessing 37 milligrams of marijuana,an extremely dangerous drug which is infiltrating our schools and getting our kids hooked on drugs! How do you plead?"
"Your Honor..." Willie stammers... (Willie's Public Defender breaks in here)
"Your Honor, Mr. Washington is sorry that drugs are being sold to elemetary school children, and he promises he will never do it again if your honor will allow his mother to forfeit her house as collateral and let Mr. Washington serve 10 years plus time served, which is only half of what the "Three strikes" Law (against blacks) allows. Mr. Washington has remorse for possessing 47 grams of Marijuana within 2 miles of an elementary school. He begs the mercy of the court."
"Very well. Ten Years Plus time served, and Mrs. Washington will deed her house to the city. Next!"

And anyone who doesn't think shit happens like this is a complete fucking idiot.

(in reply to ThatDamnedPanda)

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/6/2010 11:10:59 AM

Posts: 18104
Joined: 1/27/2006
From: New Hampshire
Status: offline

Dubble, don't you think the problem is like,.....DRUGS?

_____________________________

"But Your Honor, this is not a Jury of my Peers, these people are all decent, honest, law-abiding citizens!"

(in reply to Dubbelganger)

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/6/2010 12:37:05 PM

Posts: 3032
Joined: 4/10/2007
From: Kentucky
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dubbelganger

That means that there should be 4 times as many white people in jail as black people. Right?

In fact, there are about 200 blacks in jail for every 100 whites.

1. When you throw around statistics like this, kindly provide some kind of link to back up your claims.

2. Your use of statistics (and I use that term loosely because they are unverified) in this post leads one to believe that you are assuming that the prison population consists of only drug offenders. Among the types of offenses tracked by the Federal Bureau of Prisons, drugs only account for 51%.

3. Your "statistics" are incorrect, anyway.

As of April 2010, the US prison population consisted of approximately 122,000 whites and 81,000 blacks. That is not "200 blacks for every 100 whites". Not even close.

< Message edited by TreasureKY -- 6/6/2010 12:38:40 PM >

(in reply to Dubbelganger)

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/6/2010 12:44:11 PM

Posts: 18104
Joined: 1/27/2006
From: New Hampshire
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

Hey! Aren't you watching "Cops?"

Panda, does it hurt when you sit down?

_____________________________

"But Your Honor, this is not a Jury of my Peers, these people are all decent, honest, law-abiding citizens!"

(in reply to ThatDamnedPanda)

RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/6/2010 6:45:19 PM

Posts: 5871
Joined: 2/19/2008
Status: offline

I know I've been gone a couple of days but can anyone explain to me how the last few pages have anything to do with the topic?

(in reply to popeye1250)

Page: << < prev 7 8 9 [10] 11 next > >>

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: "Community Organizers."

Page: << < prev 7 8 9 [10] 11 next > >>

Jump to:

New Messages	No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages	Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages	Locked w/o New Messages

Post New Thread

Reply to Message

Post New Poll

Submit Vote

Delete My Own Post

Delete My Own Thread

Rate Posts

Collarchat.com © 2024

Terms of Service

0.352