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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/3/2010 11:01:58 AM   
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You seem to be fixated on certain aspects before they have happened and how to fix it all and are getting stuck in the I can't's, this won't work, I can't afford this, I can't do that


There's been a whole bunch of us that have been telling her this for years now. Unfortunately, I don't think she has actually heard any of us.

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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/3/2010 11:22:52 AM   
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To the OP
One of my concerns is that because *some* muscle relaxants have primarily an analgesic effect (and admittedly do relieve symptoms... but do very little to actually relax muscles) conceivably you could use them and then hurt yourself even more.
I believe this has already been mentioned in earlier posts.

Since you respect the opinion of your chiropractor, have you actually asked his opinion on your plan?



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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/3/2010 12:27:00 PM   
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OP, did your chiropractor say anything else about what you could do to help yourself? If not, fire him!If he hasn't mentioned things you can do to help yourself besides walking and his turning you every which way, he isn't very good at his job. How are you affording him by the way?


He advised me to walk and take calcium twice a day. He advised me against stretching and other types of exercise. He only recommends walking as a safe form of exercise for me. I went to his office on Tuesday determined to better my situation and asked him to recommend a physician (I thought doctors in different specialties worked together to treat patients). He responded by telling me if I went to an MD they would run tests that would cost alot of money before prescribing anything. At that point I started feeling pretty helpless and you're right, feeling helpless is never a good idea. I am affording him because he only charges $35 per visit.


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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/3/2010 1:02:22 PM   
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Wrong. You are very wrong here. Listen to Angelika. Not all doctors require all the test for a proscription for muscle relaxers. Most can see or feel the tight muscles and spasms. You are wrong.

I was repeating what my chiropractor told me when I asked about seeing an MD. I'm glad to know the information I was given is wrong.



And something that concerns me... twice you have mentioned taking medications and each time you have talked about over using them. Doubling up or taking two medications at the same time. You have all this ass backwards and the way you talk, I wouldn't give you anything to abuse either. The way you are thinking is more a problem than your back issues.


When my dentist prescribed the 350mg hydrocodone and 800mg ibuprofin for tooth pain, he told me one of each pill could be taken together. I didn't take the hydrocodone for my tooth because I didn't need it. The ibuprofin worked fine by itself and I don't like taking narcotics unless I absolutely have to. I didn't take the hydrocodone and ibuprofin together (one pill each per dose) until last Friday when my back went out. A total of 20 hydrocodone pills were prescribed to me on April 8, 2010. It is now June 3, 2010 and I have 17 hydrocodone pills left from that prescription. So a total of 3 pills have been taken. I assure you, there is no cause for concern. I'm looking for a muscle relaxer to take when needed, not to become a narcotic addict.


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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/3/2010 3:03:59 PM   
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Well, the most sane choice to me would seem to go visit a doctor. All on here are very helpful, but please, trust someone who studied a lot of years for these situations, rather than people on the internet. We all do it with the best intent, and I've seen some tips that I would recommend too, but have you consulted a doctor over this, they don't always necessarily take their own xrays, show them the ones from the chiropractor and they might help you find a solution.

I've had a course in University about chronic pain disorders, and what they told us was that "being afraid to move" is the worst thing in situations like these. Even though it may feel good to lie down, it only aggravates things in the long end. Swimming would be the best exercise if you would consider some, since the water is already taking a lot of the weight, which means there's hardly any pressure on your body, and you're horizontal, so there's no danger for your back. But please do notice, I studied to become a psychologist, not a doctor, and any doctor's advice overrides mine.

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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/3/2010 3:51:15 PM   
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I have the perfect solution for you. It is actually damn near a miracle.

But I would have to care, which in this case it is clear that I do not.

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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/3/2010 5:18:24 PM   
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Hi defiant,

I got muscle relaxants once from a drop-in convenient care type place. (Not emergency rooms, or associated with hospitals, but the kind of clinic that caters to strep throat tests and so on.)

I injured my back doing kick-boxing, and I thought I was having kidney issues. The doctor just found a muscle knot and gave me a prescription.

Wonderful drug, I must say. How often are you planning on using the muscle relaxant? "as needed" doesn't really tell us much. Would that be every week? Every month?

I do, however, have some non-drug advice that I swear by, and that's a heating pad. It won't cure curvature of the spine, or "nerve damage", but it will help with spasms. And it costs nearly nothing.

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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/3/2010 5:27:24 PM   
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Oh, I forgot to ask:

How do you afford a chiropractor? It's seems to me to be pretty self-serving (if not malpractice) for your chiropractor not to recommend a doctor, claiming they'll run too many tests.

If you're still in pain, and the services of the chiropractor aren't doing you any good, why are you still going to this person?

I'm actually getting a little creeped out by this thread. I thought you were sincerely asking for advice, but no matter what we suggest, you keep on coming back to the same thing: how do you get cheap muscle relaxants?

Your chiropractor is dead wrong about exercise... look up isometric stomach exercises on the internet. You should be doing these exercises all the time. It doesn't strain the back, and you can do it lying down or sitting.

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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/3/2010 5:40:57 PM   
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defiantbadgirl, I've had a lot of experience with this and have done the whole nine yards with acupuncture, chirpractic, stretching, flexaril and other muscle relaxants, as I have two old lower back fractures (sacrum as wall as coccyx).  Pinched nerves happen, and this causes muscles to spasm and tighten up painfully short and stiff.  The only thing that worked for me (with flexaril, I still spasmed, but...didn't care) was something rather prosaic.

Not a hot water bottle, but a heating pad.  I put a hand towel over it, lie down on it so it hits the small of my back even if I also have to have it resting on a thin pillow.  I alternated between medium and high and fried that muscle until it was soft.  If I got small pink spots from burning a little, they faded within a few hours and I didn't care.  A chiropractor also told me that lying down on a hard surface will help, like a carpeted floor.  Your head can't be propped up high with pillows, but only maybe a thin one, and a small towel rolled up to support the neck.  Back flat to the floor, heels flat to the floor, and knees pointing toward the ceiling.  This helped for my ex-husband too.  I'd also recommend Asprcreme slathered all over your lower back...it helps kill some pain and it's not a counter irritant.  My skin is too sensitive for counter irritants like menthols.

After the muscle has given up the spastic fight, you can gently stretch out your back.  One good one is to remain on the floor, straighten one leg flat to the floor, keep the other knee raised and gently (without any bouncing) curl your lower body only while trying to keep your upper back flat to the floor.  I make my knee almost touch the carpet.  Right knee will curl to the left, and vice versa.  If you do this slowly and enjoy the slow unwinding of the tight muscle, you will sometimes here a pop from your spine, where it had been stuck tight and just loosened up again.  Sometimes you get lucky and that tightness is what was pinching that nerve. 

One of the exercize programs I love is very slow and gentle, and doesn't make you sore...and is okay even for people in their 70's.  For back problems, I eliminate the jogging and hopping in place, and replace it with hour long walks 3 days per week.  The men's side has jumping jacks, which I'd disallow for any man with back problems.  It was printed in a book for families in the RCAF, lol, I love old used bookstores. 

As for abdominal exercizes, if crunches are bad, maybe look into isometric exercize.  You can do tightening and releasing of abdominal muscles even while watching tv, to help pass the time during boring commercials.

I was also told to rest one foot on a 4 or so inch thick hardback book, if I'm standing, and to alternate feet occasionally.  It helped.

Icing the lower back never worked for me, as I wasn't so much trying to prevent swelling as trying to loosen up those rock hard tense muscles.

Another stretching exercize I do is to just lean forward and hang there for a while.  My back muscles loosen up in spurts, and I drop lower and lower to the floor as they take their time loosening up.  Sometimes I hear a thunk in my spine, but...it's all good.  I've never had it be a bad thunk, if you know what I mean. 

Having a small child walk on the upper part of your back can be safe, but not for the lower part at the curve.  Some who have needed some counterpressure have put a 3 inch diameter, not too hard ball into a stocking or something similar, and make the ball be half way inside.  One hand can have control of each side so you can position the ball, then carefully lie back onto a bed and see if you can get any relief.

Chiropractic adjustments have gone better for me when the muscle wasn't spastic, but nice and warm and loose.  I don't like that little hand held clicky some use, but when they move a bent knee, position the leg just so, and push.  The relief is incredible on good days, but on days with no popping, ugh.

A lot more people have some pesky curvature of the spine than we think. 

Oh, one of the remedial exercizes in that RCAF exercize book is the pelvic tilt.  You can probably look that up online if you don't already know how.  Years ago, it helped me a lot.  I had to do this AFTER I'd heated up the muscle and forced it to loosen up.  Doing it while it was tight and spastic only made things worse for me.

Best of luck with this.
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Edited to add that I hate taking any pills.  These were given to me by a family doctor, I spasmed anyway but didn't care, and couldn't even drive my car while on them for that week.  I stopped after a week because all I could do is sit on the couch and almost drool onto my lap.  I was supposed to be on the pills for several weeks, and preferred my own method with the heating pad.  My old one had died and so I bought another one.  The heat has to be high enough that the pain messages stop...and all your nerves can scream at you is I'M HOT!!!!  I do this for hours while I watch a movie or two, and then I get up and do stretching exercizes.

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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/3/2010 5:41:35 PM   
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OP, the best investment I've ever made for my muscle related back pain is one of those huge core conditioning balls. When my pain gets almost unbearable, I lay on the floor and prop my feet and lower legs on the ball, and move the ball in small circles, using just the feet and lower legs. In less than 5 minutes I start having relief.

Best of all, it's completely drug free. If the pain is arthritis related, Aleve works wonders, doesn't make me loopy, and really affordable at less than 7 bucks for 50 caplets.

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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/3/2010 5:50:24 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=back+stretches+to+reduce+lower+back+pain&aq=3

Lots of safe and easy exercises that will stretch out the muscles without damaging you. There's all kinds of physical therapy videos out there, amazingly helpful to follow.

I will say that you need to get a theraband, a stretchy band used in yoga and pilates and sold by many chiropractors. Use it to stretch your hamstrings because tight hamstrings pull on the lower back. I've gotten lax about using mine and I'm in pain. Of course if he didn't think this was a perfect time to start pinching me and stuff, I'd do it more. Using the band wrapped around the ball of your foot, pull your leg up as high as it can go comfortably, then alternate flexing and pointing the foot. Also with the band around the ball of your foot, pull the leg as far to one side as it can go, and then the other. Do ten reps of each of these daily and the back should be feeling a lot better in short order. Keep doing it to prevent the pain from returning.


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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/3/2010 6:05:58 PM   
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Hi defiant,

I got muscle relaxants once from a drop-in convenient care type place. (Not emergency rooms, or associated with hospitals, but the kind of clinic that caters to strep throat tests and so on.)

I injured my back doing kick-boxing, and I thought I was having kidney issues. The doctor just found a muscle knot and gave me a prescription.

Wonderful drug, I must say. How often are you planning on using the muscle relaxant? "as needed" doesn't really tell us much. Would that be every week? Every month?

I do, however, have some non-drug advice that I swear by, and that's a heating pad. It won't cure curvature of the spine, or "nerve damage", but it will help with spasms. And it costs nearly nothing.

January


I will invest in a heating pad. Yes muscle relaxers are wonderful because they work. As for frequency of use, I would use a non-narcotic muscle relaxer when I felt tightness in my lower back to try to prevent pinching a nerve as this is when it happens most of the time. I would only take a narcotic muscle relaxer right after an injury for a couple of days because it makes me sleep day and night, which speeds healing. The one time years ago that I did take a narcotic muscle relaxer, it only took me 2 days to heal and I no longer needed it. I don't take narcotics unless absolutely necessary hence having 17 pills left from a 20 pill prescription I got almost 2 months ago.


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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/3/2010 6:16:51 PM   
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purplepleasure, I wrote that down.  I've never heard of those balls before.  I wonder if I can fake it with some large, children's ball.  This sounds great for when the lower back hurts and aches, to intervene before agony kicks in.

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To the OP, whenever I've gone to a medical doctor over this (I've had whiplash...no fellas, no lawsuit case, as well as an upper back fracture between my shoulder blades) for this spastic pain triggered from pinched nerves from these old injuries, all I've ever been given is muscle relaxants.  At one time, I kept having one side of my neck spasm for weeks, until my shoulder was stuck to my ear and it was agony...all the MD did was give me a neck brace and some muscle relaxants and pain meds.  I went through this off and on for years...until a blessed chiropractor took a neck x-ray and told me that being as straight as a pogo stick was NOT good.  After two adjustments, the problem was gone and has never made a comeback...not even to over 25 years later.  Alternative medicine can fix the problem, not just treat the symptoms.

Acupuncture did nothing for me but make the needles dance while my muscles spasmed.   Also, I had giant welts afterward, like mosquito bites.

Nobody can understand how painful spinal/back problems can be unless they have been in your shoes.  You are in an acute phase right now, and any MD would give you muscle relaxants to get you through this stage, so you can remain employed and able to do something else for long term care.  Find a clinic that uses a sliding scale, and plan to be waiting there all day long, at least 6-8 hours.  Just thinking about that, plus the trip to and from, makes me shudder and grab my heating pad, but this is your body and your judgment call to make.

Long time ago, I ripped out a lot of tendons in my ankle, and when they tore loose, they took bone fragments with them.  I had to go to work and put in a good 14 or more hours, so I stood firm about getting a cast.  The thing they had tried to send me away with instead would not allow me to put any weight on that leg, my job was not a sit down job and I needed to go up and down stairs all day long, pain or no pain.  They wouldn't do it until a specialist consulted and told them to do it, that because of those bone fragments, it WAS technically a fracture.  I didn't lose any work and about 6 weeks later, took half of a day removing the cast all by myself in the living room with a small hand saw and some scissors.  We do what has to be done when it comes to our job.

I bet many here have taken OTK meds to mask having the flu and have gone to work anyway, spreading the germ around to everyone in the office.  It's not fair, but life sucks sometimes.

Again, I wish you the best of luck with this.


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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/3/2010 6:25:44 PM   
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Oh, I forgot to ask:

How do you afford a chiropractor? It's seems to me to be pretty self-serving (if not malpractice) for your chiropractor not to recommend a doctor, claiming they'll run too many tests.

If you're still in pain, and the services of the chiropractor aren't doing you any good, why are you still going to this person?

I'm actually getting a little creeped out by this thread. I thought you were sincerely asking for advice, but no matter what we suggest, you keep on coming back to the same thing: how do you get cheap muscle relaxants?

Your chiropractor is dead wrong about exercise... look up isometric stomach exercises on the internet. You should be doing these exercises all the time. It doesn't strain the back, and you can do it lying down or sitting.

January



I can afford my chiropractor because he only charges $35 per visit. I see him because he has successfully popped my back several times a few days after an injury when my muscles and nerve had calmed down but my back was still out of place. He knows how to do it without injuring me. I don't understand his negativity about me seeing a physician since he was unsuccessful at popping my back at my last visit because my muscles were still too tight. If I had a muscle relaxer to take before going in, he wouldn't have been unsuccessful. It was also pretty discouraging when he told me today that no exercise except walking is safe for me. I hope you and everyone else who has said he is wrong about exercise is right. The only way I will find out for sure is to try. I haven't changed my mind about needing medication for right now until my back is strengthened, but I'm very interested in strengthening my back so eventually I will no longer need medication. I thank everyone who has given me ideas on safe exercises.

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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/3/2010 9:34:12 PM   
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If seriously all you want are muscle relaxers, I have no idea where you live but I know they sell muscle relaxers over the counter in Canada even though they are prescription only in the USA.  There are a handful of drugs that for whatever reason you can buy there but not here. I'd imagine you could do the same in Mexico, but I would trust the Canadian places more obviously.

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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/4/2010 2:21:06 AM   
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There is ONLY one way to obtain muscle relaxers. See a doctor, have them write you a prescription, go to the pharmacy and pay for it. Unless of course you want to wander through some drug infested neighborhoods and see if you can score yourself a fix. I don't know what you are asking for here. Only physicians can prescribe drugs.


Obviously, only doctors can write prescriptions. What is the best way to find out which doctors will insist on doing their own tests that cost hundreds of dollars I can't afford to pay and which doctors will believe what I tell them and write me a prescription? Affordable health insurance plans won't be covering pre-existing conditions for another 4 years and with no health insurance, all I can afford is an office visit and to fill a prescription. It's nearly impossible to get a doctor on the phone, only their secretaries that tell you to make an appointment. I can't afford to pay for 10 office visits just to find a doctor that will believe me or contact my chiropractor and believe him. So how do I find out? If there is no way to find out, will doubling the dose of an over the counter muscle relaxer produce the same results as a prescription muscle relaxer? Until walking strengthens my back over time, I have to do something so I won't lose my job.



I don't know where you got the impression that muscle relaxers aren't addictive. They can be just like anything else.

If your spine is curved, the only thing the chiropractor can do is help when the nerve is pinched. The manipulation often will allow the pinched nerve to come free.

The ONLY responsible thing for you to do is to visit an orthopedic doctor. As I mentioned before, most doctors will not have a problem viewing the previously taken x-rays. This doesn't mean that other tests would not be warranted, such as an MRI. But it does mean that if the curve is visible in the x-ray, an orthopedic doctor will be able to confirm the chiropractor's diagnosis with ease.

Sorry, but you ARE looking for an easy way out. A curved spine can not be fixed by chiropractic care and it is irresponsible of your chiropractor to continue to dissuade you from seeing a regular doctor. Many hospitals offer charity care that comes in a variety of forms, from completely free to the patient paying only a portion based on income.

Muscle relaxers do not do anything for the spine as it is not a muscle. While your muscles are spasming because of the pinched nerve, they aren't likely causing it, and relaxing those muscles don't likely "fix it."

Quite frankly, while I understand you going to the chiropractor because he is affordable, he isn't really doing you any good. I see a chiropractor, as well as an orthopedic surgeon and pain management doctor for the pain in my back. I adore my chiropractor, but one of the reasons is because of the fact that he doesn't ever hesitate to direct me to the type of practioner who is best for my problem, whether it be a orthopedist, accupuncturist or anything else. His consistantly dissuading you from seeing a doctor and telling you that they will want to do all kinds of tests you can't afford (which he is well aware of) is basically a form of malpractice.

I'm sure none of that is what you wanted to hear, but if you aren't willing to find a way to get the proper treatment for your back and prefer to continue to rely on someone who may be doing you more harm than good, it really doesn't make much sense to seek advice that you aren't likely to take.

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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/4/2010 2:55:53 AM   
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My understanding from working in the health field for many years is that many people have minor curvatures of the spine, disc bulges, lordosis etc and manage very well so this may not be the only reason why you are having these symptoms.  As others have mentioned, losing weight is vital as is regular (daily) stretches and exercise.  Swimming, hydrotherapy, pilates and yoga are all great for people with back injuries but ensure a physiotherapist or exercise physiologist sets up the program for you.

It is interesting that the chiropractor is saying that even core strengthening exercises could aggravate your back (I am guessing that is what he was referring to when you said no to tummy exercises?).  I know most orthopaedic surgeons, neurosurgeons and occupational physicians recommend that people keep mobile and pilates, yoga and hydrotherapy as well as walking are all widely recommended.

Muscle relaxants are for the most part addictive and as others have said mask the symptoms and increase the risk of inuring yourself further.

Ask your chiropractor to give you copies of all of the tests and scans and to also write a brief history of your case and treatment to take with you to a doctor.

You seem fixated on obtaining muscle relaxants - seriously, they are not the answer ....and yes I lived with chronic pain for many years and what keeps me relatively pain free and medication free now is regular exercise and stretches.


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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/4/2010 5:21:15 AM   
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okay, i am going to just say this and i am sure many may get all up in arms about it, but your signature line says you are collared, why can't your dom or master pay for your medical care if you can't afford it or help?  

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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/4/2010 1:39:04 PM   
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If you want to do safe situps (standard ones place a hellacious strain on the lumbar region), use an Ab-Mat.  They are fantastic, and are about 35 bucks at Amazon.com.  You might find some on E-bay too.
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Not enough. I am overweight, especially in my abdominal region, but I was told that sit ups and crunches are unsafe for someone with my problem and might result in injury. If I had some prescription muscle relaxers to take as needed when I feel extreme stiffness, I'd be less afraid of injuring myself. Right now I feel like it's a waiting game. I could take a position with less hours and qualify for medicaid or buy health insurance, but neither will work for another 4 years under Obama's health care plan (medicaid for childless adults not available for 4 yrs, pre-existing condition denial not elminated for 4 yrs).

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RE: please help afraid of losing job - 6/4/2010 2:10:26 PM   
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They're not always making enough  money to help (I know this from experience.)
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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

okay, i am going to just say this and i am sure many may get all up in arms about it, but your signature line says you are collared, why can't your dom or master pay for your medical care if you can't afford it or help?  

angel

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