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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
When an atheist explains his position around here there are a number of people who explain to said atheist that isn't in fact their position and presume to attribute a different position to said atheist. How do you people consider that to be remotely reasonable? It certainly wouldn't be for any other group. For instance it would be ridiculous for me to say to a Christian no, no, no that's not your position; you believe that:

*The earth is flat and sits immovable upon pillars. Isaiah 40:22 KJV, 1 Samuel 2:8 KJV, Psalm 93:1 KJV
*Unicorns are real. Job 39:9-12 KJV
*You need to murder everyone in town and their livestock if a single person in the town isn't Christian. Deuteronomy 13:13-19 KJV

How does doing this to an atheist make it any different?

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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

I'm with you, OP.
When I'm dissed, I remember that on average, people with religion tend to have lower IQ's, to have trouble reasoning and to obey paternalistic authority, to react irrationally, unpredictably, physically and violently, to be racist [giving preferential treatment to people of their own religion], to rape, and embezzle.
The bible says I should stone the person arguing with me because his socks are made out of more than one fibre [Leviticus 19:19]
, that I am allowed to enslave him because he's American [Leviticus 25:44-45], and that I should kill him if he enters a church because he has a flat nose [Leviticus 21:17-21].
I might tell him his god has damned him already for prostelyzing or praying in public [Matthew 6:1-6], for having a tattoo [Leviticus 19:28] and for shaving [Leviticus 19:27].
Then I say, 'No headline ever read, 'Atheist militia machetes, rapes agnostic village,' and I move on.

Of course, I've met some nice religious people, but I just don't understand the gaping holes in their logic centres; they can see the differences in the brains of religious people using PET scans: interesting.

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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

they can see the differences in the brains of religious people using PET scans: interesting.

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

"Atheism" is not a religion.  And there is no official book of atheism like a Bible, Quran, etc.

After that, there is no position of atheism, either official or unofficial.

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ORIGINAL: marie2

Why do people think it's ok to strawman anything? It's an argument strategy. Why do people think it's ok to riddle their arguments with with sarcasm, insults and venom? It's all smoke and mirrors put into effect in an effort to "win" something that they perceive as a fight. Why? Because their over-inflated egos make it impossible for them to have a discussion of disagreement without playing games.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: marie2

Why do people think it's ok to strawman anything? It's an argument strategy. Why do people think it's ok to riddle their arguments with with sarcasm, insults and venom? It's all smoke and mirrors put into effect in an effort to "win" something that they perceive as a fight. Why? Because their over-inflated egos make it impossible for them to have a discussion of disagreement without playing games.

Jesus, would you get off the soapbox already?

Your self-righteous bullshit is getting annoying.

From the little I have seen of your posts you do the same thing.

It's just you are much cruder in your insults.

If you can't stand the heat then waddle into the kitchen, grab the quart of chocolate-marshmallow Haagen-Dazs, find your favorite Oprah dvd and you'll be feeling better in no time.

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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

I'm with you, OP.
When I'm dissed, I remember that on average, people with religion tend to have lower IQ's, to have trouble reasoning and to obey paternalistic authority, to react irrationally, unpredictably, physically and violently, to be racist [giving preferential treatment to people of their own religion], to rape, and embezzle.
The bible says I should stone the person arguing with me because his socks are made out of more than one fibre [Leviticus 19:19]
, that I am allowed to enslave him because he's American [Leviticus 25:44-45], and that I should kill him if he enters a church because he has a flat nose [Leviticus 21:17-21].
I might tell him his god has damned him already for prostelyzing or praying in public [Matthew 6:1-6], for having a tattoo [Leviticus 19:28] and for shaving [Leviticus 19:27].
Then I say, 'No headline ever read, 'Atheist militia machetes, rapes agnostic village,' and I move on.

Of course, I've met some nice religious people, but I just don't understand the gaping holes in their logic centres; they can see the differences in the brains of religious people using PET scans: interesting.

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

What are they winning? It's all forgotten by next week.

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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

I'm with you, OP.
When I'm dissed, I remember that on average, people with religion tend to have lower IQ's, to have trouble reasoning and to obey paternalistic authority, to react irrationally, unpredictably, physically and violently, to be racist [giving preferential treatment to people of their own religion], to rape, and embezzle.

I've seen the data on IQ differences. I wonder if these atheists with the higher intelligence were born abd bred atheists. What about a religious person who abandoms their religious beliefs ? Do they get smarter, do their IQ points rise up ?
Conversely, if an atheist has an epiphony and at some point subscribes to a religion, do they get dumber ? Do they lose IQ points ? Same questions apply to the other traits that are assigned to atheists vs religious people.
Is the child or young person who has very devout religious beliefs doomed for life in the smarts department, even if they become atheists as adults ?
For the sake of diversity and fairness should we have different IQ testing for religious and atheist folks ? You know, like an affirmative action type thing for the religious crowd. Seems to me issuing the same test to the poor little Christian, Jewish and Muslim kids take is setting them up for a life of failure and inferiority. < sacasm >
There was a point in my life when I did not believe in God or religion. Was I smarter then ? Did returning to my religious views diminish my IQ points ?
 
Of course, I've met some nice religious people, but I just don't understand the gaping holes in their logic centres; they can see the differences in the brains of religious people using PET scans: interesting.

I'd love to see this study. I have seen the one about IQ, as I said. And the funny thing is: the hypothesis was that people of less intelligence were more likey to be drawn into a religion. Very different from a hypothesis that sets out to prove atheists are more intelligent.
I's so glad you have  met * some * nice religious folks. Just rememebr to keep it simple for us, we have trouble following along with all you smart people.

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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot
I've seen the data on IQ differences. I wonder if these atheists with the higher intelligence were born abd bred atheists. What about a religious person who abandoms their religious beliefs ? Do they get smarter, do their IQ points rise up ?
Conversely, if an atheist has an epiphony and at some point subscribes to a religion, do they get dumber ? Do they lose IQ points ? Same questions apply to the other traits that are assigned to atheists vs religious people.
Is the child or young person who has very devout religious beliefs doomed for life in the smarts department, even if they become atheists as adults ?
For the sake of diversity and fairness should we have different IQ testing for religious and atheist folks ? You know, like an affirmative action type thing for the religious crowd. Seems to me issuing the same test to the poor little Christian, Jewish and Muslim kids take is setting them up for a life of failure and inferiority. < sacasm >
There was a point in my life when I did not believe in God or religion. Was I smarter then ? Did returning to my religious views diminish my IQ points ?