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I do. Not everyone with as strong a bias against something is unteachable or unreachable. I'd rather he was in a position to learn, and hopefully modify his bias someday, from the benefit of having interacted with those he once felt so strongly against.

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ORIGINAL: submissivemale22

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

I think VAA said this was gonna be an un-moderated thread.  I am sure if I am mistaken I will find out soon enough-lol.

I think that engaging 22 and expecting him to respond differently or better or more intellegently is akin to throwing ice on the retarded kids at school as they walk by, or making fun of them and then being surprised when they cry and get upset and kick and throw things and act in a way we, the smart cool kids, would never act.

wow. analogizing might not be your thing, but at least you still have humility.

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Shouldn't you be asleep?


Where is my jersey? (in reply to domiguy)

Do you always respond to people in this manner? Why must you blurt things out...What are you talking about? have you gone mad?

My last post to this thread was made yesterday, 7-9-10, at 4:41 pm.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3302335/mpage_15/key_/tm.htm#3303779

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ORIGINAL: submissivemale22
in retrospect, i was out of bounds here. in observing posts and talking with others, i now recognize that there are a good number of people who very much want this kind of interaction, and far be it from me to place judgment on them or attempt to impede their pursuit of happiness.

so, to everyone who was offended by these remarks, you have my complete and unequivocal apology. i justified a lot of my conduct on the basis that i didn't attack personally (with limited exceptions), however by attacking a deeply rooted characteristic that many people here identify with, it occurs to me that i may have committed a far greater wrong.

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nm.

I know, I know, don't engage.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact


I was thinking of starting a separate thread this morning on this subject. The problem is that it isn't especially BDSM related and even though I want the topic to get as much exposure as possible, I'm not especially sure that I can tie it in to something revolving around bondage, discipline, sadism, and masochism.

In My opinion, you did do a far greater wrong. Some of those people that you personally attacked, who you felt were worth slandering by calling abusers and such, that you thought were acceptable losses, were nothing of the sort. They were people living this lifestyle who actually have good experiences with their partners in M/s or D/s dynamics. Due to the way you behaved and the personal insults you threw, they got silenced and treated in a way that wasn't justified.

Now, that may not seem like a big deal, but let Me explain to you the effect that it has. You came here, raised a bunch of hell, and created this mess. The result of which is that fewer people who have knowledge about this are here. Don't forget that, in the meantime, there are more and more people (like you) who have little to no experience in this coming here everyday. When there are fewer people here who know what they are doing in all of this, there are fewer voices to help new people based on knowledge. Instead, there are more people answering questions from the fantasy or outright false point of view. Not everybody coming here has any source of information other than this place. When they get the wrong data, some of which you were slinging about, feigning ignorance for it later, they think the lies are the reality. You did nothing but perpetuate that cycle. Some of which, can actually be dangerous. What's going to be left here for people when folks like you come along and create this situation?

The people you insulted and personally attacked aren't here to read your apology. At this point, I'm not even sure they are coming back. If they don't, the scales will be tipped even worse and the people who don't have good advice to share will fill threads with answers based on whatever they have created in their heads that they think sounds good when they typed it up on the screen.

You played a pivotal part in a disservice to this site and I hope you get the depth of the ramifications.