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RE: Religion & BDSM - 9/27/2004 12:28:39 PM

LadyShoshin

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

General misconception LadyShosin… I'm a very spiritual person in my own way. Atheist means that I don't believe in the existence of a god like thing and therefore don't have a need for a religion or to venerate anything. A lot of Atheists aren’t spiritual but many are.

I chose to enjoy the beauty of life for what *I* consider it to be, where I see the true miracle being that the whole, humanity, is greater then the sum of its parts. And then to the next level to animal, vegetable, mineral, and on and on. My beliefs about life and how/why we are here are very closely aligned closely aligned with the non-religious Taoist precepts. (Taoism was at the origin a philosophical & psychological code for living written by Lao-tzu in the Tao-te-Ching which then unfortunately got turned into a state religion in 440 CE). Tao (pronounced "Dow") can be roughly translated into English as "path", or "the way". It refers to a power which envelops, surrounds and flows through all things, living and non-living.

And all of this to me means that we all co-exist on the same path and just manifest out our desires, needs, etc in the way we need to. D/s as well as S&M is very much along the path of Yin Yang for me. None is superior and none is inferior and one cannot exist without the other.

- LA

I apologise if any offence was given, none was meant. I try not to stereotype people and in my lack of understanding of atheism did just that, my apologies. I definately agree with believing none is superior and none inferior. I cherish my subs and play partners, they perform an important function in my life, each different, but each important.

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RE: Finally a serious question - 9/27/2004 1:21:52 PM

magiqual

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MissFem asked:

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now if a fem sub calls her Master names such as "Master...and Lord {insert a name} how can they call their higher power such names? Isnt God called those names? so a human can not be right?

This is specific to Christianity, as practiced in the last 400 years.

As LadyShoshin indicated, using "Lord" for God comes from England, specifically the King James Version bible (written in Elizabethan english.) The Elizabethans were a highly class-conscious and feudal society where the landowners were Lords and Ladies and the people who worked the land were below them socially and economically. It's no surprise that the authors of the KJV bible would appropriate the term "Lord" for a masculine figure in power.

At that time, there was no conflict between referring to a nobleman as Lord and God as The Lord ("Lord of Lords", as the KJV puts it, i.e. above all humanity). Also note that this bible emphashized a personal and intimate relationship with God, using "Thou" instead of "You" ("You" was used to your social superiors or to someone when you didn't know their class relative to you; "Thou" was reserved for those below you and your intimate partner. God, presumably, counts as an intimate partner.) This is opposed to the Jewish approach which wrote the name of God such that it could not even be pronounced, or the Catholic approach that mediated all communications through the priesthood. The creation of the KJV was as much King James' reaction to Catholoicism as anything.

So, historically there's been no conflict. These days, in a presumably egalitarian society, I can imagine a devout Christian having an issue with using "Lord" as a term of honor and respect to another person, but that would be a personal decision. In any case, if someone had an internal conflict, God's title "Lord of Lords" trumps all.

P.S. My own spirituality is pagan, and involves devotional relationships to a small number of deities. One of those relationships looks a whole lot like my D/s relationship (which looks pretty darn Elizabethan-formal to boot!) -- buily on service, surrender, and formality.

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RE: Religion & BDSM - 9/27/2004 4:40:30 PM

LadyAngelika

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ORIGINAL: LadyShoshin
I apologise if any offence was given, none was meant. I try not to stereotype people and in my lack of understanding of atheism did just that, my apologies.

Ah I didn't take offence to your comment LadyShoshin:) I was simply explaining where I am coming from.

As I said, it is a general misconception. FYI, I usually refer people to the following source if they want to know more about Atheism, if you are interested of course.

Atheism 101: Basic Guide to Atheism, Atheists, and Debates

- LA

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