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IronBear -> RE: Hypnosis (4/17/2006 8:56:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MHOO314 IMHO, hypnosis should be done only by a trained professional and for pyscological reasons--NOT for submission. Thank you darlin.. That is what I've been saying for ages.....[:D]

crazypatient -> RE: Hypnosis (4/17/2006 8:58:45 PM)
if as a sub, I would enjoy it... is it wrong?

DaddysinCharge -> RE: Hypnosis (4/17/2006 9:00:53 PM)
In My Never-So-Humble Opinion.... there still seems to be a misunderstanding of the mechanics of what happens in hypnosis. Let's call the hypnotist A and the subject B. B decides to get help from A to enter trance. A assists B(by providing something for B to focus on, a voice, an object, whatever,...). B (by using the assistance of A) enters a trance state at whatever level he/she wants to and/or is most comfortable with. A gives suggestions, B listens and decides whether or not to accept them. .... umm, basically that's it. Nothing narcotic, nothing illegal, nothing magical. All a trance truly is, is a focused state of mind. The subject makes the decision at some level to focus and to go as deep as he/she wants to. Feel free to ban everything that causes trance states : driving a car, watching TV or movies, listening to music, making love, spending time online(a HUGE cause for people to enter trance), etcetc... B may have made the decision to be receptive to what A has to say... but that can take place even without hypnosis. If B has made an informed choice to obey every word A says, well, is anyone here going to claim that someone deciding to obey another person totally is a bad idea? (Your answer for this question should be the same whether hypnosis is used or not by the two parties. If it is different, then do more reading on the subject.) and MHOO314, I will agree with some of what you said. No one should attempt to use hypnotic trances to do therapy that a licensed professional is needed for. However, if used with care and skill by partners who are being safe, sane and consentual, it can provide a wonderful enhancement to their experience. No, it isnt for everyone, but what is?

akisha -> RE: Hypnosis (4/17/2006 9:19:06 PM)
That would kind of take out the whole Safe Sane and Consensual out of the equation wouldn't it? personally i'd be wary of anyone that wanted to try it on me. i'm very open minded, i'm pretty sure i don't need someone to screwing with my subconscious to make me do something i'm very against. just my thoughts.... [:'(] damn typo faeries

crazypatient -> RE: Hypnosis (4/17/2006 9:27:13 PM)
but in agreeing to such, I am giving consent..

awmslave -> RE: Hypnosis (4/17/2006 10:26:54 PM)
There is a website that clarifies the subject matter a little: http://hypnotic-submission.org/faq.htm I do not agree with "safety nazis" that only schooled professional should use hypnosis. The basic hypnosis thechniques are not so difficult to learn. Also, I believe hypnosis (and also NLP) has a great potential and future especially in advanced master-slave type relationships.

Dustyn -> RE: Hypnosis (4/18/2006 2:12:25 AM)
quote: I do not agree with "safety nazis" that only schooled professional should use hypnosis Tell that to Kevin Bacon. LOL But seriously. If you have to resort to a measure that creates the inability for someone to willfully and purposely choose to either obey or disregard, you got problems way beyond learning to swing a watch or what not like that.

Furr -> RE: Hypnosis (4/18/2006 3:31:06 AM)
Perhaps I was not as clear as I wanted to be. I do not desire to hypnotize to obtain submission, but to use it as a mutually agreeable form of enhancement. For instance, she has an examination coming up in school. I believe hypnosis could help her concentrate and retain what she has read. I have also used post hypnotic suggestion to achieve wrist bondage. Its cheaper than rope and more impressive. What else is out there ? Furr

LadiesBladewing -> RE: Hypnosis (4/18/2006 3:50:46 AM)
I use guided meditation and hypnosis as a tool to assist my clients and others in our fellowship (including our servants, on occasion) in moving forward in their lives where they are facing challenges, but there is a HUGE ethical boundary here, in my opinion. I am the spiritual leader and guide for our community, and, as such, it is my responsibility to use these tools for the benefit of the individuals whose care I am responsible for, but it would be -very- easy to justify that, because -I- want something to be a certain way, I am the leader, and I just -know- it is in their own best interests, it really -is- ok to phrase my statements in a way that will cause this person to -shift- his or her thinking to be more compatible with my own. I struggle with this often, when I use these tools, constantly checking and re-checking to make sure that I am working on the -client's- desires and goals, and not on my own hidden agenda, because it is so easy to use tools that impact another person's frame of mind to "adjust" their thinking into ways that -we-, as practitioners, might find more "acceptable"... and to me, this smacks of brainwashing and mental manipulation, and strays far from the field of "consentual submission". It has been taught (erroneously, I think) that it is impossible to make someone do something by hypnotism that they wouldn't naturally do -- but this discounts the realities of the servant personality -- that desire to please completely. It also discounts the reality that, given the right personalities, things said during a hypnotic session can be phrased in such a way that the recipient actually -does- think that it is completely reasonable for him or her to behave in the way that the hypnotist is suggesting, despite the reality that, with a more clear view and different phrasing, such actions would be completely out of that individual's normal willingness to participate. I've actually had to work to heal individuals who had been hypnotized into thought patterns that ended up being contrary to their natural tendencies, and started eating away at them over long periods of time, and it always bothers me -- enough that hypnotism has become a less and less used tool in my healer's kit. While there are certainly good reasons to make use of tools like hypnotism, there are also many less invasive, just as reliable, and less ethically questionable ways to get to the same place. Even though I have the training to use hypnotism, it is my -last- resort for working with clients, and, despite the popularity of "play hypnosis" on TV, is not a tool that I would recommend for scening or casual play. Lady Zephyr

FangsNfeet -> RE: Hypnosis (4/18/2006 3:51:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Furr Perhaps I was not as clear as I wanted to be. I do not desire to hypnotize to obtain submission, but to use it as a mutually agreeable form of enhancement. For instance, she has an examination coming up in school. I believe hypnosis could help her concentrate and retain what she has read. I have also used post hypnotic suggestion to achieve wrist bondage. Its cheaper than rope and more impressive. What else is out there ? Furr You want her to have better grades.? If you think hypnosis will do this, then you might as well give her a magic feather. It's all psychological. The only way it's going to work is that it boost her confidence. As for this wrist bondage you speak of, all she will be doing is what you tell her to do. Her wrist will never be bound because you hyptnotized her, but only because you commanded her to be still. Sure, she can imagine that she's bound and role play with it but in the end she'll get up with or without your consent due to starvation or the simple erge to go to the bathroom.

DarkScribe -> RE: Hypnosis (4/18/2006 5:12:38 AM)
Even though I do not have knowledge of hypnosis, I believe that it can also be used to intensify experiences. First thing that comes to mind is to have fun with the simpler things without the need to revert to the more extreme ways of getting enjoyment. Also, this way it won't be used to gain submission, as that, to me, sounds like cheating, placing some powder or pills inside her drinks. Hypnosis should be used to enhance the quality of whatever it is you're doing.

Tikkiee -> RE: Hypnosis (4/18/2006 5:21:13 AM)
I have had hypnosis used on me to help with the past but if Chris ever, ever used it on me for reasons other than that; I doubt he would live to tell the tale.

IronBear -> RE: Hypnosis (4/18/2006 5:22:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: awmslave There is a website that clarifies the subject matter a little: http://hypnotic-submission.org/faq.htm I do not agree with "safety nazis" that only schooled professional should use hypnosis. The basic hypnosis thechniques are not so difficult to learn. Also, I believe hypnosis (and also NLP) has a great potential and future especially in advanced master-slave type relationships. I don't class myself as a safety nazi, but besided belin as certified professional Hupnotherapist among other things my experience goes way past clinical areas into areas which I believe have you waking up in a sweat and screaming. I just happen to have first hand experience what the misuse of hypnosis can do. At least professionaly trained people are taught properly and practice under supervision.... This is why I sit on the other end of the spectrum than FnF does (happens more often than not).. My views are based on personal experience not on what I've been told or read.. However your an adult, you do what you want to do, it's no skin of my nose what ever happens to you. I don't have to pick up the pieces.

FangsNfeet -> RE: Hypnosis (4/18/2006 5:55:04 AM)
In your case, it sounds like you're more into having someone relax, meditate, and listen to the sound of your voice. Yes, that can intensify things and helps with trust and arousal. It's also a good method of bringing someone slowly out of sub space. However, that's not hypnotisim. It all breaks down to "I want you to calm down and listen to me."

MaitreMilou -> RE: Hypnosis (4/18/2006 8:01:01 AM)
Like some in this post, I do fantasize about hypnosis. But it is always very clear in my mind that it is a consensual thing. Nothing could be obtained without the consent of the partner. There are many sites about "mind control" stories which are very exciting (and very unrealistic). I believe that hypnosis can enhance a D/s relationship, like some outfits, gadgets or even a glass of wine or a joint. Some people will say that drug or hypnosis have nothing to do with bdsm, that the submission has to be done in a completely "clean" ambiance... I have some doubts : an ambiance with strange outfits, torture wheel, whips, sometimes with strange music or light or perfume, an ambiance full of pheromones and adrenaline, with that huge excitment we all wish to get... can it be called a "clean" ambiance? I have nothig about those who enjoy to share a bottle of champagne or a grass joint. Should it not be the same with hypnosis? If some people fantasize about hypnotising, some other fantasize about BEING hypnotised... (another interesting site: Warp My Mind)

OneX2 -> RE: Hypnosis (4/18/2006 9:20:07 AM)
I use hypnosis to enhance a scene not to program and control the scene. This is not for every one, but what we are really talking about when you say hypnosis is altered states. Anyone trained in it’s use will recognize and use altered states in guiding ways. That is the very same that every one does when they train their sub/slave. This can be argued but really altered states happens all the time. We sleep, we wake. We concentrate on what we’re reading, we are paying attention to our body. That is a simple altered state! You had to associate into every one of those concepts to understand them. This is very simplified, and it is the same thing as knowing when the mind set of the sub/slave is ready for the next activity. You are taking her/him there. Joseph

IronBear -> RE: Hypnosis (4/18/2006 10:41:03 AM)
I’m agreeing with both Fangs and you here Joseph… Altered states of consciousness do not require hypnotism but by setting the scene and using such techniques as breathing and meditation you can create excellent atmospheres from euphoric to relaxed and ready to go recharged full of energy. Admittedly I also add music, candles and incense but what do you expect from a pagan/sorcerous old fart

OneX2 -> RE: Hypnosis (4/19/2006 7:49:18 AM)
From every one of your post I can tell you know what your doing! Most people think of Hypnosis akin to dropping in a program in some one. Altered states is what so many are really after, and I like to describe myself as a Tantric Shaman myself. Setting the mood is all part of guiding any one to a where you want to go. If any one else is curious as to how you can use hypnosis to enhance a scene please email me and I will provide more of an example. Joseph

crazypatient -> RE: Hypnosis (4/19/2006 11:00:19 AM)
In a lot of ways, submission itself can be an altered state. I think an altered stated may be what attracts me so much into submission; it dosn't matter how I feel about myself, that's all in the control of another. and it wouldn't be a good idea to get into any kind of relationship, especially something like this, without knowing and trusting the dom, and also knowing his limits. there was a thread before about being a no-limits sub actually means having the limits of the dom... and hypnosis is not total mind control, anyways... it's main basis is a change in the frame of mind or schema... what beliefs are held and what is understood... and it is not possible to hypnotize someone who is unwilling... I have a hard time seeing much harm... is there something I'm missing? Also, about substances... if the sub is into it, and it is agreed upon ahead of time... same thing. no harm.

iowaswitch -> RE: Hypnosis (4/19/2006 12:26:26 PM)
My deepest fantasies and desires (forced fem and submission) are so much outside the norm the thought of hypnosis is of great interest, fasination and could be great help to me. The thought of being hynpnotised and led or taken to fulfill my secret desires of feminism and submission may be the only true avenue of reaching my destination... Is there anyone that understands or can add or help me in trying to convey my thoughts? I know if I were a female I would be a lesbian and very sub....

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