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mnottertail -> RE: Hypnosis (4/19/2006 12:38:37 PM)
Short of being snuffed in a teddy on new years in times square (and I am not sure that is outside the norm, either). I am pretty sure you are not alone, in whatever it is. Trust me, you don't even know the meaning of sick bastard until you know people like me...... LOL, Ron

iowaswitch -> RE: Hypnosis (4/19/2006 7:52:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: iowaswitch My deepest fantasies and desires (forced fem and submission) are so much outside the norm the thought of hypnosis is of great interest, fasination and could be great help to me. The thought of being hynpnotised and led or taken to fulfill my secret desires of feminism and submission may be the only true avenue of reaching my destination... Is there anyone that understands or can add or help me in trying to convey my thoughts? I know if I were a female I would be a lesbian and very sub....

Furr -> RE: Hypnosis (4/24/2006 10:15:40 PM)
I have used a post hypnotic suggestion that when I say "cuffed" her wrists would come together, come together so strongly that she could not separate them even if she wanted to. She would be able to separate them when I said "released." It provides quick easy bondage. Or have her put her arms around a pole. Then "cuffed." You get the idea. What I request is any other ideas along these lines anyone has. Furr

DaddysinCharge -> RE: Hypnosis (4/25/2006 4:14:01 PM)
Other ideas? Well, to name a few... Orgasm control (from what all I have seen, this is number 1 with a bullet on popular uses for Ds related trancing, both with and without classic quote/unquote "hypnosis") Pleasure enhancement ("Feel the Deep pleasure that comes from obediance...") Role-play enhancement ( Instead of your sub pretending to be someone else, for a short period of time, she actually believes she IS that "someone else". Despite My SN here, I capital-D Don't suggest taking someone back to their childhood this way.) Triggers/post-hypnotic suggestions as a reminder of just who is in control. Lowering of gag reflexes (which has some obvious uses<weg>) Keep in mind, there are 3 important factors as to how well this will work for you and your sub/slave. 1) Just how willing he/she is to doing this 2) To what degree he/she is interested in and agreeable to following hypnotic wording and imagery 3) Any level of reluctance that would inhibit her/him from doing this (What's the top 3 things which determine real estate value? "Location, location, location" Same theory here in my statement....) After willingness (numbers 1, 2, and 3) comes the hypnotist's skill and the suggestibility of the "sub"ject.

Vancouver_cinful -> RE: Hypnosis (4/25/2006 4:27:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chiana i personally love hypnosis because with it you can achieve a dissociative state very similiar to subspace but with more control.. when i'm in subspace i am so far gone i cannot communicate and lose track of time. with hypnosis i have the feeling of floating, arousal.. yet can come out of it at any time i can assure anyone who is interested that despite what you may have read, you can't be made to do anything you aren't willing to do otherwise.. no one has ever been able to make me even forget what was done during the induction or afterwards My best guess is that it would depend on the individual, but for myself it holds no fear. As Chiana said, I've done hypnosis and self-hypnosis, and equate it to meditation, or guided visualization. And yes, it's very similar to subspace in many ways. Deeply relaxed, barely verbal, very responsive, but I've never had a sense of losing complete control. In a situation where you trust your partner I can't imagine it being harmful in any way. Cin

cuddleheart50 -> RE: Hypnosis (4/25/2006 4:40:35 PM)
I have been hynotized before, and it just made me feel more relaxed. If I didnt want to do anything I didnt. You still have control over what you want to do or not...just made me a little more uninhibited. I liked it. [:D]

Vancouver_cinful -> RE: Hypnosis (4/25/2006 4:45:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dustyn But seriously. If you have to resort to a measure that creates the inability for someone to willfully and purposely choose to either obey or disregard, you got problems way beyond learning to swing a watch or what not like that. I can easily go in and out of a hypnotic/trance state on my power, and it's no different when I utilize another person to help me go into that state. I've never once in a hypnotic/trance state been unable to choose to obey, or disregard, a suggestion. More than once I hit an area that my subconcious was not happy to deal with, and every time that happened, I drifted quickly up to an alert state. Honestly, it was very much like being in subspace, and becoming alert because something didn't feel right. I've always felt wonderfully relaxed and blissful afterwards. (Most hypnosis techniques purposefully leave you in a great mood. A kind of after-care. LOL) Cin

DaddysinCharge -> RE: Hypnosis (4/25/2006 7:20:32 PM)
A trance is a trance is a trance...most of the time, it doesnt really matter how you get there. I will admit one thing. (And by saying this, I am Definitely going against the standard "party line") There is a SMALL (very very small) minority of people who can be made to do things they dont wish to do. But when these people truly learn that they don't have to obey every suggestion to the letter, that problem goes away.

tyku -> RE: Hypnosis (6/15/2006 3:45:04 PM)
A direct example of a command that is useful: x = girl, boy, or whatever the case may be Any time your partner hears you say the words "good (x)" they get a quick surge of pleasure.

MasterHypnotist -> RE: Hypnosis (6/16/2006 10:15:38 PM)
This reply isn't only to Arpig, but inclusive to other's who have concern over perceived "rape," non-consent, non-awareness of hypnosis, or subconscious manipulation. First, to steal from one of the moderators in the chat lobby, hypnosis can be a tool in BDSM, just like ropes, knives, needles, etc. A /s should make sure the D/ knows how to use such tools, before submitting to them. Hypnotism in this scene, is a fetish. It is awesome for behavior modification and enhancing experiences. It hightens senses, it doesn't (unless a negative hallucination is desired, ie: not sensing something that is there) dampen them. While physical relaxation can be quite profound, I'm not sure that "a zombie like state," would really be an accurate description. In fact, a person in hypnosis can be quite active! As far as hypnosis being an evil way to manipulate a /s... isn't that one aspect of what Domination is about? It's ok to manipulate through sensorary deprevation, physical restraint, sleep or food regulation, limiting contact with others, emotional manipulation, verbal and non-verbal cues, pain, etc... but don't purposefully lead them into an altered state of... "agreeablity" through an induction because THAT is evil? ~shrugs~ while accepting all kinks, I have not yet been able to bring myself to use pain in an intimate scene. Pain's purpose is to point away from itself. To motivate one to quit the environment of discomfort and make change in life. That it is used differently in BDSM may say more about those activities, than being afraid of a naturally occuring function of the brain that we call hypnosis. My thoughts, take them as you wish, MH

tyku -> RE: Hypnosis (6/16/2006 11:02:45 PM)
It seems to me that you have some very good, nicely thought out, ideas when it comes to hypnosis MH. It also seems to me that you may have some limiting beliefs involving, and/or centered around pain. Pain is simply a message to your brain that you can build meaning into in almost any way you want. You can choose to only see it as a message that there is something for you to move away from.. or you-like me-can choose to see pain as a message that you are alive, and in order to stay that way there are certain things that you must do. But, I digress... As MH says: Hypnosis is a tool. All tools are morally neutral. Morality is applied in the whats, hows, whys, wheres, and whens. ex: Lynching is a tool. Some people consider lynching a morally correct action. A lot of people do not. If some people had had the chance to lynch Hitler, they would've done it in a heartbeat. Would lynching in this case be moral, or immoral? Why, or why not?

NikoB -> RE: Hypnosis (6/17/2006 12:11:41 AM)
I agree with the comment of hypnoisis being a tool, and therefore beyond moral judgment in itself. However I speak from a very inexperinced point of view, hypnosis is something I would love to try but have never had a chance to.

OneX2 -> RE: Hypnosis (6/17/2006 5:50:54 AM)
I agree with you completely! Hypnosis that many people here seem to be referring to is something that they got out of a movie. That belief should be checked against the actual reality before you come make your choice of what it is or isn't. You can use any tool to define yourself and your own way of Doming another, but if it is the only tool you have than let's just say it is not a very good party most of the time. If hypnotists had the power to brainwash people to do things against the will hypnosis would be used by the government, and you and I would not know about it. It has it's place. I use in training, on myself, and other. I am a professional at it's use, and know that more people fear the fantasy of what they want it to do than what it actually does to enhance the control we have with ourselves. There a so many people that want to be made to eat healthier, or do a tasks responsibly every time. Hypnosis isn’t about forcing us to take away the responsibility for our own actions. If anything people who really are interested should get off this board and look around themselves. You have to many cooks in the kitchen that know what’s right for them, and that is different for every one. Not many people here have had much actual experience with it. Joseph

MasterHypnotist -> RE: Hypnosis (6/17/2006 8:40:28 AM)
tyku, Thank you for the kind words. I am not denegrating the use of pain for pleasure. I'm simply stating that pain's primary function is motivation to do the sometimes difficult things than need to be done to change one's environment and leave the discomfort behind. It is the secondary and tertiary responses to pain, when removal of oneself is not an option, that BDSM keys into. When the pain (emotional or physical) cannot be avoided, then other "backup" protectors kick in. Things like endorphin release, which simply counter the pain receptors with the purpose enabling or renewing the above stated purpose, get out of this environment and have this taken care of! Other coping functions are acceptance, acquiesence, reframing or transference. (A friend of mine cut a deep gash in his boot while cutting wood. As he pulled the bloodied axe away from the gashed leather and blood throbbed out, his first thought was, "Damn, these are new boots!" He didn't feel any pain until just before going up the steps to his house, some 1/4 mile away. Now, it was "safe" to feel the pain, and it throbbed like his whole foot was going to blow off the end of his ankle!) Prolonged discomfort produces an altered state of consciousness. I'm just amused that hard D's and their /s' think that s/m is perfectly acceptable way of attaining compliance/pleasure/blissful state, whereas a "relaxation induction" and subsequent suggestions are manipulation. I never intended to state that I believe one is preferrable to the other. My style of Domination would probably bore most in this community. But she and I have fun, regardless. All the best, MH

OneX2 -> RE: Hypnosis (6/17/2006 11:28:38 AM)
Wonderful use of NLP while making your point! Joseph

tyku -> RE: Hypnosis (6/17/2006 6:49:17 PM)
OneX2: Who are you referring to? What you speak of in your other post is a big problem with the world. Most people assume that a statement made without any support but the emotion of another individual is acceptable. Why? Because we're used to perceiving people with conviction or authority as having more experience with whatever subject it is than we do. Click, whirrrrrrr! For those of you not familiar with this last sentence: please read "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion" by Robert B. Cialdini. MH: I wonder if sympathetic and parasympathetic responses are the only way to look at it. If you look at it from that perspective the dominant party gets exercise from the interaction, and perhaps some adrenaline(notice that these are almost purely physical responses). We know that this isn't true. The dominant person gets pleasure(notice this is a psychological response) from feeling, hearing, or seeing the recipients response to their action. Can the reverse not be true of the submissive? I agree with you. The responses of some people(ex: "HYPNOSIS IS EVILLLL!!!") when someone says "Hypnosis" are extremely interesting to me. They've been manipulated, and they don't even register it. What they don't realize is that we all "manipulate" things in our environment everyday. If you don't mind MH, I'm curious about your style. What is your normal D/s encounter like?

MasterHypnotist -> RE: Hypnosis (6/17/2006 7:48:37 PM)
tyku, I was talking about the purpose of pain for the pain perceiver. What the D/ or sadist gets out of cruelty (physical or emotional), I will let them or someone in the mental health field describe. Obviously, they derive pleasure from the activity, in one way or the other. As for my style? ~shrugs~ I guess it's called Gentle or Soft Domination. Whatever the antithesis of a sadist is, I am, I guess. Instead of creating rules and barriers, I help remove them in a protective environment. I get off on giving pleasure. Any combination of affirming, excrutiating, repeated, prolonged or unexpected pleasure, both subtle and profound. I love the building up and enabling of people to be their most functional in all aspects of their lives. Professionally there's ethics as to what I can access within a person to enable them to discover all their resources. Intimately, (or as a Pro Dom, I guess) the gloves come off and the entire creature, mind, body and spirit is available as resource. But that IS NOT DOMINATION someone might think! Oh? Think about it... All the best, MH

tyku -> RE: Hypnosis (6/18/2006 2:17:45 AM)
I was building an argument and/or illustration. It's the same response for D/ and /s, but a different stimulus. These are mostly psychological pleasures rather than purely biological responses. That is indeed another part of the full spectrum of domination, and one aspect which I thoroughly enjoy myself. Glad to know, and not just reason, that there is at least one other person out there who perceives this aspect as well as utilizes it.

MasterHypnotist -> RE: Hypnosis (6/18/2006 7:05:18 PM)
tyku, You're welcome. It's my kink and I've found someone to share it with. Isn't that what it's all about? Meanwhile, the old pros are thinking that he just doesn't get it, I'm sure. What's Domination without the taste of the leather every-once-in-a-while? ~shrugs~ It's amazing, some people turn to creating or experiencing pain (emotional or physical) to remind themselves that they're alive. Other people volunteer at soup kitchens and nursing homes, and get the same reminder. (And yes, some people do all of the above, and more!) I just want to share the idea that it's not hypnotism that A/anyone needs to fear. Merely the motivation and competency of its practitioners. Be well. A/anyone may feel free to drop an email with questions, criticisms or affirmations. Also, my profile shares other info about me, but alas, no photo. Can just imagine having a phone call asking, "Are you the hypnotist I saw in Collar Me chat last night?" Well, ok, that phone call might not be too bad, however there are others who would have a hay day knowing I spend time here. All the best, MH

tyku -> RE: Hypnosis (6/18/2006 7:58:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterHypnotist I just want to share the idea that it's not hypnotism that A/anyone needs to fear. Merely the motivation and competency of its practitioners. While I tend to look at larger pictures, and would say this statement needs to be more broadly generalized .. I agree one hundred percent. I've been considering adding a picture myself. So far I've come up with the thought that anyone who would notice that I was on here was either curious about the lifestyle(s), already involved in some way, or perhaps(paranoia speaking) people taking note of visitors to websites dealing in materials that are "UnAmerican" as McCarthy would say.

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