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EbonyWood -> RE: National park faces sale... (8/6/2010 9:40:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania I do not think they can sell Federal land... just saying this story sounds bogus The problem is, parts of Grand Teton are actually state land. They may very well be able to do anything they want with it, up to and including carving a new Mount Rushmore with Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Glenn Beck. Which actually might be sorta cool, if you think about it. I must admit that the prospect of a Rightard Rushmore is one of the very few things that would lead me to commit vandalism. Sculpting Cheney's hand up George's butt would be the artistic challenge.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: National park faces sale... (8/6/2010 9:48:03 PM)
I now remember who else I had on ignore when I was posting as Hippiekinkster before I was banned by XI for committing the inpardonable sin of quoting from a Knoxville newspaper. It was sanity. After reading his horseshit on this thread, I regret that I was unable to remember such a simple thing. I could have saved many precious minutes of my life had I pit him back on ignore when I rejoined. Easily corrected. But I'll never regain the lost heartbeats it took to read his moronic tripe. THAT is the tragedy.

thornhappy -> RE: National park faces sale... (8/6/2010 10:09:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Are you denying that states are facing growing budget crisis under this administration? I've lived in Ohio since 2000, and we've been in a budget crisis the entire time.

thornhappy -> RE: National park faces sale... (8/6/2010 10:14:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity America's Worst Job Market: What 27.6% Unemployment Looks Like El Centro's long been known for depending on ag, and has been hammered in the past when bad weather trashed the crops. There are several reasons why they are in such bad shape now: "In El Centro, unemployment has always been a concern. Notably, in the past decade, the area's jobless rate has never dropped below 12 percent. But when the economy soured during the recession, El Centro's unemployment rate surged, rising from 15.3 percent at the beginning of 2007 to 31.3 percent by the middle of last year as the housing market crumbled. "We had a large construction boom going on," says Sam Couchman, director of workforce development and veteran services for Imperial County. "So those construction workers being unemployed when the construction boom ended and everything kind of came to a standstill--that's why you continue to have a high unemployment rate." Singh remembers watching the process unfold as contractors finished planned construction and then abandoned Imperial County. "When they were done and those communities were done, then they kind of went away," he says. "They had overbuilt; they weren't selling the homes that they had, so why would they build more?" But it's not just housing. The retail and manufacturing sectors also got squeezed, applying further pressure to an already struggling economy. Currently, the government is one of the few reliable employers left. Imperial County has two state prisons, and a number of El Centro residents work there, as well as in Homeland Security and border patrol jobs. "All of those jobs have been very secure," says Viegas-Walker. "And in fact they've been adding people as opposed to laying people off." Another potential bright spot is the hope that El Centro will be able to expand its renewable-energy industry. Already, El Centro residents are awaiting the planned arrival of the company Tessera Solar. The company hopes to secure permits this year for an Imperial County branch. If all goes as planned, Tessera could be a major employer for El Centro residents." Would you call the government employees parasites on the economy?

juliaoceania -> RE: National park faces sale... (8/6/2010 10:29:35 PM)
Yeah.. the budget crisis here got much worse under Arnie

EbonyWood -> RE: National park faces sale... (8/6/2010 10:33:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Theres no sense in my trying to argue with anyone who is determined to live in a state of denial, is there. I believe he lives in California. Uber Liberal California? The very heart of Obamas economy? If hes living there and he isnt aware that things are bad theres no reaching him: quote: America's Worst Job Market: What 27.6% Unemployment Looks Like El Centro, Calif., is the largest U.S. city to be situated entirely below sea level. At the moment, it's also home to the country's most underwater job market. Nationally, the unemployment rate sits at 9.5 percent. But in the El Centro metropolitan area, it's a staggering 27.6 percent. And as workers across the country struggle to navigate the anemic labor market, El Centro has emerged as a case study about just how fragile the economic recovery can be. We haven't had unemployment at these current levels, two years over 9% nationally since the Great Depression. Not since Hoovervilles were common. Some quotes from the above article. Always good to read past headlines. Amit Singh, director of operations at the worker-placement firm Labor Finders International, saw firsthand how the recession savaged El Centro's economy. Labor Finders used to have an office in El Centro, but the company was forced to close down that branch earlier this year. "Unfortunately, the economy there was hit hard, and it just wasn't supporting our business. We tried there for many years to find better avenues, but the opportunities were just not there," says Singh In El Centro, unemployment has always been a concern. Notably, in the past decade. Currently, the government is one of the few reliable employers left. "We see a little bit of recovery on the horizon," he says. "It's happening very slowly, [but] as the country recovers, we will recover."

Sanity -> RE: National park faces sale... (8/7/2010 6:58:13 AM)
Yet I always have four of five leftists / liberals scrambling to try to distract attention from the points that I raise, usually via personal attacks such as yours or otherwise introducing bogus red herring or strawmen arguments - but rarely directly addresing the point raised. So as I wrote yesterday, welcome to the Democrat controlled economy. Unemployments going up, not down, so wheres the laser-like focus on jobs we were promised. Why is Wyoming so desperate for funding that its threatening to sell off cherished state lands? Why are leftists so desperate they have to launch these despicable personal attacks rather than address issues. quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster I now remember who else I had on ignore when I was posting as Hippiekinkster before I was banned by XI for committing the inpardonable sin of quoting from a Knoxville newspaper. It was sanity. After reading his horseshit on this thread, I regret that I was unable to remember such a simple thing. I could have saved many precious minutes of my life had I pit him back on ignore when I rejoined. Easily corrected. But I'll never regain the lost heartbeats it took to read his moronic tripe. THAT is the tragedy.

Arpig -> RE: National park faces sale... (8/7/2010 7:03:53 AM)
quote: Why is Wyoming so desperate for funding that its threatening to sell off cherished state lands? You mean the lands they have been threatening to sell off for 10 years?

Sanity -> RE: National park faces sale... (8/7/2010 7:26:19 AM)
Its coming to a head under our present government though, isn't it. Things havent been this bad since Hoover, but I pointed all this out previously didnt I. quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig You mean the lands they have been threatening to sell off for 10 years?

mnottertail -> RE: National park faces sale... (8/7/2010 7:31:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Yet I always have four of five leftists / liberals scrambling to try to distract attention from the points that I raise, usually via personal attacks such as yours or otherwise introducing bogus red herring or strawmen arguments - but rarely directly addresing the point raised. So as I wrote yesterday, welcome to the Democrat controlled economy. Unemployments going up, not down, so wheres the laser-like focus on jobs we were promised. Why is Wyoming so desperate for funding that its threatening to sell off cherished state lands? Why are leftists so desperate they have to launch these despicable personal attacks rather than address issues. Well, just like Rumsfeld said 'Every morning I wake up and wonder, where is Osama Bin Lauden'...I think that there are alot of democrats sitting out there going where can we get some jobs in this economy? I haven't heard anything laser like for ideas on jobs from the republican aisles.

Sanity -> RE: National park faces sale... (8/7/2010 8:13:57 AM)
You mean, besides the Democrat plan which goes something like, quadruple the deficits every quarter, attack employers, call them greedy fat cats, send drilling rigs overseas, and so on? Opposing Democrats is all the Republicans and the Tea Partyrs really need to do. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Well, just like Rumsfeld said 'Every morning I wake up and wonder, where is Osama Bin Lauden'...I think that there are alot of democrats sitting out there going where can we get some jobs in this economy? I haven't heard anything laser like for ideas on jobs from the republican aisles.

cuckoldmepls -> RE: National park faces sale... (8/7/2010 8:31:12 AM)
Liberals just can't seem to comprehend that the National Park System is unconstitutional in the first place, and a prime example of why we are $13 trilion in debt. There's a little thing called the 10th amendment to the U.S. Constitution that says, any power not specifically delegated to the federal government is reserved to the states. No where in the Constitution does it authorize Congress to create a National Park System, therefore only the state has the power to create a state park. I would even go so far to say that the Interstate Highway system is unconstitutional, since the Constittuion does not authorize the Feds to control. Now, this is where they supposedly get around it. There's a little thing called the Interstate Commerce Clause, which supposedly authorizes Congress to control it if it crosses state lines. However, you can't create a program that is unconstitutional to create in the first place, then claim it falls under the ICC after you created it. That's only common sense. It's obvious parks don't fall under the ICC since 95% of the time it's a local person driving into a local park. About the only way you could argue a national park falls under the ICC is if the boundaries of the park crossed state lines. So what about roads then. Well technically, roads don't cross state lines. They end at the state line, and a new one owned by the next state starts. Bottom line is this. If they had followed the constitution, there would be absolutely no national debt, and each state would be responsible for their own roads, infrastructure, and social programs. This way, someone in Kansas wouldn't have to pay for the Boston Big Dig, the Bridge to Nowhere, and the hundreds of millions of dollars John Murtha Airport that services 30 people a day.

kdsub -> RE: National park faces sale... (8/7/2010 8:31:15 AM)
I thought you were all for State rights...I mean don't they have the right to finance and voters support their own damn school system? Butch

mnottertail -> RE: National park faces sale... (8/7/2010 8:35:43 AM)
You mean, besides the Democrat plan which goes something like, quadruple the deficits every quarter, where is that data? attack employers, How do they do that? call them greedy fat cats, Wheres the video, and whats the context? send drilling rigs overseas, Unaware that is what administration policy is. Perhaps you have a cite? and so on? and so on for any citations from responsible and reliable sources. And the republicans have done what to create jobs. Remember the lasar like focus you are honing should be on jobs. I await facts, figures, data, reason, and ideas.

pahunkboy -> RE: National park faces sale... (8/7/2010 11:18:04 AM)
Escuse - me- but El Centro has long been a wreck. it has nothing to do with this downturn.

EbonyWood -> RE: National park faces sale... (8/7/2010 11:22:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls Liberals just can't seem to comprehend that the National Park System is unconstitutional in the first place, and a prime example of why we are $13 trilion in debt. There's a little thing called the 10th amendment to the U.S. Constitution that says, any power not specifically delegated to the federal government is reserved to the states. No where in the Constitution does it authorize Congress to create a National Park System, therefore only the state has the power to create a state park. I would even go so far to say that the Interstate Highway system is unconstitutional, since the Constittuion does not authorize the Feds to control. Now, this is where they supposedly get around it. There's a little thing called the Interstate Commerce Clause, which supposedly authorizes Congress to control it if it crosses state lines. However, you can't create a program that is unconstitutional to create in the first place, then claim it falls under the ICC after you created it. That's only common sense. It's obvious parks don't fall under the ICC since 95% of the time it's a local person driving into a local park. About the only way you could argue a national park falls under the ICC is if the boundaries of the park crossed state lines. So what about roads then. Well technically, roads don't cross state lines. They end at the state line, and a new one owned by the next state starts. Bottom line is this. If they had followed the constitution, there would be absolutely no national debt, and each state would be responsible for their own roads, infrastructure, and social programs. This way, someone in Kansas wouldn't have to pay for the Boston Big Dig, the Bridge to Nowhere, and the hundreds of millions of dollars John Murtha Airport that services 30 people a day. I didn't read any of this because you're historically an idiot.

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