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RE: Slave registry - 3/28/2004 5:47:32 PM

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i am more curious about what the registration itself means to both the Mistress/Master and slave; it's purpose; etc, etc.

Hello all,

i would like to re-direct the purpose of this thread i started; which is listed above.

In response to buffykins: i am not "worried" about becoming a slave, in fact it's something i'm working towards; i would like to hear about slaves/Master's personal experiences with this registration.

my original concern stemmed from the learning about a slave getting a registration number and that being tattooed on their person.

Also, i agree with Sherri, everyone is here for a different reason.
And it's fine to disagree with others, it should be done with respect, buffykins.

i look forward to hearing from everyone....

thanks,

~rain~

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RE: Slave registry - 3/29/2004 1:39:01 PM

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rain, your original concern stemmed from the learning about a slave getting a registration number and that being tattooed on their person. Right? Why does that you nervous? Really what about it gets to you? Is it the number? The bar code? If you were to find the Master/Mistress of your dreams and they wanted you to tattoo “property of Mistress or Master X” on your butt, would that bother you? I see no difference in those two scenarios, personally. As far as the tattoo goes, from my own experience… I would not get one unless I knew it could be covered with some other form of art… I have the a saying and a girls name on my arm (I was 18) that will take a massive piece of art and a great tattooest to cover. But I’d really like to know what buggs you about it…

I think that ShadowHwk “Terry” did a great job of answering… and rebutting. (I’m not just kissing a**)

rain you said after Leonidas mentions Auschwitz… that “That was exactly what i was referring to in my first post, but did not want to detract from my question.” But it sounds to me like that is your question (why would there be such a registry after what happened at Auschwitz?) if not then Terry answered your questions.

feline’s addition was great.

sweetieboop’s answer was right on as far as the tattoo thing goes.

sweetcelle’s answer was good too.

BlackGoddess’s was also good with a nice spin.

perverseangelic… as far as I see –I- personally think a number is no different then giving you a name other then your own. Quote: “I think to say that someone is not intelligent because their emotions are triggered by something is rather silly and judgemental. one does not always control ones emotions, and they are often set off by something that is completely innocuous to someone else. ex. i have a friend who -hates- to be refered to as "baby" it upsets her greatly and makes her think of child abuse. it has no relation to the person calling her that, nor the situation in which it occurs, it is simply a strange emotional trigger. Answer: intelligent might not be the right word… what I was trying to say was “if you know you have a problem with emotional triggers, you should work through them” if you have a problem being referred to by a number then look with in yourself and learn (intelligence) why you don’t like it and see if you can over come it.

SherriA you are a lil too deep for me girl… I know that I’m coming across like I think I know everything, but that’s not what I’m trying to do. I’m just trying to open eyes.

Back to rain… I’m sorry about anything taken the wrong way.

buffykins

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RE: Slave registry - 3/29/2004 2:29:14 PM

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buffykins

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I know that I’m coming across like I think I know everything, but that’s not what I’m trying to do. I’m just trying to open eyes.

You're making quite an impression so far! hmmm, are you related to iwillserveu, perchance?

Any other thoughts on the slave registry out there?

~rain~

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RE: Slave registry - 3/29/2004 4:46:09 PM

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buffykins, I really think you should quit being so shy. Open up and let everyone know what you really think.

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RE: Slave registry - 3/29/2004 7:33:18 PM

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"“if you know you have a problem with emotional triggers, you should work through them” if you have a problem being referred to by a number then look with in yourself and learn (intelligence) why you don’t like it and see if you can over come it."

what if i don't have a problem with those triggers? i honestly don't think that mine are a bad thing. i don't like number tattoos. it makes me think of bad things. i don't think that's unhealthy. it's not like i freak out about it. it's a -personal- thing. if someone else wants it, then go for it.

it =is= along the lines of renaming, yes, and i've discovered that is not for me either. i worked hard for my identity, and my name is part of that. i feel like i've been through a lot to be comfortable with who i am. it is that person that i offer my Master and my Mistress. for me, offering them service as myself, with my name, is offering all of me. if they wanted to change my name it'd feel like they were rejecting me. that my submissive nature had to be sepereated somehow from my "real" nature. i feel like i've worked hard to unify all those bits into one person.

this is JUST ME. it is how i feel. if my Master or Mistress wanted to rename me, who knows if i'd change my mind, but as they're happy with my name (or "girl" or "you" or...yeah) then i don't have to worry about it.

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RE: Slave registry - 3/31/2004 7:13:58 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: perverseangelic
*snippage*
what if i don't have a problem with those triggers? i honestly don't think that mine are a bad thing. i don't like number tattoos. it makes me think of bad things. i don't think that's unhealthy. it's not like i freak out about it. it's a -personal- thing. if someone else wants it, then go for it.
*snippage*
this is JUST ME. it is how i feel. if my Master or Mistress wanted to rename me, who knows if i'd change my mind, but as they're happy with my name (or "girl" or "you" or...yeah) then i don't have to worry about it.

Well said. It is a personal thing. If it works for you, then great, if it doesn't then go on and forget about it. In this lifestyle any attempt to make a blanket statement that something, some action, some website is "Wrong" doesn't usually get very far. *laugh* There are always others who think that the thing, action or website in question is "Right". As for the Slave Registry - it obviously appeals to some - judging by the number of registered slaves. Does that acceptance make it right? Nope, but nor does it make it wrong. It simply is.

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RE: Slave registry - 4/10/2004 6:36:52 AM

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The slave registry is a place to show status and/or pride in who and what you are. A slave typically has the right to leave the relationship. Had you looked at some of the profiles, you would have seen the pride and joy some subs/slaves have in their lifestyle.

If this does not sit well with you, you don't have to register.

D.

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RE: Slave registry - 4/10/2004 12:46:40 PM

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ShadowHwk wins the door prize for the right answer on this issue.

The internet slave registry is no more legally binding then holding a wedding ceremony in a chat room.

This isnt to say it has no value to those who enjoy it... but for my purposes, the only symbol of ownership that has any real meaning for me is a band of steel (well, silver actually) wrapped around a womans neck. Online collaring to me, smacks of internet marriage, with just as great a potential for disastor.

Again, I am only speaking for myself - and welcome others to enjoy their lives in whatever manner makes them happiest.

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RE: Slave registry - 4/17/2004 5:51:58 PM

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"Slave Registry" is the handiwork of Thanos who has been something of an Internet presence over the years, with both sites and discussion groups under his umbrella. On the more serious side, Thanos is one of the better known proponents of Internal Enslavement and, while I don't see eye-to-eye with him regarding some of his beliefs, that's merely a difference of perspective, as I do respect the fact that he has developed his philsophy and beliefs intelligently.

"Slave Registry" began life as, essentially, a "personals" site and my guess, although I don't know this for sure, is that the certificate and the number and the bar code probably had as much to do with differentiating his site with some marketing spin as anything else. Since I've been on a couple of discussion lists with Thanos and have joked about wondering whether there's also a secret membership decoder ring as well and didn't get any flack about it, my guess is that Thanos probably didn't have in mind that the "Registry" would get taken as seriously as it has by some.

About a year ago Thanos disabled the "personals" capability of the site because, according to the statement he made when he did so, the site was being abused. Thanos takes the M/s or O/p way of life seriously, and I believe abuse by trolls would bother him.

Now all that's left is the registration capability, which seems to have taken on a life of its own. But, and I believe Thanos would be the first to agree (but I might be wrong), there is nothing "official" about it. Unlike Hebrew National Hot Dogs, those of us who pursue this way of life have no higher authority to answer to except our sense of commitment.

Michael

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RE: Slave registry - 4/17/2004 6:34:23 PM

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I'm posting this correction here and to the same topic in the Submissives forum as well. The owner of the "Slave Registry" site's name is Tanos, not Thanos, as I'd spelled it in my posts. One of my favorite poems is "Thanatopsis", and the "h" just sort of finds its way in.

Michael

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RE: Slave registry - 4/17/2004 7:16:12 PM

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quote:

I'm posting this correction here and to the same topic in the Submissives forum as well. The owner of the "Slave Registry" site's name is Tanos, not Thanos, as I'd spelled it in my posts. One of my favorite poems is "Thanatopsis", and the "h" just sort of finds its way in.

Michael

::smiles:: not a big deal Sir. But so you know, on your own posts there is an *edit* button that allows to go to back and correct those little things,,,

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RE: Slave registry - 4/20/2004 1:29:44 PM

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A slave registry sounds like a great idea. I am ready to sign up. I will relocate, prefer California, because of my work. but I can work anywhere.

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RE: Slave registry - 4/21/2004 9:09:06 AM

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Well said Darklite.

It is with pride that stormi is registered there and has been since
the HIGH LEATHER ceremony of Master Bear ko laring this girl.

Thank you and hats off to you for being one of the few that post that
seems to actually have a full grasp on what is going on for the lifestyle
and understanding that it's truly ok to be who/what you are and
live life as you wish whether it's TOP/bottom, Dom/sub, Master/slave.

Respectfully,
stormi
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RE: Slave registry - 4/21/2004 9:18:12 AM

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"being one of the few that post that
seems to actually have a full grasp on what is going on for the lifestyle
and understanding that it's truly ok to be who/what you are and
live life as you wish whether it's TOP/bottom, Dom/sub, Master/slave. "

i think that's a bit judegmental based on the posts in this thread, no? i think you missed that a lot of the people posting here (and in the other thread by the same name) say that they having nothing against the slave registry, except personally. that is, they are -personally- rubbed the wrong way by it, both because it seems to offer some sort of pretend commitment and, because for some the idea of being assigned a number sits wrong.

the pretened commitment is -not- meant as a slight. rather, i want to point out that a commitment is only as strong as the people who enter into it. by registering yourself, or being registered by your owner, nothing is more...hm....more "official" except if the parties invovled have chosen to accept it as more official.

i am upset by the fact that because someone does not like the slave registry, or would prefer not to be registered, they are somehow uncomfortable with their identity. i understand it can be a thing of pride. you need to understand that that isn't the case with all individuals. because their pride in being master/mistress/slave/bottom/ad infinitum -isn't- expressed through acceptance of a slave registry, they are not any LESS or any less comfortable with their role.

~s

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RE: Slave registry - 4/21/2004 11:32:45 AM

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the context of the statement is that from what has been read on this and other post there seems to be alot .......... more than it was certainly thought prior to reading all the post here ...... that think that it is NOT ok to be who you are.

There does seem to be an abundance of folks that do like to think themselves experts on this or that.

For this girl........she is comfortable and very happy with her role in life.

If you take slight in the comment then it is unfortunant, it was not intended to do so.
The registry is a ... unusual way for others to see the commitment of two on the site.

Consider this...... IF you knew that your Master went out of His way to make something
a certificate of sorts for you welcoming you and claiming you so to speak. IS it legally binding? NO........... IS it fun.... does it show that He was thinking of you and wanted you to have something FROM HIM just to see you smile????
You bet it does.... atleast for this girl.

BTW, the registry does work for us, as well as my well thought out certificate that Master had framed for me. They hang on our wall. It is with pride that stormi looks at them and it is with the emotion of a cared for slave that stormi beams when she thinks of the fact that Master wanted to do some little something for her.

So if you were insulted. Please look again there are no fingers pointed. What there was.. was an observation that MANY here do not believe or TYPE that it's ok to be who or what you are. Sometimes it comes across that if you don't live as them you are wrong.

So be it.

Our lives, as Master says, works for us. That is truly all that matters.
My hat is STILL off to Darklite for being one of the FEW that this girl has read and felt had a true grasp on the fact it's ok to be who you are as long as it works for YOU.

be well all,
stormi
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RE: Slave registry - 4/21/2004 2:47:26 PM

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thank you very much for explaining. i think it missread your intent, as is it so easy to do online.

clarification was appreciated.

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RE: Slave registry - 4/27/2004 6:36:43 AM

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Greetings,

I felt I had to jump in on this topic. While parallels can be drawn between human beings with registration numbers forced on them in concentration camps and tattooing a registration number on one's slave, if you look hard enough at something you can draw parallels between it and any number of other things.

My point is that every person's relationship with their significant other is different, and what they do with each other exists within the confines of that relationship. If person A feels it is reminiscent of the Holocaust, I would not ask her to get a tattoo of her registration number.

But that is just me. I dont spend much time thinking in terms of infinitives.

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Personally, I wouldn't want to tattoo a bar code on any of pets.

There is a part of the movie Johnny Dangerously where he is putting sku tags on kittens in the pet store. So my question here is "How do you scan your sub at the checkout line without a bar code?"

Sinergy

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RE: Slave registry - 4/27/2004 6:57:24 AM

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quote:

quote:

Personally, I wouldn't want to tattoo a bar code on any of pets.

In response to this statement.............. while most Master's will not loose their slaves... on a serious note.

This girl's brother was able to identify his English Bulldog from the scan bar under the upper lip. Also know of a horse owner who had two prized roping horses stolen. THREE YEARS later they were located at an auction when a potential buyer was looking at the teeth and noticed the tatoo. Turns out the buyer......... was a true blue TEXAS RANGER.
The seller got 6 yrs in prison. Seem he would sale the horses.. then steal them again to resale them.

Just a little thing to make you go "WOW" who would have thought....

stormi

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RE: Slave registry - 4/27/2004 8:55:41 AM

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On that note: There is an implant now for pets and I had one for my chocolate lab. Because of that, when she was stolen from my property several years ago and sold to someone else, the new owners took her to the vet and the implant was detected. She was returned to me and the thief/seller was caught and prosecuted.

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RE: Slave registry - 4/27/2004 9:48:01 AM

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^5 Ma'am.

Best thing ever to come around for pet owners... be it horses, cattle, dogs, cats ect.....

Have a terrific Day!!!

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