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RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 10:26:06 AM

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What more beautiful way to heal that site, then to show those who committed this act that we do not embrace their religious war and they can take their extremism and stick it up their ass than to put a Mosque at Ground Zero? That is a huge statement that says we are far above them when it comes to standing for the principals we are supposed to have, namely, that we are free to believe in anything we want and worship however we like... this is what makes us strong...

Excellent !

Yes and she didn't feel the need to drag Bush, kool aid or racism into the post like the poster following her did. I have to wonder if housesub was drooling while typing that rant. But back to the topic. I can understand the ones who are fighting this. I don't really agree with them, but I understand the point. Maybe if I lost someone in an attack like that I would feel differently, but hopefully I will never find out. What I don't understand is why this specific site is to important to the ones wanting to build. Is it really that important that it be constructed there and why? If I were going to build a church and ran into this kind of emotion and anger, unless there was no were else for me to go, I would build elsewhere. There has to be some way of coming to a compromise with out all the hate and bs.

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RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 10:32:27 AM

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What SaintIntensity means is specifically Article 11:

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Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

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"The Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion".
Treaty of Tripoli, yes?

Some Americans deny their own national origins in pursuit of their personal bigotry.
I wonder if any nation hates America as much as she hates herself?

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RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 10:33:44 AM

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I can understand the rants... in a country where a certain percentage of people completely freaked out because Obama has the middle name "Husein" it shows you how divided the American people are based upon fear and ignorance

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RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 10:36:10 AM

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I guess what surprises me is all the HATE from the right about this. Where were their complaints when a Mosque was built into the Pentagon?? I mean if one can be built there and they did not care (or could it be political) why should this matter. It can not be seem from ground zero (and we all know the Right has NEVER lied or taken advantage of that place) and it will have no outside emblems about the religion.

Seems to me, just another thing to raise hell about instead of answering questions about their agenda and their plans to help the middle class. We all know how they support the top 2%

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RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 10:39:28 AM

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Maybe New York just changed from a blue state to a red state.

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RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 10:39:33 AM

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Obama seems intent on committing political suicide. This will not be forgotten in 2012.

He can't do anything to stop it, even if he wanted to (and who's to say he doesn't?). I think he would rather stay out of the issue, not because he doesn't want to, but because, conservatives are just to stupid to understand why he cant (He *IS* President of the United States you know?). I'm sure it would be quite an interesting conversation, really, to hear his views on the whole issue.

Unfortunately, it seems, most conservatives have a hard time, understanding 'FREEDOM....OF.....RELIGION'.

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RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 10:40:26 AM

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The New Yorker has an interesting piece about the proposed mosque.

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RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 10:40:29 AM

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Maybe New York just changed from a blue state to a red state.

You are always doing this delusional thought process whereby republicans win all the elections... how is that working for you

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RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 10:41:56 AM

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uhhhhhhh............you should know that there is at least one shinto shrine in the vicinity of pearl harbor and it flys an american flag, several in honolulu, in fact.

KKK and MLK? Not in the same universe as to be likened to this situation.
same applies for wounded knee.

The part about Hawaii surprises me to be honest, but I will take your word on that one.

I think the point she was trying to make, and I agree with, is it would add insult to injury to more people than it would help.

I am all about us getting past the all muslims are evil thing, but, for me, putting that mosque at ground zero is not the way to do it.

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RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 10:42:03 AM

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Yes and of course Sarah Palin wasted no time tweeting about it (no doubt from some state other than NY).

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RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 10:42:56 AM

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Use your common sense. No one would have said a word if the Mosque had been built before 9/11. Which explains why the Pentagon probably has a Mosque in it. 9/11 is a sacred site now, and it is completely disrespectful to build a mosque that looks down on this sacred site. Now if it were a 2 story Mosque, I doubt anyone would say a word, but this Mosque is of such magnitude that it seems obvious to people with common sense that it is purposely making a statement. Think about it. The Twin towers a symbol to America's capitalism is destroyed. But a Massive Mosque, looking down on the site will now be the sacred site.

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RE: ABM Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 10:45:45 AM

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"Ground Zero Mosque supporters: doesn't it stab you in the heart, as it does ours throughout the heartland? Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate

I live in Chicago, the fucking heart of the heartland.

The fact that she assumes to speak for Americans pisses me off.

I fucking loath her.

Incidentally, "refudiate" is NOT a word

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RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 10:46:54 AM

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uhhhhhhh............you should know that there is at least one shinto shrine in the vicinity of pearl harbor and it flys an american flag, several in honolulu, in fact.

KKK and MLK? Not in the same universe as to be likened to this situation.
same applies for wounded knee.

The part about Hawaii surprises me to be honest, but I will take your word on that one.

I think the point she was trying to make, and I agree with, is it would add insult to injury to more people than it would help.

I am all about us getting past the all muslims are evil thing, but, for me, putting that mosque at ground zero is not the way to do it.

Yeah, well, there is a huge faction out there that is looking for ways to be oppressed or browned off about some shit.

Now, in all this misery, I don't see anyone giving the US back to the natives or dropping them dogfuck states back on Mexico.

Freakazoid shit like this is why there were american internment camps that held american people of japenese (actually asian) decent denying their rights and devastating their lives because of mindless panic and hysteronics.

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RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 10:52:08 AM

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uhhhhhhh............you should know that there is at least one shinto shrine in the vicinity of pearl harbor and it flys an american flag, several in honolulu, in fact.

KKK and MLK? Not in the same universe as to be likened to this situation.
same applies for wounded knee.

The part about Hawaii surprises me to be honest, but I will take your word on that one.

I think the point she was trying to make, and I agree with, is it would add insult to injury to more people than it would help.

I am all about us getting past the all muslims are evil thing, but, for me, putting that mosque at ground zero is not the way to do it.

Yeah, well, there is a huge faction out there that is looking for ways to be oppressed or browned off about some shit.

Now, in all this misery, I don't see anyone giving the US back to the natives or dropping them dogfuck states back on Mexico.

Freakazoid shit like this is why there were american internment camps that held american people of japenese (actually asian) decent denying their rights and devastating their lives because of mindless panic and hysteronics.

Gawd I fukin hate it when someone makes me think I could be wrong about something!

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RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 10:53:32 AM

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Use your common sense. No one would have said a word if the Mosque had been built before 9/11. Which explains why the Pentagon probably has a Mosque in it. 9/11 is a sacred site now, and it is completely disrespectful to build a mosque that looks down on this sacred site. Now if it were a 2 story Mosque, I doubt anyone would say a word, but this Mosque is of such magnitude that it seems obvious to people with common sense that it is purposely making a statement. Think about it. The Twin towers a symbol to America's capitalism is destroyed. But a Massive Mosque, looking down on the site will now be the sacred site.

Neither site is "sacred" to me. I do think the site of the twin towers should be memorialized, but "sacred"? Um, no. I don't think Pearl Harbor is "sacred" either. You are couching this in religious terms, which is part of the problem for you and some people who are opposed to this... you are threatened that Islam will dominate Christianity... and you are caught up in the symbolism of this supposed domination.

Personally, I am not a Christian or a Muslim, I have no "dog" in this fight and all I want is for you fuckers to get along... so shake hands and play nice and learn how to share. Oh, many Muslims died on 911 in the towers....so it might be sacred to them, too, just a thought. Here is an incomplete list of Muslims that lost their lives that day... which is something to consider before you hate on them:

Samad Afridi
Ashraf Ahmad
Shabbir Ahmad (45 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and 3 children)
Umar Ahmad
Azam Ahsan
Ahmed Ali
Tariq Amanullah (40 years old; Fiduciary Trust Co.; ICNA website team member; leaves wife and 2 children)
Touri Bolourchi (69 years old; United Airlines #175; a retired nurse from Tehran)
Salauddin Ahmad Chaudhury
Abdul K. Chowdhury (30 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Mohammad S. Chowdhury (39 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and child born 2 days after the attack)
Jamal Legesse Desantis
Ramzi Attallah Douani (35 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
SaleemUllah Farooqi
Syed Fatha (54 years old; Pitney Bowes)
Osman Gani
Mohammad Hamdani (50 years old)
Salman Hamdani (NYPD Cadet)
Aisha Harris (21 years old; General Telecom)
Shakila Hoque (Marsh & McLennan)
Nabid Hossain
Shahzad Hussain
Talat Hussain
Mohammad Shah Jahan (Marsh & McLennan)
Yasmeen Jamal
Mohammed Jawarta (MAS security)
Arslan Khan Khakwani
Asim Khan
Ataullah Khan
Ayub Khan
Qasim Ali Khan
Sarah Khan (32 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Taimour Khan (29 years old; Karr Futures)
Yasmeen Khan
Zahida Khan
Badruddin Lakhani
Omar Malick
Nurul Hoque Miah (36 years old)
Mubarak Mohammad (23 years old)
Boyie Mohammed (Carr Futures)
Raza Mujtaba
Omar Namoos
Mujeb Qazi
Tarranum Rahim
Ehtesham U. Raja (28 years old)
Ameenia Rasool (33 years old)
Naveed Rehman
Yusuf Saad
Rahma Salie & unborn child (28 years old; American Airlines #11; wife of Michael Theodoridis; 7 months pregnant)
Shoman Samad

http://islam.about.com/blvictims.htm

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RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 10:56:26 AM

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Use your common sense. No one would have said a word if the Mosque had been built before 9/11. Which explains why the Pentagon probably has a Mosque in it. 9/11 is a sacred site now, and it is completely disrespectful to build a mosque that looks down on this sacred site. Now if it were a 2 story Mosque, I doubt anyone would say a word, but this Mosque is of such magnitude that it seems obvious to people with common sense that it is purposely making a statement. Think about it. The Twin towers a symbol to America's capitalism is destroyed. But a Massive Mosque, looking down on the site will now be the sacred site.

Forgive me, but I always understood the Twin Towers to be called the World Trade Centre, where does World Trade mean just US capitalism. Are you forgetting in that attack not just Americans were killed, but many foreigners who represented their country/company from other parts of the world, and if memory serves me well, there was muslims killed there too, but they would have been seen as expendable for the greater good the terrorists sought.

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RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 10:59:23 AM

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I think it is naive to consider the attack was aimed at anything other than the US.

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RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 11:01:39 AM

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I think it is naive to consider the attack was aimed at anything other than the US.

I think it is highly naive to think it was only aimed at the US, and not the West in general... and not at individuals at all. Islamic terrorism came late to the USA, and Europe has been experiencing it for far longer than we have.

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RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 11:08:24 AM

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Exactly, that's is what made it such a great event for those who perpetrated it.

It was a successful attempt on U.S. soil.

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RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 - 8/14/2010 11:15:34 AM

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I am all about us getting past the all muslims are evil thing, but, for me, putting that mosque at ground zero is not the way to do it.

It isn't at Ground Zero. It isn't visible in any way from Ground Zero.

This is simple, a building has been bought and the owner wishes to use it for a fully legal purpose protected by our Constitution but suddenly the party that howls about freedom from government suddenly wants the government to forbid this person from exercising his property rights.

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