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RE: Fighting Back - 4/21/2006 6:01:36 AM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Status: offline 		OK downside- feeling really sore and being all scratched and bit up in marks that you had no idea existed the next day, in very obvious places. 

But nothing gets my voyeuristic juices flowing more than watching a top/bottom seriously wrestle down with eachother.

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RE: Fighting Back - 4/21/2006 8:51:57 AM   
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RE: Fighting Back - 4/21/2006 9:05:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Quite often, after something is particularly primal, one would be hard pressed to figure out who's the masochist and who's the sadist in our relationship because you certainly couldn't tell by who's carrying around the most marks. ;)

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RE: Fighting Back - 4/21/2006 11:16:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Quite often, after something is particularly primal, one would be hard pressed to figure out who's the masochist and who's the sadist in our relationship because you certainly couldn't tell by who's carrying around the most marks. ;)

Celeste

LOL, that is very true for us also.

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RE: Fighting Back - 4/21/2006 11:22:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I loooove the idea of fighting back.. in normal human nature if someone is assailing you, if you can't run away, you fight back. That absense of the "fight or flight" response can be unnerving to me. If I'm cursing or yelling at someone who has no way to get out of the situation I expect them to fight back because it's what we'd normally do. Granted there are nicities to bearing it gracefully, but at the same time, if I'm getting all riled up, I want my partner to as well.

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RE: Fighting Back - 4/21/2006 6:18:46 PM   
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The best thing I could suggest is  make sure both parties know what they are getting into, it's not for everybody. The power exchange it brings can be an incredilbe rush in itself as well as a bonding experience.

I hope this helps a bit 
take care *s*

denika



Thanks Denika, I'm really starting to get a sense of how resisting can actually strengthen the sense of D/s. One more wonderful contradiction about BDSM. LOL

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RE: Fighting Back - 4/21/2006 6:20:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

OK downside- feeling really sore and being all scratched and bit up in marks that you had no idea existed the next day, in very obvious places. 


Ah, that's definitely something to consider. Thanks LA.

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RE: Fighting Back - 4/21/2006 7:15:42 PM   
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Would you say that you have noticed any downsides to this type of play? After effects? Or are there any caveats you'd like to share? Anything you wouldn't recommend?


I really enjoy primal play, more than any other type.  It is a way for me to be completely free in my behaviors and emotions.  Many people throughout the years have commented on how "unemotional" I am, when in fact just the opposite is true.  I am just very good at managing them and at times I tend to suppress certain things.  During this type of play I can just completely let go and vent, rage, scream, cry, laugh, curse… whatever comes to mind I just do it.  I become hyper-aware of everything going on around me.  Generally, I am focused on just my Lord, but I hear the gasps, the shock in voices and I see the double-takes, the stares.  I know where he is without having to look and as he can attest, I can be extremely accurate with my kicks.  I rarely go into a deep subspace in this type of play.  I more flirt on the edges and mainly because he intentionally yanks me out of it and keeps me fighting.

After play, I am euphoric, full of energy and horny as hell.  I find I need less aftercare with this type of play than with any other.  Of course, maybe the aftercare that I need is just lots of hard sex and not cuddling.  In the days afterwards as I start to come down from my high, I have to watch myself and make sure that I don’t slide too far.  I have only dropped too far once; typically I am good at making sure that my thoughts and emotions just come back to an even level.

The only downside that I can think of is that showers hurt like hell the next couple of days and often so do clothes, but being a masochist that isn’t really a downside now is it?  Just writing all this has started a craving.  He has already started planning the next one with me and he is calling it “A Bloody Mess”.  I think that is going to be my back when he is finished.  *g*

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RE: Fighting Back - 4/21/2006 11:06:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vancouver_cinful


Thanks Denika, I'm really starting to get a sense of how resisting can actually strengthen the sense of D/s. One more wonderful contradiction about BDSM. LOL

Cin


You are very welcome. *s*  Hmm bruises as a downside... I look at them as one of the perks

One of the best things with BDSM is  that there isn't  "ONE WAY"  some may think there is but  really it is all about the indivdual relationships and what they interpret  it to mean for them, as well as what works for them.  What I consider SM or D/s someone else might  not, that is what makes it so intricate, there is always something new to explore  and learn.

denika

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RE: Fighting Back - 4/22/2006 1:26:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm.  . I thought that "fighting back" was fun.  Oh yeah. . . it is. . . for so many reasons.

I do not "get" the "I would never do that with Master" post, that seems to me to be self-sublimation. . . why not spice it up?  We are all aware that you are Sub/Slave. . . you do not have to prove it with your posts. . . I think that the theme is . . . be yourself with this type of play.  Enjoy. . .

Like so many have said. . . communication is the key. . .

Best,

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RE: Fighting Back - 4/22/2006 3:21:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Caged animals will eventually lose their spirit and die inside.  We're not that far from the forests, so there is still part of us that we are caging inside of us.  Letting it die means letting a part of ourselves die.

I indulge my primal side regularly, just rarely with other human beings.  They tend to just be a bit on the fragile side and take so long to heal. LOL

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RE: Fighting Back - 5/4/2006 12:13:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Any primal play is likely dangerous normally but at least there is still some sense of control, but what happens when there is a chance of it being out of control? The point i'm making is that lets say I have a domme, the standard female of 150 pounds and below, a couple inches shorter than me [i'm only 5'10....I hate being short] wouldent have much chance if trying to combat me just by herself, lets not even mention any training I have. A good system in such a case would either that I would need multiple athletic, strong dommes in primal play [damn happy if that would happen but unlikely] Or if my mistress denotes some limits, something as simple as saying "Tiger, 50 percent"  gives me some idea of where to go, as i'm sure other BDSM areas have such ways [I think i rememebr something a long long time ago of green yellow and red light? Familiar anyone?] to limit the extremes.

The psyche of the sub also has a great deal to do with it, I'm a fighter, so when i'm put in such an enviroment, I see my mistress, but her actual position of who she is is suddenly put in the back of my mind, up front I see an opponent, my objective being to attack or defend myself, to defeat...to destroy them. This is where such danger comes to bear, though I have enough self control to not go too far, and to keep it within the parameters.

Basically I enjoy being the animal, hunted down for pleasure, Tiger aint just the name after all, I have a tendancy to purr when pleased [no faking I actually do purr unconsiously, no tounge stuff either] and growl when angered and in primal play.

Hm...feels more like I got soemthing out here...lol

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RE: Fighting Back - 5/4/2006 12:28:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, I see the dilema. Are you adverse to having men involved? I know a Mistress who had several burly Doms do the actual kidnapping for a captive scene. Once the male was bound, then she stepped in and took over.

Oh, and 5'10" is not short for a man. It's actually a bit above average. I'm 5'2", my daughter is 27 and 4'10". Now that's short.

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RE: Fighting Back - 5/4/2006 12:42:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Eh, that wouldent be a very good idea, when I see a guy coming for me, much less a group I will fight back at 100 percent, this results in people getting really, really, really hurt. With a mistress or mistresses It at least serves as some kind of reminder of what the scenario is even in the heat of passion. I know this is someone who in a peaceful situation I would submit fully to, who after it all I would cuddle up with and nuzzle into, that this is a primal, violent and combative game, but still game.

Now put a male in her place instead, in a kidnap scenario, on the street.  I'll likely do what I can to tear the son of a bitch apart. lol

Awww you're very kind ma'am, but its easy to feel a bit...sub standard when you normally are around guys above 6 feet.

But at least it teaches you how to take down guys alot bigger than you. lol

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RE: Fighting Back - 5/4/2006 12:43:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		You could use a belt with restraints. This would limit your reach and the resistance you could apply. You can consider what exactly you need to do to give her the + 1 advantage. Leg irons and restraints, chains, etc…
 Respectively

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RE: Fighting Back - 5/4/2006 12:48:42 AM   
Rumtiger


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Status: offline 		The percentage system works well without much physical restraint, we used it all the time in SK when a higher rank would practice with a lower belt. The lower would go at 100, the higher would gauge the opponent and lower thier skill level appropriatly to make it a more even match. Even in a full on primal play scenario tehre is enough self control to do it..after all its not like i'm crazy lol. I just like having fun.

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RE: Fighting Back - 5/4/2006 1:11:49 AM   
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The percentage system works well without much physical restraint, we used it all the time in SK when a higher rank would practice with a lower belt. The lower would go at 100, the higher would gauge the opponent and lower thier skill level appropriatly to make it a more even match. Even in a full on primal play scenario tehre is enough self control to do it..after all its not like i'm crazy lol. I just like having fun.


Okay. Maybe I reading you wrong. I think earlier you said that you would take down any men. That's fair. But just maybe a Mistres might enjoy primal play from you, too.

Ever think of the Amazon women? Well known women warriors. Yes, according to history they are just myths. But what if they weren't? These women could have taken any plus one and more and sat back and grinned.

Not to make you any less of a man, but because these women were STRONG in myth at least. Maybe some other women would enjoy seeing you play out that primal play, too. Rememeber that a LOT of women do like get hot over that plus one :)

Ignore me. Most people do. Just my opinon though.


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RE: Fighting Back - 5/4/2006 1:31:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wont ignore you, Amazon women are my fantasy, in fact on my first post here I said an amazon woman would be most happily be seen by me in primal play. [Athletic, Strong domme] My whole posts have been around having primal play with a mistress, hell my dream woman is one who can take me down with me trying to resist and not having to tone it down.

Case in point, the last woman who I was in a very serious relationship with, we where vanilla, but she was gorgeous, and dangerous, highly trained in Judo, Aikido, Jeet Kune Do, and  Jiujitsu, her personal style adapted mroe to using momentum to bring opponents on their back before they knew what was going on,, whenever we sparred I always ALWAYS went to the ground the second I attempted any kind of move, leaving me dazed, she was always able to take me down with the least minimal effort, and considering my size and training comparable to hers thats quite the feat, she was avaerage height 5'6 , about 120 pounds. The kind of girl that gets hit on like crazy at a bar.

.....and now that the knife in my heart just got twisted another few degrees i'll finish up my point.

I play with girls.

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RE: Fighting Back - 5/4/2006 6:15:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Like any sort of play- you start slow and build up.  There's no need to go all out of whack the first time you do a struggling scene.  Over time, a few different experiences, you learn eachothers reactions and where you want to go.  In some of the takedown scenes I've been in, we could be all in the middle of biting and kicking and suddenly I will yelp due to some unintentional hairpulling and we'll take a moment to breath- because that's not the place we wanted to go.  Other times, an unintentional hair pulling will just ramp the scene up even more.

So go slow and build up, gaining experiences together will let you both know exactly how far you can go out and when- and over time, you won't really have to hold back at all.

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RE: Fighting Back - 5/4/2006 6:29:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I dont really go out of whack or anything lol. I just like to get into the moment more hard, more animalistic, but thank you, I really do wish I could do this sort of play more often.

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