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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/11/2010 4:46:54 PM

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actually you mean with out the USA the Nazis would have conquered the world. But we understand your pathologically required to run down the USA when ever you can.

Everyone really had a part, soviets Brits, canadians, even the french helped) But the US feeding Guns jeeps, bullets and Food to the Soviets and Brits kept em in the fight.

Now if it hadn't been for the Appeasers the whole thing would have stopped in Poland. But the Peaceniks won out, so millions had to die.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/11/2010 4:50:46 PM

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after ww 1 the Kellog Briand treaty was enacted outlawing war. Does that count?

It is a pity it was useless.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/11/2010 4:59:17 PM

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actually you mean with out the USA the Nazis would have conquered the world. But we understand your pathologically required to run down the USA when ever you can.

Everyone really had a part, soviets Brits, canadians, even the french helped) But the US feeding Guns jeeps, bullets and Food to the Soviets and Brits kept em in the fight.

Now if it hadn't been for the Appeasers the whole thing would have stopped in Poland. But the Peaceniks won out, so millions had to die.

Peaceniks ! You havent got a clue about history. After WW1 no one had the stomach for mass carnage again. I certainly dont recall the US rushing to stop Hitler prior to Poland. You claim to dislike people making issues either left or right, yet revert to it all the time.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/11/2010 5:12:03 PM

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Aye true if it were not for the Yanks Hitler might well have achieved his aim, but I understand the US industrial mechaisation was not for free, the US made a fair bit of cash out of that.

Then there is the Jewish question, did it not bother the US that hitler wanted to wipe them out and if he succeeded in Europe perhaps America would be next, was there no concern from your own citizens.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/11/2010 6:58:48 PM

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It was the liberals that pushed the civil rights legislation through congress

Spin it as you wish, but it is a matter of simple historical fact that a higher percentage of Rs than Dims voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/11/2010 7:02:14 PM

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Is your sarcasm detector broken?

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/11/2010 7:13:46 PM

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Spin it as you wish, but it is a matter of simple historical fact that a higher percentage of Rs than Dims voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

The vote for the 1964 civil rights act occurred largely along geographical lines, not party lines. Now for your elucidation there used to be a species of politician called "liberal republican". It was those "Rockefeller republicans" that carried the act. After 1964 the GOP drifted to the right until it is now a miasma of the incredibly racist, the ultra-conservative, and the religious fundamentalists. All three have differing agendas, that are pretty much incompatible with one another.

You need a better grasp of history than you display here.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 3:47:06 AM

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actually you mean with out the USA the Nazis would have conquered the world. But we understand your pathologically required to run down the USA when ever you can.

Everyone really had a part, soviets Brits, canadians, even the french helped) But the US feeding Guns jeeps, bullets and Food to the Soviets and Brits kept em in the fight.

Now if it hadn't been for the Appeasers the whole thing would have stopped in Poland. But the Peaceniks won out, so millions had to die.

Peaceniks ! You havent got a clue about history. After WW1 no one had the stomach for mass carnage again. I certainly dont recall the US rushing to stop Hitler prior to Poland. You claim to dislike people making issues either left or right, yet revert to it all the time.

I don't recall making that claim (I dislike people using left/right), and use that distinction often.

However I didn't in this post.

There were many reasons people opposed acting against Hitler, before it was too late. Its a rather long book, but the short version is the peaceniks won out, so a much worse war than needed had to be fought.

I understand people didn't want the carnage of ww1. But the reality is they got worse.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 1:34:26 PM

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Peaceniks ! You havent got a clue about history. After WW1 no one had the stomach for mass carnage again. I certainly dont recall the US rushing to stop Hitler prior to Poland. You claim to dislike people making issues either left or right, yet revert to it all the time.

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Arthur Neville Chamberlain (18 March 1869 – 9 November 1940) was a British Conservative politician who served as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom from May 1937 to May 1940. Chamberlain is best known for his appeasement foreign policy, and in particular for his signing of the Munich Agreement in 1938, conceding the Sudetenland region of Czechoslovakia to Nazi Germany.

Britain and France did nothing when Germany re-militarized the Rhineland in 1936, in fact, Great Britain and France did nothing while Germany rebuilt its military through out the 30's. It was only after Germany invaded Poland that anyone did anything to stop Hitler.

And for the record, the United States really pushed its neutrality in the early days of the war.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 2:40:08 PM

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Among the 1,003 adults Pew polled in August, 30 percent said they have a favorable view of Islam while 38 percent said they have an unfavorable view and 32 percent offered no opinion. By contrast, in 2005 41 percent expressed a favorable view and 36 percent were unfavorable toward Islam.

With regard to politics, 54 percent of Republican respondents expressed an unfavorable view of Islam and 21 percent were favorable. Independents were more unfavorable than favorable, 40 percent to 28 percent, and 41 percent of Democrats were favorable while 27 percent were unfavorable, Pew said.

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This is interesting.

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"The radicals in the United States and the radicals in the Muslim world, feed off each other. And to a certain extent, the attention that they've been able to get by the media has even aggravated the problem," Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf in an interview with ABC news aired on Sunday.

I do agree that all the anti_Muslim protests are getting too much press, which feeds the protesters. Of course if the media ignored it then someone would complain about that too.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 2:52:28 PM

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If it weren`t for the Brits(and those bastard commie soviets),nazi Germany would have taken over Europe and most of Asia,eventually,the world.

And eventually, putting death camps in every community and enslaving most all people.

The Brits didn`t have to do this.They had an out.They were offered to be left alone if they stayed out of the fight and they said fuck you adolph.

God bless them.

Keep that in mind while you bash the Brits.

I wasn't bashing the brits, I was merely pointing out that their history isn't exactly peace and posies either.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 4:33:57 PM

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I don't recall making that claim (I dislike people using left/right), and use that distinction often.

However I didn't in this post.

There were many reasons people opposed acting against Hitler, before it was too late. Its a rather long book, but the short version is the peaceniks won out, so a much worse war than needed had to be fought.

I understand people didn't want the carnage of ww1. But the reality is they got worse.

More nonsense, Britain lost twice as many people in WW1 than WW2.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 4:49:53 PM

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And I suppose if the only metric that is relevant is the number of British dead, your comment would matter, and not seem ghoulish.

I do understand that you think Brit lives are extra special.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 5:01:27 PM

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And I suppose if the only metric that is relevant is the number of British dead, your comment would matter, and not seem ghoulish.

I do understand that you think Brit lives are extra special.

Dont try and bullshit youre way out. You said we got worse, we didnt. Thats why I provided the figure. In WW2 we lost over 2.2% of our population, in modern day Britain that would account for around 1.3 million. Your original statement was about appeasement, which means Britain and France, since America wasnt interested and no one else was capable.

You have also failed to explain why the US didnt act, if you feel it was so important. I will tell you why, it is because nobody wanted another way. Conservatives, liberals, nobody. So it makes your crass peacenik comments irrelevant.

Your comment about me thinking British lives are special is a snidey dig, because I have often said ALL lives are special. Thats why I blame Bush and Blair for taking us into Iraq.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 5:10:40 PM

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Why would you think "we" means Brits?

By we I mean Humanity.

If you view it as only what happened to The Brits, you obviously feel that Brits are special.

Why are you trying to go COnservative/Liberals/nobody? Thats nonsense.

THe Peaceniks won out. In Europe, In America, In Asia. So a much Worse war had to fought.

Unless you think Brits are special, and since they lost fewer lives thatn in ww1, that makes it better.

I don't recall you ever saying All lives are special.

With your Iraq example you are defining Kurdish lives as less important. And the Kurds did piss off the Brits and not get a country because of it.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 5:36:21 PM

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Why would you think "we" means Brits?

By we I mean Humanity.

So Einstien, explain in the terms of 1930s politics how "Humanity" appeased Hitler, since at the time world politics was localised to a large degree.

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If you view it as only what happened to The Brits, you obviously feel that Brits are special.

Why are you trying to go COnservative/Liberals/nobody? Thats nonsense.

Because, if you had a clue about British history you would know that all parties in the UK were against another war. Certain MP`s, like the Churchill, had suggested action. And yes, we are special.

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THe Peaceniks won out. In Europe, In America, In Asia. So a much Worse war had to fought.

Unless you think Brits are special, and since they lost fewer lives thatn in ww1, that makes it better.

Peaceniks again ! You just dont get it do you, most Europeans had lost family in WW1 and didnt want a repeat, nothing to do with peaceniks. Lets put that into perspective, my grandmothers both lost brothers fathers and uncles, the dont feel like losing sons and nephews as well.

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I don't recall you ever saying All lives are special.

Tough luck, a search will prove me right even if I didnt use those exact words.

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With your Iraq example you are defining Kurdish lives as less important. And the Kurds did piss off the Brits and not get a country because of it.

And yet we have the Islamophibics claiming the US shouldnt be the worlds policemen, you seem to be saying otherwise ? Let me ask you though, do you think the total loss of life in Iraq makes it worth it ? And remember we are talking of a threat to world peace based on lies about Iraqs ability to use WMD`s.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 5:43:05 PM

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No point in even responding. Any honest reader can see you jumping around and contradicitng yourself.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 5:47:01 PM

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No point in even responding. Any honest reader can see you jumping around and contradicitng yourself.

Feel free to point out any contradiction brains.

Hopefully I`m not breaking the TOS eh!

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 5:49:18 PM

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Your comment about me thinking British lives are special is a snidey dig, because I have often said ALL lives are special. post 414

And yes, we are special. post 416

Like I said contrdicting yourself, no point in it.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 5:56:54 PM

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Your comment about me thinking British lives are special is a snidey dig, because I have often said ALL lives are special. post 414

And yes, we are special. post 416

Like I said contrdicting yourself, no point in it.

You are like a six year old who hasnt yet grasped basic English. ( You even claimed to have said we but said they ( IE Others )

You claimed I thought British lives were special, compared to others. I replied I dont.

You then said "If you view it as only what happened to The Brits, you obviously feel that Brits are special." I replied we are special.

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