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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 7:30:38 PM

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Spin it as you wish, but it is a matter of simple historical fact that a higher percentage of Rs than Dims voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

The vote for the 1964 civil rights act occurred largely along geographical lines, not party lines. Now for your elucidation there used to be a species of politician called "liberal republican". It was those "Rockefeller republicans" that carried the act. After 1964 the GOP drifted to the right until it is now a miasma of the incredibly racist, the ultra-conservative, and the religious fundamentalists. All three have differing agendas, that are pretty much incompatible with one another.

You need a better grasp of history than you display here.

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Pogo, how many Republicans voted for the 1964 civil rights act?
How many Democrats voted for the 1964 civil rights act?

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 7:34:56 PM

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Pogo, how many Republicans voted for the 1964 civil rights act?
How many Democrats voted for the 1964 civil rights act?

How many Republicans who voted for the civil rights act are still active members of the party? So disingenuous.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 7:46:23 PM

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Pogo, how many Republicans voted for the 1964 civil rights act?
How many Democrats voted for the 1964 civil rights act?

How many Republicans who voted for the civil rights act are still active members of the party? So disingenuous.

"In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of votes."

That's a quick Google.
And it wasn't just the 1964 civil rights act but *****(25)***** other civil rights votes as well!
Wow!!! That, is an EPIC "FAIL" on the part of the Democrats.
"We're for civil rights!" SUUUUUURE you are!
I didn't know their record was that bad until I just googled it! Thankyou Google.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 7:51:11 PM

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That did not answer the question I asked.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 7:54:01 PM

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That did not answer the question I asked.

I think it's kind of a moot point.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 8:03:06 PM

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Pogo, how many Republicans voted for the 1964 civil rights act?
How many Democrats voted for the 1964 civil rights act?

Don't tease us Professor Popeye, just tell us.

Since you brought it up I'm sure you must have those numbers at your fingertips.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 8:08:47 PM

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"In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of votes."

That's a quick Google.
And it wasn't just the 1964 civil rights act but *****(25)***** other civil rights votes as well!
Wow!!! That, is an EPIC "FAIL" on the part of the Democrats.
"We're for civil rights!" SUUUUUURE you are!
I didn't know their record was that bad until I just googled it! Thankyou Google.

I know you are new here Popeye, but it is customary to source your quotes.

Not to mention that you specifically stated the 1964 Civil Rights legislation but pulled some unknown quote bringing up legislation going back to 1933.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 8:10:34 PM

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Bet that Popeye wont even admit who introduced the Bill to congress in the first place.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 8:28:39 PM

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It's not a phobia if it's a fear based in reality. There's no denying the danger of continuing to allow Muslim immigration, which justifies more building of Mosques that 80% of Americans don't want in their neighborhoods. People don't want to listen to the call to prayer 5 times a day, all traffic stopping, and the eyesore since they build these things on purpose to dwarf all the surrounding neighborhood.

Even more importantly, people are beginning to realize that Muslims have a double standard. They are expanding in Europe, and in North America, yet they deny freedom of religion in their own countries. That's just not right, and Americans have had enough.

There's a joke out there about 2 gay guys walking into a Mosque, and demanding to be married. To which they promptly cut off both of their heads. Oh wait, that's not a joke, that's reality in Muslim countries and it will be here too if we allow Sharia law to take over.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 9:24:49 PM

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Spin it as you wish, but it is a matter of simple historical fact that a higher percentage of Rs than Dims voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/12/2010 9:28:30 PM

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How many Republicans who voted for the civil rights act are still active members of the party? So disingenuous.

Speaking of disingenuous, how many are still alive?

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ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/13/2010 12:01:24 AM

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How many Republicans who voted for the civil rights act are still active members of the party? So disingenuous.

Speaking of disingenuous, how many are still alive?

That was sort of my point. The Republican party of nearly 50 years ago says absolutely nothing about the current Republican party.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/13/2010 4:20:25 AM

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It's not a phobia if it's a fear based in reality. There's no denying the danger of continuing to allow Muslim immigration, which justifies more building of Mosques that 80% of Americans don't want in their neighborhoods. People don't want to listen to the call to prayer 5 times a day, all traffic stopping, and the eyesore since they build these things on purpose to dwarf all the surrounding neighborhood.

Even more importantly, people are beginning to realize that Muslims have a double standard. They are expanding in Europe, and in North America, yet they deny freedom of religion in their own countries. That's just not right, and Americans have had enough.

There's a joke out there about 2 gay guys walking into a Mosque, and demanding to be married. To which they promptly cut off both of their heads. Oh wait, that's not a joke, that's reality in Muslim countries and it will be here too if we allow Sharia law to take over.

So many flaws, so little time. Just an obscure tip though, dont try sitting in London`s Whitechapel Road, even at prayer time.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/13/2010 6:01:51 AM

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It's not a phobia if it's a fear based in reality. There's no denying the danger of continuing to allow Muslim immigration, which justifies more building of Mosques that 80% of Americans don't want in their neighborhoods. People don't want to listen to the call to prayer 5 times a day, all traffic stopping, and the eyesore since they build these things on purpose to dwarf all the surrounding neighborhood.

Even more importantly, people are beginning to realize that Muslims have a double standard. They are expanding in Europe, and in North America, yet they deny freedom of religion in their own countries. That's just not right, and Americans have had enough.

There's a joke out there about 2 gay guys walking into a Mosque, and demanding to be married. To which they promptly cut off both of their heads. Oh wait, that's not a joke, that's reality in Muslim countries and it will be here too if we allow Sharia law to take over.

First, there is no legal way you can deny immigration to only one group of people, it has been tried in the past and was struck down.

Secondly, if you are going to deny Muslims the right to practice their religion, who is next? That is if you can get around the first amendment.

Third, no one calling for Sharia Law in the United States. Add to that the simple fact that there are only 5 countries in the world where Sharia Law is the only law of the land.

11 countries have sharia law in addition to a constitutional law system, which means for the less educated people in the United States, that they dont stone you to death for religious crimes, or require their women to be completely covered. (it is called moderate Islam for the ignorant) They also allow other religions in these countries.

4 Countries have sharia law at the regional level (meaning really moderate countries) They also allow other religions in these countries.

10 countries in which sharia law is only practiced at the family level, (this means that if you want to follow sharia law in areas of dress, etc. it is up to you. You could call it Liberal Islam) They also allow other religions in these countries.

Of course, you really need to work on your knowledge of the constitution, unless you have the idea that the constitution does not apply to everyone.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/13/2010 2:35:55 PM

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Fair enough, perhaps, but certainly true of the Dims as well.

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/13/2010 2:37:45 PM

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First, there is no legal way you can deny immigration to only one group of people, it has been tried in the past and was struck down.

This is so counterintuitive that I would just love to see more.

The US cannot, in your opinion/spin, chose who it wants to let int the country?

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/13/2010 2:39:18 PM

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it is called moderate Islam for the ignorant

insert snark here

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/13/2010 2:48:02 PM

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First, there is no legal way you can deny immigration to only one group of people, it has been tried in the past and was struck down.

This is so counterintuitive that I would just love to see more.

The US cannot, in your opinion/spin, chose who it wants to let int the country?

The United States sets immigration quotas per nation, what you are proposing is to deny immigration to a religion, something that would easily be in violation of the first amendment.

The United States already has a problem with middle eastern and Muslim countries, (many of whom supply us with oil) would you really like to make the problem worse? How would you feel if suddenly there were two prices for oil, one for everyone else and one for the United States?

Let's see, we deny Muslims the right to come to the United States, and OPEC, which is primarily made up of MUSLIM countries (Algeria, Angola, Ecuador, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Venezuela) decide to charge the US $300 a barrel for oil.

That would be real smart.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/13/2010 2:50:07 PM

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Maybe he's fed up of running a trucking company for a living?

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/13/2010 2:50:20 PM

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It's not a phobia if it's a fear based in reality. There's no denying the danger of continuing to allow Muslim immigration, which justifies more building of Mosques that 80% of Americans don't want in their neighborhoods. People don't want to listen to the call to prayer 5 times a day, all traffic stopping, and the eyesore since they build these things on purpose to dwarf all the surrounding neighborhood.

Even more importantly, people are beginning to realize that Muslims have a double standard. They are expanding in Europe, and in North America, yet they deny freedom of religion in their own countries. That's just not right, and Americans have had enough.

There's a joke out there about 2 gay guys walking into a Mosque, and demanding to be married. To which they promptly cut off both of their heads. Oh wait, that's not a joke, that's reality in Muslim countries and it will be here too if we allow Sharia law to take over.

First, there is no legal way you can deny immigration to only one group of people, it has been tried in the past and was struck down.

Secondly, if you are going to deny Muslims the right to practice their religion, who is next? That is if you can get around the first amendment.

Third, no one calling for Sharia Law in the United States. Add to that the simple fact that there are only 5 countries in the world where Sharia Law is the only law of the land.

11 countries have sharia law in addition to a constitutional law system, which means for the less educated people in the United States, that they dont stone you to death for religious crimes, or require their women to be completely covered. (it is called moderate Islam for the ignorant) They also allow other religions in these countries.

4 Countries have sharia law at the regional level (meaning really moderate countries) They also allow other religions in these countries.

10 countries in which sharia law is only practiced at the family level, (this means that if you want to follow sharia law in areas of dress, etc. it is up to you. You could call it Liberal Islam) They also allow other religions in these countries.

Of course, you really need to work on your knowledge of the constitution, unless you have the idea that the constitution does not apply to everyone.

I would like to see some documentation for your lists Jilf, they sound rather interesting and I would like to learn more about the subject.

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