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ORIGINAL: RealSub58

I have made NO personal attacks, only attempted to let you and AS know that he has answered your question indirectly, yet you still try to provoke him even tho he is obviously avoiding/ignoring you both.

This thread is now derailed and I will take my leave of further correspondence.

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

"Teaching" and "Training" are synonyms. However, it has been my experience that "teaching" is used more often when one is dealing with -theory-, and "training" is used more often when dealing with practical instruction. Therefore, anything that provides instruction in a skill or task, particularly by hands-on practice or through immersion in the task/project is, to me, "training". "Teaching", for me, is more of a theoretical, book and/or lecture type of educational experience.

Calla

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ORIGINAL: shellywhite62

It was my hope to fine one with experience to guide me, "train" me, so that the One i do finally call Master will find me worthy.  

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ORIGINAL: shellywhite62
New to this site and these forums, but i read through this entire thread because "training" is exactly what i seek.  Or what i thought i was seeking.  Now i'm not so sure.  All i know is i want to keep learning and growing as a submissive but i'm not in the frame of mind or heart to call another Master for some time.  It was my hope to fine one with experience to guide me, "train" me, so that the One i do finally call Master will find me worthy.  

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: shellywhite62

It was my hope to fine one with experience to guide me, "train" me, so that the One i do finally call Master will find me worthy.  

Nope.

When I find my sub, I will train her.  I will do it my way, to my needs.

Anyone offering to train you is usually trying to get to play with you and/or screw you with no commitment on his part.

If he does, take him up on it IF it does not involve play or sex.  For example, how to balance books to help your future Master's business, etc.  See how long he sticks around...

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

No problem. I'll train you.

a) Find some worthy master
b) obey him

OK, I know that's a bit tongue in cheek.. but really when you get down to it, that's what submission is. It's kind of like checkers. 3 seconds to explain the rules and a life time to master the strategy.

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Nope.

When I find my sub, I will train her. I will do it my way, to my needs.

Anyone offering to train you is usually trying to get to play with you and/or screw you with no commitment on his part.

If he does, take him up on it IF it does not involve play or sex. For example, how to balance books to help your future Master's business, etc. See how long he sticks around...

1. The parameters and boundaries must remain intact. For us, this means that individuals who are with us -strictly- for training are -never- involved in sexual relationships with members of the household... Especially with the Keepers.
2. The guidelines for what will be taught, and to what level, must be established up front.
3. Any requirements that are a part of training must be clearly set out (for example, in our household, trainees serve with special designations on their collars, so that they can do -any- of the activities that may be required BUT they cannot be used for solo scening/roleplay scening, and they are not available for sex, PERIOD.
4. It is, in our experience, less than satisfactory to have a "trainer" who either -has- or may -develop- a personal interest in a trainee. For this reason, most of our trainees do not work directly with a Keeper during their training. Training is overseen by a servant who is already skilled in the area of training, and Keepers only -observe- to assure that training goals are being met in a timely manner.
5. Training should have a clear beginning, the progress should be documented, and the parameters and time-frame for ending the training should be agreed upon at the outset and -stuck to-. If a skill is not mastered in the given time frame, supplemental training should only be considered if the trainee cannot master the skill with practice on hir own, and, in our opinion, a neutral 3rd party should evaluate the trainee to make sure that the issue is not simply that the Keeper doing the testing wishes to keep the trainee around longer. If there really -is- a lack, it is often beneficial to have the trainee move on to a different trainer in any case, as the new perspective may allow the trainee to grasp what has been poorly understood to this point.

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You truly are trying to make this more complicated than it is. Training or teaching... the end result is pleasing the one we wish to please.

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tazzygirl,

Might you have taken some courses in point counterpoint and Debate 101.
The original thread was simple enough yet you have chosen to finely slice and dice the point.
if you want a defined premise between taching and training........ then post it......I care not to use my time returning negative orientation posts by you and AS.

It is becoming clearer to me why so few Dom's spend time on the boards here are CM

Have a fine evening.

CP

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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You truly are trying to make this more complicated than it is. Training or teaching... the end result is pleasing the one we wish to please.

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tazzygirl,

Might you have taken some courses in point counterpoint and Debate 101.
The original thread was simple enough yet you have chosen to finely slice and dice the point.
if you want a defined premise between taching and training........ then post it......I care not to use my time returning negative orientation posts by you and AS.

It is becoming clearer to me why so few Dom's spend time on the boards here are CM

Have a fine evening.

CP

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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Training is absolutely necessary, from the Dominant that is to be served.

DS,

Were it not got your pic I would have thought that comment was from domiguy!

CP

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Oh yes, I was -absolutely- trained... I started out on the kneeling end of the leash, which is a requirement for lifestyle newcomers when they come into our household, and despite several years on the 'fringes', mostly as a counselor for those who had immersed themselves in BDSM, authority dynamics, and fetish life, I was still far from deep immersion myself.

During my decade in training, I was trained in EVERY aspect of life as a servant in our household, from tea service and proper cleaning techniques to BDSM and body modification activities (including my initial training in temporary and permanent body piercing, strike and cautery branding). I was trained, in protocols, in forms of address, in exotic forms of speech, in languages (I wish I used my French more these days, as it's atrophied from lack of use!), in presentation, in entertainment (dance, card games, music - both instrumental and voice, formal debate, etc.), as well as being schooled in some sexual techniques that I hadn't been exposed to before, and getting some 'correction' in some techniques that had been an unpleasant chore, but which improved once different techniques were applied. I was also taught the basics of running a business, office management, customer service skills, and was encouraged to obtain outside training to further my skills as an arbitrator, esoteric arts practitioner/trainer, and alternative-lifestyle counselor.

Now that I'm on the other end of the leash, I enjoy the process of training ours. How they're trained really depends on why they've come to the Household. If they're coming to serve, then once we've seen how they do the things they're expected to do, we initiate training to help them find more efficient, more effective ways of completing their service. If they've come to entertain, we evaluate their skills and train them in the things that they would both -enjoy- and have the propensity to be skilled at (we also encourage those who are NOT being formally trained in a skill to 'audit' training sessions for things that they're interested in, but don't exhibit an affinity for -- who knows... they may come to show that they like it enough that they -become- skilled at it regardless of natural affinity!).

For those relatively new folks that "seek" to be trained by their model Dominant...what do you think it means?
For years this term has raised the hackles on my neck whenever it comes up in conversation of in some profile as I grope for a sense of what it is or how it is to be employed.


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For some it is meeting tests; for others it is being subjected to being broken and the list goes on. In your view is it necessary?In my view, it really depends on what one is looking for in the situation one is getting involved in. If one is interested in getting involved in a high-protocol situation, then one will at least need to be trained until one is well versed in the requisite protocols. If one is unable to complete the duties that one has been assigned due to not knowing the techniques or not being able to manage the project, then one certainly requires training in order to be able to complete the work skillfully and efficiently. Likewise with any training -- if it serves a useful purpose for both trainee and the recipient of the skills, then it is certainly necessary.

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What say you on the subject?I would not be the person that I am today, had I not undergone significant training over the course of my lifetime. I find all of it valuable -- even the things that I learned but do not use on a regular basis (French, anyone?). I found the PROCESS of training to be an opportunity to challenge myself under well-defined parameters, and value highly the fact that I -had- those opportunities. I would hope that those individuals who come to serve with us and who undergo training in one or more areas find it beneficial as well.

Calla

CP



Calla,

Yours was a form of introduction that rarely exists in todays D/s I admire the patience and direction used as its formality is rare.
Thanks for your complete input on the subject.

CP

(in reply to CallaFirestormBW)

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I would still like specifics on what the difference is between teaching and training. I understand prefering one term over another but when you are going to create a X vs. Y debate, you need to define your terms.

Example: What is the difference between teaching someone to fold a shirt and training them to fold a shirt?

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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I would still like specifics on what the difference is between teaching and training. I understand prefering one term over another but when you are going to create a X vs. Y debate, you need to define your terms.

Example: What is the difference between teaching someone to fold a shirt and training them to fold a shirt?

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AS,

As I indicated to your good friend and co contibutor, I believe that your not truely interested in contributing to this thread in any meaningful manner but to just entertain yourself and a few buds with your slice and dice comments.

Regardless of what I offered it would be a situation of if I said up your reply would be down.....perhaps it is entertaining to you but for myself it is a waste of time. Thyere have been many fine contributions to this thread by those that understand what it is all about............ for you its word games.

CP

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

This thread was not derailed. The OP was vague.

As often happens here is a a matter of semantics and then respect.

Questions were answered respectfully and then dismissed out of hand.

Anyone who asks for clarification is disrespectful.

Am I properly trained now?