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hertz -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/29/2010 2:16:54 PM)

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If someone asked me who I support "Israel or Muslims" I'd say "Israel!" Not a lot to think about there


I'd agree. There isn't a lot of thinking going on there.



peacefulplace -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/29/2010 2:33:04 PM)


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Oh, come on. The holocaust was financed by USA Jew bankers amongst others. Those Jews that were murdered during the holocaust were (innocent) victims. I suspect all who were not murdered of perhaps being the perpetrators. (It is like a murder mystery: Everybody who was on the premises at the time of the murder is a suspect, said Hercule.)


Wait, wait, wait. Are you serious, Rule? Please provide legitimate documentation that American Jews bankrolled the Holocaust.

OP, being called anti-Semetic in the U.S. is not the worst social crime. Being called a racist is. It must be because we enslaved an entire race of people (slavery in other countries was not completely interlinked with race as it was in the U.S.) and Europe attempted to kill an entire religion of people (not so sure we should label Jews as a "race")

I know of no politician outside of NYC who feels beholden to the "Israel lobby." We are not scared of Israel. We're simply happy to keep them as an ally in the world's Loony Bin known as the Mideast.



stef -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/29/2010 2:52:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: peacefulplace

Wait, wait, wait. Are you serious, Rule? Please provide legitimate documentation that American Jews bankrolled the Holocaust.

Good luck with that.  Rule doesn't do proof.  He makes outlandish claim after outlandish claim then tells you to do your own research because his sources are privileged, or he's saving the material for a book, or you wouldn't be able to understand it or any of a hundred other excuses.

~stef



peacefulplace -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/29/2010 3:02:54 PM)

stef,

Being new to the Boards, I thank you for your helpful advice!

I would put my signature as P.P., but that's embarrassing so I'll just say

~peace



thornhappy -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/29/2010 3:04:17 PM)

Yup.  It's generally useless to present him with proof that differs from his manifestly bogus sources.

BTW Aneirin, the article's from 2006.

I usually hear that OSBLaden hates our lifestyle and freedoms, but what he hates is 1) we had bases in Saudi Arabia (site of Mecca) and 2) our unequivocal support of  Israeli policies.

There's a sizable group in the Republican party that maintains a very fervent support for Israel because they need it to be a country by the time of the Rapture so Christ will come again.  After that, any Jews (and others) that don't convert will go through 1000 years of terrible events and go to hell to boot!  [;)]



Rule -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/29/2010 3:04:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: peacefulplace
Wait, wait, wait. Are you serious, Rule? Please provide legitimate documentation that American Jews bankrolled the Holocaust.

I dunno what legitimate documentation is, but I have got names for you. Neither do I know whether any of them is Jewish, but as I understand it, lots of bankers are.

Union Banking Corp. with as directors Edward Roland Harriman, Ellery Sedgewick James, Knight Wooley, Prescott Sheldon Bush.



Politesub53 -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/29/2010 3:54:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: peacefulplace

OP, being called anti-Semetic in the U.S. is not the worst social crime. Being called a racist is. It must be because we enslaved an entire race of people (slavery in other countries was not completely interlinked with race as it was in the U.S.) and Europe attempted to kill an entire religion of people (not so sure we should label Jews as a "race")




Millions of Europeans died fighting against facism in WW2.



Termyn8or -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/29/2010 4:44:21 PM)

FR

Ask the question : Why always the Jews ?

Now consider the possible answers, as many of them as you can dream up. When and where I grew up we were not afraid to talk about these things and we called a spade a spade. I know what Israel does, and I know we conveniently look the other way, we even looked the other way when they purposely destroyed the USS Liberty. Don't give me this 'it was an accident' shit. Those fucking pricks could've easily contacted "our" President and told him to tell the USS Liberty to take a powder because they had some dirty work to do. If any other country would have done what they did their land would be a giant glass parking lot. Face it, this is known fact. It was an act of war against an "ally". They apparently have no allies.

And if you think the Iraq war was about oil think again. It was about the security of the state of Israel. There were a few other factors. And those who think we were there to "liberate" the Iraqi people are most fooled among us. It's all propoganda, and it is all biased in favor of whom ? Quit eating that candy and pay attention. Look at the results.

Riddle me this : Why is Ernst Zundel in jail ? What is the only country on this planet that has laws IN OTHER COUNTRIES (Germany comes to mind, but is not alone) that specifically prohibit open criticism ?

Find your own answers, it took me fifty years to find mine. Or go color.

T



thishereboi -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/29/2010 10:00:30 PM)

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Anti Semitism, this phrase is the phrase that it seems all Americans are scared of,


Any time you start off a thread talking about how "all americans" think or feel, you lost credibility with me. Do you honestly believe that all americans think the same way about anything? Do all brits think and act the same?



rulemylife -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/29/2010 10:18:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: NoNonsense123
NEVER AGAIN is just what it means - JEWS will not go quietly into gas chambers

Oh, come on. The holocaust was financed by USA Jew bankers amongst others. Those Jews that were murdered during the holocaust were (innocent) victims. I suspect all who were not murdered of perhaps being the perpetrators. (It is like a murder mystery: Everybody who was on the premises at the time of the murder is a suspect, said Hercule.)

Most people suffer from a lack of healthy paranoia.



And a few sad souls suffer from an abundance of it.



popeye1250 -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/29/2010 11:21:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: peacefulplace


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Oh, come on. The holocaust was financed by USA Jew bankers amongst others. Those Jews that were murdered during the holocaust were (innocent) victims. I suspect all who were not murdered of perhaps being the perpetrators. (It is like a murder mystery: Everybody who was on the premises at the time of the murder is a suspect, said Hercule.)


Wait, wait, wait. Are you serious, Rule? Please provide legitimate documentation that American Jews bankrolled the Holocaust.

OP, being called anti-Semetic in the U.S. is not the worst social crime. Being called a racist is. It must be because we enslaved an entire race of people (slavery in other countries was not completely interlinked with race as it was in the U.S.) and Europe attempted to kill an entire religion of people (not so sure we should label Jews as a "race")

I know of no politician outside of NYC who feels beholden to the "Israel lobby." We are not scared of Israel. We're simply happy to keep them as an ally in the world's Loony Bin known as the Mideast.



PP, being called a racist is nothing anymore. Everyone has done it so much that it's like the boy who cried "wolf" now.
Even the illegal aliens are learning that it does no good to try to describe themselves as a "race" just so that they can call people who are against illegals being in the country, "racists."
And just exactly who is the "we" that,..."enslaved an entire race of people?
I know an awful lot of Irish and Italian people who had nothing to do with that, their ancesters wearn't even present in this country until the early 1900's.
We simply wearn't involved in it and the Irish had their own "slavery" issues going on with the English at that time.
But, I guess you could recruit some others in here to indulge in a bit of, "collective guilt."



Politesub53 -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/30/2010 4:39:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

We simply wearn't involved in it and the Irish had their own "slavery" issues going on with the English at that time.



This seems a far fetched use of the word slavery, even if you did put it in brackets. It shows very little understanding of both Anglo/Irish history and the class system in the UK at the time.



Aneirin -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/30/2010 8:06:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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Anti Semitism, this phrase is the phrase that it seems all Americans are scared of,


Any time you start off a thread talking about how "all americans" think or feel, you lost credibility with me. Do you honestly believe that all americans think the same way about anything? Do all brits think and act the same?



My apologies for my turn of language for I know you are particularly sensitive to the words I use, but as with reference to the words that you find so incredible, may you also find Ex Congressman Paul Findley uses similar words when he says ''we are afraid as a nation, afraid of both Israel and Islam''. So as I am not American and he is, I can only assume he is talking about Americans and there my words, ''all Americans are scared of '', based upon his words as an American and an American who might have a particularly firm grasp of the inner workings of the US because of his status as an ex congressman.

But to the fact that I understand you are sensitive to what I say, I have the understanding based upon what you have said before that you perhaps think I am anti American, to answer that, no, I am not anti American, I am just British.



popeye1250 -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/30/2010 1:28:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

We simply wearn't involved in it and the Irish had their own "slavery" issues going on with the English at that time.



This seems a far fetched use of the word slavery, even if you did put it in brackets. It shows very little understanding of both Anglo/Irish history and the class system in the UK at the time.


What did the "class system" in the U.K. have to do with "The Penal Laws" in Ireland? Even a bigot like you should know the differance.



Politesub53 -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/30/2010 4:18:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

We simply wearn't involved in it and the Irish had their own "slavery" issues going on with the English at that time.



This seems a far fetched use of the word slavery, even if you did put it in brackets. It shows very little understanding of both Anglo/Irish history and the class system in the UK at the time.


What did the "class system" in the U.K. have to do with "The Penal Laws" in Ireland? Even a bigot like you should know the differance.
  

The penal laws were nothing to do with slavery, as you are suggesting. Even I know that. Most of them were abolished by 1790 anyway.

You do know that the majority of Irish emigrants to the US were before 1900, and not after 1900 like you claim.
You do know that a huge proportion of emigrants from these shores were via the penal colonies, were the working class were shipped abroad for very small crimes, specifically for use as cheap labour on plantations ect.

So there is the link, both African slaves and British working class ended up in the US to work on plantations.



Lucylastic -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/30/2010 5:13:31 PM)

his histsory comprehension like much of his information is just plain bad.
Oh an its obvious he doesnt know what bigot means.apart from its an insult




Aneirin -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/30/2010 11:06:43 PM)

The island it is silent now
But the ghosts still haunt the waves
And the torch lights up a famished man
Who fortune could not save

Did you work upon the railroad
Did you rid the streets of crime
Were your dollars from the white house
Were they from the five and dime

Did the old songs taunt or cheer you
And did they still make you cry
Did you count the months and years
Or did your teardrops quickly dry

Ah, no, says he, ’twas not to be
On a coffin ship I came here
And I never even got so far
That they could change my name

Thousands are sailing
Across the western ocean
To a land of opportunity
That some of them will never see
Fortune prevailing
Across the western ocean
Their bellies full
Their spirits free
They’ll break the chains of poverty
And they’ll dance

In manhattan’s desert twilight
In the death of afternoon
We stepped hand in hand on broadway
Like the first man on the moon

And "the blackbird" broke the silence
As you whistled it so sweet
And in brendan behan’s footsteps
I danced up and down the street

Then we said goodnight to broadway
Giving it our best regards
Tipped our hats to mister cohen
Dear old times square’s favorite bard

Then we raised a glass to jfk
And a dozen more besides
When I got back to my empty room
I suppose I must have cried

Thousands are sailing
Again across the ocean
Where the hand of opportunity
Draws tickets in a lottery
Postcards we’re mailing
Of sky-blue skies and oceans
From rooms the daylight never sees
Where lights don’t glow on christmas trees
But we dance to the music
And we dance

Thousands are sailing
Across the western ocean
Where the hand of opportunity
Draws tickets in a lottery
Where e’er we go, we celebrate
The land that makes us refugees
From fear of priests with empty plates
From guilt and weeping effigies
And we dance



Hippiekinkster -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/31/2010 12:52:29 AM)

at Aneirin: give a citation fot that poem/lyric. And put it in quotes, unless you are asserting authorship.

I've observed and participated in several political forums since approx. 2004 or so. It's my observation the Europeans in general, and Brits in particular, are much more likely to be supportive of the Palestinians, to the extent of wishing destruction of the state of Israel, than anyone elsewhere in the world other than Islamic countries. Anti-Jewish sentiment seems to run deep in the UK.

IMO< this is a textbook case of "blaming the victim". It was the UK who partitioned the ME, and put the lines on the official maps for tha artificial nations of Emirate of Trans-Jordan, Mandate of Palestine, Kingdom of Iraq, and the French Mandates of Syria (Islamic) and Lebanon (Xtian).

" Syria became a French protectorate thinly disguised as a League of Nations Mandate. The Christian coastal areas were split off to become Lebanon, another French protectorate. Iraq and Palestine became British mandated territories. Iraq became the "Kingdom of Iraq" and one of Sherif Husayn's sons, Faisal, was installed as the King of Iraq. Palestine became the "British Mandate of Palestine" and was split in half. The eastern half of Palestine became the "Emirate of Transjordan" to provide a throne for another of Husayn's sons, Abdullah. The western half of Palestine was placed under direct British administration. [B][I][red]The already substantial Jewish population was allowed to increase[/red][/O][/B]. Initially this increase was allowed under British protection. Most of the Arabian peninsula fell to another British ally, Ibn Saud. Saud created the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in 1932."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Middle_East

To hear the European supporters of Hamas, the PLO, the Intifadah, et cetera tell it, there were no Jews in the ME until the Brits moved some Jews into "Palestine" and the Jews forced Palestinians to go to Jordan, Syria, the East End, and so on. Revisionist horseshit.

The Brits created the situation via the auspices of the UN, and are now blaming the Jews for all the problems in the ME. Blaming the Victims. Brits are really good at shifting blame.



Politesub53 -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/31/2010 3:31:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

I've observed and participated in several political forums since approx. 2004 or so. It's my observation the Europeans in general, and Brits in particular, are much more likely to be supportive of the Palestinians, to the extent of wishing destruction of the state of Israel, than anyone elsewhere in the world other than Islamic countries. Anti-Jewish sentiment seems to run deep in the UK.


Your observations and reality are two different things. Do you think that if the British wanted the destruction of Israel, we would also have to second largest jewish population in Western Europe ?

Your own post is, to use your own phrase, revisionist horseshit. trying to place the blame for the current crisis in the ME on Britain neatly overlooks any Israeli wrong doing in the area. It is this, IE the use of certain weapons on civilian areas, or the ethnic cleansing, or the refugee camp massacres by Israels ally, which most Brits object to.


 
 



MissSophieM -> RE: Anti-Semitism ? (8/31/2010 10:13:25 AM)

Politesub,

I have always appreciated your posts but "ethnic cleansing"? REALLY? That's a complete lie. The whole point of "targeted killings is to avoid harming people that are innocent or less directly involved. I commend them for that. Bear in-mind that Israel still provides food, energy and money to the Palestinian territories.

Go to Israel and the Palestinian territories, I highly reccomend it to anyone interested. It's MUCH safer there than you think. You'll have a clearer view if you see for yourself.



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