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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 5:16:34 PM   
truesub4u


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Status: offline 		Submission = slave?
True = Owned (yes using you Owned in my response here... LOL)
True sub... Owned slave
BIG DAMN DIFFERENCE...... though we both submit... we submit differently.
I can and will say No... she can but refuses to say No.
I can and will do pretty much as I please on a day to day basis...... Owned can... but doesn't
This list can go on and on... but why... it's obvious we both submit... but we're not both slaves.
I'm a submissive..... Owned is a slave... we clash on submission.... we respect each others submission.

Love you Owned... thanks for letting me use you... LOL... (kinda kinky there... )






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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 5:19:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great post, IB.  Not Gorean here, but you described how my Master views me - submit all, no limits, no safe words....or not at all.  In turn, well...there is so much "in turn."

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 5:23:01 PM   
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wow, blissfully ignorant.


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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 5:24:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KarbonCopy

So a sub/slave that isnt owned isnt true?

wow, blissfully ignorant.



that's not what Ironbear or Owned said at all.


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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 5:25:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: truesub4u

Submission = slave?
True = Owned (yes using you Owned in my response here... LOL)
True sub... Owned slave
BIG DAMN DIFFERENCE...... though we both submit... we submit differently.
I can and will say No... she can but refuses to say No.
I can and will do pretty much as I please on a day to day basis...... Owned can... but doesn't
This list can go on and on... but why... it's obvious we both submit... but we're not both slaves.
I'm a submissive..... Owned is a slave... we clash on submission.... we respect each others submission.

Love you Owned... thanks for letting me use you... LOL... (kinda kinky there... )



I feel so.........used.  Was it good for you, True?! 

The only thing I must correct, however...you say I "can."  But I can't.  Not if I wish to remain his slave.  I can within the boundaries he has set for me.  If I choose to not live within those boundaries, I will be unowned.

But you are absolutely right - we are vastly different from each other. Yet, the beauty is that we do respect each other - our differences as well as our similarities.  I mean...we both love those granny smiths after all....lol.

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 5:26:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KarbonCopy

So a sub/slave that isnt owned isnt true?

wow, blissfully ignorant.



I have no idea where you came to this conclusion....care to enlighten me?

And I am actually quite blissful.  Ignorant in some areas but not in my slavery, however.

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 5:29:29 PM   
truesub4u


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Status: offline 		Owned... I said it right then... you can .... but you say you can't.... that's where we clash some what.... I feel you can.. but won't.. because you choose not to.. you choose to remain in your slavery... so there for you can.. but don't or won't....LOL... and that's the difference... as I personally see it. Any one can... should they choose too.... they live with the aftermath as well... 

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 5:30:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truesub4u

Submission = slave?
True = Owned (yes using you Owned in my response here... LOL)
True sub... Owned slave
BIG DAMN DIFFERENCE...... though we both submit... we submit differently.
I can and will say No... she can but refuses to say No.
I can and will do pretty much as I please on a day to day basis...... Owned can... but doesn't
This list can go on and on... but why... it's obvious we both submit... but we're not both slaves.
I'm a submissive..... Owned is a slave... we clash on submission.... we respect each others submission.

Love you Owned... thanks for letting me use you... LOL... (kinda kinky there... )







Right there.

Not pointing any fingers, I just thougt the concept was pretty stupid lol.


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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 5:31:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		a sub has and sets limits on what they will and won't submit to.the sub is allowed to keep some of their independance and remain a seperate entity.the sub controls the show.

a slave is controlled totally(at least in this one's neck of Gor).no limits but what their owners allow them to have.the Owner is in charge of all. the slave does what the owner says because it pleases her to do.she was given up all rights but what the owner allows her to have(they become priviledges).she is property of the owner.

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 5:32:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KarbonCopy

So a sub/slave that isnt owned isnt true?

wow, blissfully ignorant.



Trying again, I think you missed some things.

IronBear: "As I see it, in most cases, th terminology will depend on the relationship and the expectations of the Dominant partner."
 
"from a personal and practical perspective only,"

ownedgirlie:  "but you described how my Master views me"
 
Truesub:  "Submission = slave?
True = Owned"

Um...she was comparing herself (her nickname is True) to me (my nickname is Owned).  She is a sub, I am a slave.  It was a comparison of her & I.

I think you greatly misunderstood.  If you still wish to use the terms ignorant and stupid with regards to us...that is your choice, of course.

** Edited to add:  Since your reply was to my post, I thought perhaps you were actually responding to my response to IB.  That is why I quoted he & I.

< Message edited by ownedgirlie -- 4/22/2006 5:39:27 PM >

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 5:33:42 PM   
truesub4u


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Status: offline 		Apparently you didn't notice I was using MY NAME.... TRUE... I wasn't saying that because of a sub/slave not being owned isn't true... DAMN son... pay closer attention... LMAO

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 5:37:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Suffice to say the two terms are not interchangable..and it looks like several of the previous posts defined it fairly well. You'll find that the precise definitions will vary, but most of the time there is a serious distinction between the two.

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 5:38:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Either way, in the end they are both titles.

submissive? slave?  black? white?

Let the relationship call the shots and go one with just being who you are.

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 5:42:50 PM   
ownedgirlie


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ORIGINAL: unquenchable

Either way, in the end they are both titles.

submissive? slave?  black? white?

Let the relationship call the shots and go one with just being who you are.

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Actually.........it is not a title for me (but I'm getting anal, now...lol).  "Master" is a title.  Slave is a definition (I don't get to have a title, lol).  It is much easier however, to tell people "I am a slave to my Master." rather than, "I submit to my Master in all he says, in all I do, without limits, without safe words, and without the option of saying no."  The word "slave" kinda wraps that up for me.  :)

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 5:46:29 PM   
truesub4u


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Status: offline 		Owned is getting Anal????..... 

I'm trying to be a good girl here... and you are making it soooooooooooooooo hard.... LOL


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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 5:47:15 PM   
ownedgirlie


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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 5:49:54 PM   
KarbonCopy


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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 5:57:06 PM   
cariad


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Status: offline 		*grabs her coffee and smokes, rubbing sleepy eyes* ok ok ok now girl is really confused here but then again it may be because she is not well and should not even be at the computer when not well and is sure her Protector will hound her for a day or two about it but alas she was on collarme and saw this thread so had to respond.

girl is a slave and has been for almost 17yrs now, she has limits yes that were set long ago because they are ones that Most if not All Doms/Dommes adhere to: no kids is one of the limits she will continue to say is a limit as there are some out there that will say no kids but yet from girl's experience they are not sticking to it. but that is neither here nor there.

when girl met her now former Master she had all kinds of limits and they kind of stuck until she realized that she is no longer in need of limits, although she has stuck to them for now and will when she meets the right Master adhere to the limits He sets for her.

girl believes that earlier posts say it best: There is a Difference. Let the relationship define if one is submissive or slave......girl is saying this because she started out submissive and slowly over time became a slave. it took her a long time to be able to trust her Master that passed away to take her from having limits to not having limits other than those He set for her.

girl thanks Him for taking the time He did with her and while she misses Him dearly, she still remembers what He said....."There is no such thing as a stupid question, except that which is NOT asked My pet."

girl says: let it be where it is and go from there.


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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 6:27:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		To be honest, I thought what he did when I read your post the first time, before I read the ones that followed. 

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ORIGINAL: truesub4u

Apparently you didn't notice I was using MY NAME.... TRUE... I wasn't saying that because of a sub/slave not being owned isn't true... DAMN son... pay closer attention... LMAO


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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/22/2006 6:42:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

To be honest, I thought what he did when I read your post the first time, before I read the ones that followed. 

quote:

ORIGINAL: truesub4u

Apparently you didn't notice I was using MY NAME.... TRUE... I wasn't saying that because of a sub/slave not being owned isn't true... DAMN son... pay closer attention... LMAO



At least you didn't call the post "stupid" though.
 
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