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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/23/2006 7:17:59 AM

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My Master told me I was his slave when I first met him. He was right.

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/23/2006 7:26:36 AM

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i then 'formed' limits....i was looking for a MONOGAMOUS partner and i found that really did not go over well in M/s. So again, i did not consider myself a slave.

There are monogamous m/s couples.

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But then a Master (as so he said and i do believe to this day) said to me.....'Here is the difference between a sub and a slave. If i go away for a week, a slave will clean my house as she knows is expected. A sub will clean it the night before because she does not want to face the consequences of not doing so'.

That may have been his experience, but it's not "true" across the board.

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/23/2006 7:32:36 AM

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My Master told me I was his slave when I first met him. He was right.

Exactly! And if i had been a different type of person, those first two doms might have been right too. It was only through trial and error that i found otherwise.

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/23/2006 7:40:02 AM

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i have done some chatting and reading on the Gorean Lifestyle and there is alot of definition made within the houses, lears etc. Now i am not Gorean and don't expect myself to go on that path. But getting back to the point in question, and knowing there is definition out there and alot of different takes on this subject, can i conclude that a submissive can still play some role in rationalizing her/his life and participate in making decisions whereas a slave relinguishes all choice in the hands of her/his said Master/Mistress?

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/23/2006 7:45:33 AM

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i have done some chatting and reading on the Gorean Lifestyle and there is alot of definition made within the houses, lears etc. Now i am not Gorean and don't expect myself to go on that path. But getting back to the point in question, and knowing there is definition out there and alot of different takes on this subject, can i conclude that a submissive can still play some role in rationalizing her/his life and participate in making decisions whereas a slave relinguishes all choice in the hands of her/his said Master/Mistress?

Many people would say so.

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/23/2006 7:46:04 AM

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can i conclude that a submissive can still play some role in rationalizing her/his life and participate in making decisions whereas a slave relinguishes all choice in the hands of her/his said Master/Mistress?

You can't conclude anything about anyone but yourself.

No matter what you end up saying, what definition you bring up here, I can bring up a dozen people who will say that doesn't fit them at all.

Many slaves are ordered to retain some control and participate in making decisions, many subs may have fewer limits than many slaves.

It's not about the actions, and no definition anyone supplies here will be accepted as a general or universal truth.

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/23/2006 10:00:22 AM

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All i know is my house.

In my house - slaves have no rights. No say so. If he decides he wants to take a whip and whip me till i'm bleeding then it will happen. If he decides he wants enjoy piercing my skin, whether it be piercings or skin piercings, he does so. If he decides its time to play with electricty.. no matter how much i've backed into a corner or diagree with what he wants to do, it still happens. i've no right to say no. Granted i may push the line at times (as he allows) or he may let me explain, or speak or whatever.. its all becaue he allows. He can quite easily ignore, or silence or get "no nonsence" about it. (as he does let me play alot.. there is always a line) Heck i can even disagree with him. i can argue (in a manner of speaking) and tell him i dont like this that or this either. Granted its when ever he's willing to listen. Granted i dont have a right to expect him to speak back or to take action. Generally, he does let me vent out whatever frustration i'm having. But its only because he allows it. i'm even told i dont have a right to feel cranky or pissed off But i think he's joking on that one.

As a submissive. i'd have all those rights. i'd be able to say no and it actually mean something. I'd be allowed to choose what and how, when even. i could say "no i dont want to do that" and it'd actually go over. Or "not today" or whatever. Granted i've only a limited view of submission as it plays out in this house. What i know, is i've no rights and he may "give" me something momentarily, rather he may allow me something it is not my right and he can take it as he pleases. No matter what it is, going to the bathroom, smoking, sleeping, being dressed, disagreeing, eating/not eating, ect. It is all up to his whim. i think if i was his submissive.. it'd be up to my whim.

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/23/2006 10:03:06 AM

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There are monogamous m/s couples.

i did not say there wasn't. But i can say that most 'Masters' i have ever talked with were either poly or looking for a bisexual sub so they could include other females at their discretion. And most of the dom profiles i have read on any D/s site seem to prefer the same. i for one would never say there are NO monogamous M/s couples but i can say that most i have conversed with were not.

That may have been his experience, but it's not "true" across the board.

And again, i did not say it was. What he said just made sense to me and i'm sure was just a simple example supplied on his part.

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/23/2006 10:51:20 AM

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Master and i lived the Gorean lifestyle in our Home until recently(over 2 years).. A few weeks ago Master and i had a long talk and We both decided that the Gorean life persay was not for us any longer, though we have kept alive alot of the ideals...We dont classify ourselves as straight BDSM or Gor anymore , more so a hybrid of each taking what works and applying it to our daily lives..

I dont call myself sub or slave but use them both (sub/slave) when anyone asks...Why do i feel this way? After being here with Master and having a few questions on who i am i have discovered i will never be a Gor slave fully because i will never be able to go along with some of the things "most Goreans" claim to want from a slave..I also know im not fully a submissive because i will always have slave and Spirited tendencies (and i can not be a switch either)...For the most part we live by Gorean ideals with BDSM ideals added..

I do not believe that a person is property and should have no say over their lives, i did once but since have come to realise that im a mom first and formost...Should i be given an order to do something againest my beliefs or think is wrong i will say so and disobey an order that i feel will be harmful to me as a person or interfer with how i raise my kids..Granted Master will hear me out and if i have a valid point and can back up my belief then we discuss it and decide what should happen next..If He feels i am just being stubborn or bratty then He will decide if the lines should and will be pushed..So as i said i am not a sub/slave fully im me..i am a woman who has been through abuse, and done things im not overly proud of to get away from the abuse and start a new life..I expect people here will not understand or say i shouldnt be here or im this or that .. But i say im human with the same thoughts, emotions , fears , desires and longings that all of you have or have had at some point in your life..

I AM ME .... no more important , no less important because of a label.....

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/23/2006 4:16:56 PM

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I feel that a clearly defined definition for submissive, bottom, and slave is very important. Along with a clear definition for dom/me or top would go a long way for better comminication. It would make it easierto understand what some people are really trying to describe or say if it all had the same meaning to both the speaker/writer and the listener/reader.

For myself I identify as a sub primarily because it appears that so many dommes think slave equals housework, yard work, errons and the list goes on.

But every mistress I've ever played with has always called me slave. A few times I have past over an add by a domme because she said all she wanted was a slave. I know what slave means to me, does it mean the same to her? I'll never know.

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RE: Does submission = slave - 4/23/2006 5:58:02 PM

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Everyday of my life.... i'm a submissive... there are times in my life... i've been a slave to 2 Masters. Now i'm a slave to two teenagers.....MOM i need.. MOM i wanna... MOM can I.... MOM!!!!!!!!!!!catch my drift here?... LOL... think i'll settle for being submissive to Doms right now... LOL

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