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Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/19/2010 11:48:39 AM   
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As suspected the disaster that happened on the 20th April killing eleven and injuring 17 was at best a clusterfuck of events, many were involved alongside BP ;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11230757


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RE: Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/19/2010 11:51:33 AM   
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Obviously. But the Kenyan has a bee in his bonnet about the British, so BP gets blamed, despite being about as British as Tony Blair's finances. Great, innit?

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RE: Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/19/2010 12:04:00 PM   
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It's really kind of amazing to listen the to the relentless defense of BP by the Brits on here.

You are citing an internal investigation by BP saying that their liability in the event was limited.

Do you you think that just may be a little self-serving?

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RE: Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/19/2010 12:12:21 PM   
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As BP isn't a British company, and hasn't been since it was acquired by one of the other companies that seems to have spent less time getting fingered as the only culprit by the American press, not really.

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RE: Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/19/2010 12:13:48 PM   
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Not exactly news either since the report was published ages ago.

It's 100% obvious it takes more than one individual failing to cause an event of this nature. They may as well have published a report explaining how Santa Clause defies gravity each year.


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RE: Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/19/2010 3:15:51 PM   
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As BP isn't a British company, and hasn't been since it was acquired by one of the other companies that seems to have spent less time getting fingered as the only culprit by the American press, not really.

Tell me more about this mysterious corp no one has ever heard of that acquired one of the largest publicly traded companies in the world. Maybe explain how this "acquired" corporation's stock is still traded on several stock markets?

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RE: Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/19/2010 3:19:51 PM   
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I do not know why this surprises anyone.  In many ways it is similar to the Challenger explosion.

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RE: Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/19/2010 3:38:38 PM   
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As BP isn't a British company, and hasn't been since it was acquired by one of the other companies that seems to have spent less time getting fingered as the only culprit by the American press, not really.

Tell me more about this mysterious corp no one has ever heard of that acquired one of the largest publicly traded companies in the world. Maybe explain how this "acquired" corporation's stock is still traded on several stock markets?

Standard Oil and BP are now joined at the hip, and have been for a good thirty years now.
Almost none of the stocholders in the two are British companies, though it's possible that Goldman Sachs and BlackRock have shed a lot of their stock over the last few months.

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RE: Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/19/2010 4:50:41 PM   
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It's really kind of amazing to listen the to the relentless defense of BP by the Brits on here.

You are citing an internal investigation by BP saying that their liability in the event was limited.

Do you you think that just may be a little self-serving?



No, because of the size of BP. The one thing a firm of this size need to operate firmly is a steady flow of investors. If investers dont have the confidence that the company is being run properly, they will pull oout. It isnt in BPs best interest to fix any report, and the same would be true if it was purely a 100% British or American owned outfit.

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RE: Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/19/2010 5:06:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

As BP isn't a British company, and hasn't been since it was acquired by one of the other companies that seems to have spent less time getting fingered as the only culprit by the American press, not really.

Tell me more about this mysterious corp no one has ever heard of that acquired one of the largest publicly traded companies in the world. Maybe explain how this "acquired" corporation's stock is still traded on several stock markets?


BP merged with Amoco Ken. BP America is by far its largest division with its HQ in Houston. As far as I know US Companies own 40% of BP shares. Another reason for the company not to lie in this report is all the information is being made available to any official inquiry.

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RE: Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/19/2010 5:35:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

It's really kind of amazing to listen the to the relentless defense of BP by the Brits on here.

You are citing an internal investigation by BP saying that their liability in the event was limited.

Do you you think that just may be a little self-serving?



I don't know whether it has crossed your mind or not, but most Brits couldn't give a flying fuck what happened to BP. Where we do care it is where BP is linked by expansion of the initials to us, as if we are to blame, the British. For in BP suddenly becoming British petroleum, an expansion first said by your dear president, it is as if it is the British who are at fault, not a company that was once British. Now of this special relationship Britain is supposed to have with America, your president is in the eyes of the British public rapidly dissolving. It is clear he bears a grudge against the British for actions passed by people who are not the people now, but it is coming over loud and clear Obama grinds axes against us.

As to BP being totally to blame for this incident, I have always held in doubt due to the fact that I am fully conversant with the issue of subcontractors, why do it yourself if experts exist that will do it more efficiently or cheaper, it makes economic sense if not operational.

As I said in the OP, Deep water Horizon was a cluster fuck, too many authorities involved and not a clear policy amongst them, too much was either ignored or forgotten, people were doing what they did with crossed fingers, perhaps the way it was always done, but this time shit happened and the inefficiencies became clear to see, eleven people lost their lives through incompetence on a multi organisational scale. All involved in the operation hold blame, that is until proved innocent.

But it interests me all those that on here have levied ultimate blame on BP without knowing the facts beyond what media has presented, themselves following the public mood and there feeding their paying public hunger. Of many who have towed Obama's line in his attack on BP, guess what, many of those who rallied with Obama at other times on here have demonstrated they despise the ground he walks upon, vociferous are they regarding the president and his party.

But to end it all, I as a Briton could not give a flying fuck what happened to BP, they can like many other oil companies rot in hell for I care, for all of them have got away with so much for so long because they were the suppliers of the black gold that kept leaders of countries from being honest with their voters as to the true situation as it will effect the livelihood of everyone, in the case of America, the American way becomes history. Presidents know this, it is either supply what is required or see the end of one's political career, for who will vote for a leader who cannot supply. Bush knew this also, but if oil was not available easily at home, then there must be somewhere in the world where taking it would not present so much of a problem, enter Iraq on an invasion based on lies, blood in exchange for oil, but not his blood that was safe, he had elections to win whilst others fought and died for his dishonesty. Obama in his belief chose not to win oil by conquest but choose the more dangerous option of engaging companies to seek oil from home territories, exactly what he said when he meant to rid America from it's dependence on middle eastern oil.

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RE: Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/20/2010 4:48:26 AM   
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As BP isn't a British company, and hasn't been since it was acquired by one of the other companies that seems to have spent less time getting fingered as the only culprit by the American press, not really.

Tell me more about this mysterious corp no one has ever heard of that acquired one of the largest publicly traded companies in the world. Maybe explain how this "acquired" corporation's stock is still traded on several stock markets?


BP merged with Amoco Ken. BP America is by far its largest division with its HQ in Houston. As far as I know US Companies own 40% of BP shares. Another reason for the company not to lie in this report is all the information is being made available to any official inquiry.

Arse. Amococ, not Standard oil.

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RE: Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/20/2010 6:05:29 AM   
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Who BP blames for the oil disaster


That there's blame to be shared--and sure, there's a lot of it--does not exonerate BP.

They acted irresponsibly and possibly illegally.

So did others--but hardly a defense.


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RE: Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/20/2010 6:07:40 AM   
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I don't know whether it has crossed your mind or not, but most Brits couldn't give a flying fuck what happened to BP.


BP is held by a lot of British pension funds. Those people absolutely care, and have cared vocally.

Read your own newspapers!


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RE: Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/20/2010 6:36:06 AM   
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I do not read British Newspapers for the simple fact I am aware of how different editorials can adjust a story to suit their readership, further to that I do not like where a newspaper can destroy a person one day by splashing their name, image and affairs across the front page in a sensationalist manner and then when brought to book later by the court of law, the apology they are required to print is somewhere way off the front pages, somewhere near the back, at the bottom and in uninspiring lower case writing. I decided long ago newspapers were not worth the trees they were printed upon.

As to BP being of interest to the British because of their pension funds, I am to be fair uncaring of, as many in this country cannot afford to lodge spare funds in pension plans as they do not have spare funds, my own pension plan when it was I could afford it went down with the Equitable Life fiasco, so now I just intend to work as long as I can in my own business. If I die on the job, well industrious to the end, far better I believe than wasting away post working life.

( Ever noticed how many of those who have dedicated a lifetime to hard work, degrade and die within a few short years after retirement), I have seen this with three one time small business owners, so much so, my last employer being the doddering old bastard he was, hung on in there with the intention to hold the reins until he died. My understanding retirement is not healthy, and neither is putting hope, belief and trust in companies who go around destroying what they can as a bi product of their quest for wealth.

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RE: Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/20/2010 8:32:55 AM   
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As BP isn't a British company, and hasn't been since it was acquired by one of the other companies that seems to have spent less time getting fingered as the only culprit by the American press, not really.


I meant self-serving to BP, but if you want to continue trying to to make the point BP is not a British company then why are you so ready to come to their defense?

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RE: Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/20/2010 8:34:15 AM   
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I do not know why this surprises anyone.  In many ways it is similar to the Challenger explosion.


Huh?

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RE: Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/20/2010 8:38:24 AM   
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As BP isn't a British company, and hasn't been since it was acquired by one of the other companies that seems to have spent less time getting fingered as the only culprit by the American press, not really.


I meant self-serving to BP, but if you want to continue trying to to make the point BP is not a British company then why are you so ready to come to their defense?


Mostly because of the American media's insistence that BP is a British company, when it hasn't been for a long time now. It hasn't even been called "British Petroleum" for about twenty years, for Christ's sake. That gets a bit irksome after a while.

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RE: Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/20/2010 8:46:12 AM   
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Standard Oil and BP are now joined at the hip, and have been for a good thirty years now.
Almost none of the stocholders in the two are British companies, though it's possible that Goldman Sachs and BlackRock have shed a lot of their stock over the last few months.


It's interesting that you insist on making the distinction between BP and British Petroleum but still refer to Standard Oil which has not existed since 1911.

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RE: Who BP blames for the oil disaster - 9/20/2010 8:51:31 AM   
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I do not know why this surprises anyone.  In many ways it is similar to the Challenger explosion.


Huh?



That was eloquent. 

I think that the term you want is acceptable risk.  As technology advances it is something we live with.  It is what led to the Challenger explosion and what led to the Deepwater Horizon explosion.  It is sad, but it is not something that one can point a finger at and say, "This one thing caused it." 

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