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RE: Is your slave beneath you? - 9/29/2010 8:35:05 PM

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Hopefully my slave is above me in social grace, entertainment, culinary arts and close to my my equal in erotic arts while having enough business acumen to budget and manage a household. However, my slave is my subordinate and beneath me in rank and control.

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RE: Is your slave beneath you? - 9/29/2010 8:35:27 PM

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In a slave relationship, I would say yes. In a sub relationship, this would depend on the relationship. My sub submits to me in bed, but is my equal out of the bedroom. I can not say I really think her 'beneath' me in either role. We are in this for mutual satisfaction. Some may think this relationship odd, but it works for us.

This is what I feel as well. I am always an equal partner; it is simply the expression of our sexuality that takes on the shades of inequality. But if there is no mutuality in the pleasure we seek or the commitment of the relationship, then it is surely inequal.

In that case, the partner who was not participating fully with me would indeed, be beneath ME, since he has failed to live up to par in providing his share of the relationship.

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RE: Is your slave beneath you? - 9/30/2010 7:05:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: addisonclarkgirl
My Master and I have been discussing how a slave is "beneath her/his Master." What does this mean to you? I'm just curious to get others' perspectives on this.
It doesn't mean anything to me. We tend to focus more on "us" than "him/her".

This.

And as porcelain said,

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...each provide an important component that is necessary for the unit to function as a whole.

He is my authority. I am his pleasure. We are partners in the relationship, with different responsibilities.

This is much different than my last relationship, in which I was viewed as "beneath him" and didn't have a say in things. There was no partnership.

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RE: Is your slave beneath you? - 9/30/2010 8:39:16 AM

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Consider her a private whereas I am the Commander in Chief. :-)
But beneath me, as less of a human being than I am....nah, not even close. Actually, I would say that she is a better human being than me.

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RE: Is your slave beneath you? - 9/30/2010 4:29:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: addisonclarkgirl
My Master and I have been discussing how a slave is "beneath her/his Master." What does this mean to you? I'm just curious to get others' perspectives on this.
It doesn't mean anything to me. We tend to focus more on "us" than "him/her".

This.

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RE: Is your slave beneath you? - 9/30/2010 5:34:37 PM

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I have never viewed a relationship in that respect. I believe that both are intertwined and essential to the success of a relationship. We each have our responsibilities, without one, the other could not function

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RE: Is your slave beneath you? - 10/1/2010 10:20:14 AM

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Usually...she walks by my side...we are equals...until I beat her -L-

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RE: Is your slave beneath you? - 10/1/2010 11:36:18 AM

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Quite often a slave will be under me especially when I want to have her spreadeagled and taking her from behind or am deep inside and marking her with my teeth on her breasts. Other times she may be in-front of me giving head or stretched over a bench with lags spread and I'm taking her from behind in either orifice. Other times I order her to get on top.

On another tac, any slave I have will always be below me buy never inferior. This is as much a social status as it is customary. One Irish slave I used to talk to regularly living in London is collared to a master there. She always refers to both Dominants and those in a higher social status as her betters. This is just the way she has been brought up.

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RE: Is your slave beneath you? - 10/4/2010 8:55:22 PM

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My girl is my partner, so to speak, as we face life and the world together. But she is also my property and utterly beneath me, inferior and with no rights within the relationship.

Of course, this is a simplistic encapsulation and does elide a good portion of, say, my responsibilities as her Owner and Master.

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RE: Is your slave beneath you? - 10/4/2010 8:57:46 PM

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It's really simple. I have the last word

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RE: Is your slave beneath you? - 10/5/2010 10:40:18 AM

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On this subject it has always been my belief that the point of submission is for a inferior to find the comfort in submitting to a superior. Where these inferiority's and superiority's are within the person is irrelevant, but the submission is an attempt to improve ones self by finding someone who can supplement a weakness, or fulfill a need. To me the concept of an equal submitting to another equal seems to make little sense, why would one give rulership over themselves to one they did not deem more capable then themselves.

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RE: Is your slave beneath you? - 10/5/2010 6:52:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: Adrenochrome

My girl is my partner, so to speak, as we face life and the world together. But she is also my property and utterly beneath me, inferior and with no rights within the relationship.

this is closest to what my Master would say.

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RE: Is your slave beneath you? - 10/11/2010 12:05:15 AM

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i feel that in the sexual ways i am under him, in the intellectual way he is more beside me. In the ways of dominance and submission i am under him completely. i really have no desire to top him in any way. i wish to only be able to walk beside him in the ways of knowledge, and sex only all others i feel he is the master of me. i revel in that feeling it makes me feel safe and secure.

i feel that nature intended for men to be the protector of women to be over us to care for us. Males were given bigger bone structures, muscles, physical strength, stamina, and an inate knowledge of direction. Where as the females are more delicate lighter, their bodies are made to be able to expand for childbearing, and as such they were given the capacity to have the patiance to deal with crying children, fussy infants, to patiantly work at weaving, sewing and such chores. To develop skills in cooking and preserving fiood.

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RE: Is your slave beneath you? - 10/11/2010 7:41:31 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tetron

On this subject it has always been my belief that the point of submission is for a inferior to find the comfort in submitting to a superior. Where these inferiority's and superiority's are within the person is irrelevant, but the submission is an attempt to improve ones self by finding someone who can supplement a weakness, or fulfill a need. To me the concept of an equal submitting to another equal seems to make little sense, why would one give rulership over themselves to one they did not deem more capable then themselves.

Not all subs feel this way. In fact, it has nothing to do with finding someone who can supplement a weakness or to improve oneself. It is a strength to know what you need and it is a strength to allow someone to fulfill that need. That person doing the fulfilling is not superior, he is just the opposite side of the coin.

You have a major flaw in your thinking if you believe that you submit because you are seeking someone more capable. Sometimes you submit simply because it turns you on sexually and you are submitting to a person who inspires that arousal. Not a damn thing to do with self improvement, unless you believe that having multiple orgasms improves ones mood.

So the only time I am ever beneath someone in that context, is when he is physically on top of me or I am on my knees.

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RE: Is your slave beneath you? - 10/11/2010 10:36:27 PM

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On this subject it has always been my belief that the point of submission is for a inferior to find the comfort in submitting to a superior. Where these inferiority's and superiority's are within the person is irrelevant, but the submission is an attempt to improve ones self by finding someone who can supplement a weakness, or fulfill a need. To me the concept of an equal submitting to another equal seems to make little sense, why would one give rulership over themselves to one they did not deem more capable then themselves.

My submission to the man has nothing to do with trying to supplement a weakness. It's because I am naturally submissive in an intimate relationship and his character is impressive enough to me that I can't help but submit to him. Sure, in some areas of life he is a lot more capable than I am; in other areas I might be more capable than he is. Together we're a great team. Within that team, he has all the authority, because we both need him to.

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RE: Is your slave beneath you? - 10/14/2010 9:49:17 PM

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On this subject it has always been my belief that the point of submission is...

There's a "point" in submission? Carol has no "point" for her submission. It's how she views the world.... a reflection of her internal priority tree. Her only "point" in submitting is to make good decisions according to her own internal set of priorities... high among them is avoiding conflict and being pleasing.

Carol's believes I am competent to do the job of owning her. But in some ways she's going to be more capable, in other ways me. In the end, it more or less evens out. But my being "more capable" than her is not relevant to why she submits. The fact that I'm likely to do at least a good a job owning her as she would do is an enabling factor. But the reason she does it is because I want her to. That's how dominant and submissive personalities work.

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RE: Is your slave beneath you? - 10/16/2010 4:03:52 PM

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For me, above/beneath are parts of the same coin, the same as teach/learn is, or submission/dominance etc. While there's a tendency or nature for one to be in either position, it doesn't preclude your experience of the other side of the same coin, if you're looking close enough.

A teacher learns while teaching and a student teaches while learning. It's just not always as obvious. We might well be focused on being one side of that coin; but I am sure many see and experience the other side as well. It's not as easy to notice that a Dominant is submitting to specific position in the partnership, mostly because it isn't done the same way that we observe submissives doing what we label as submission. The same is true for submission dominating another's attention, it's again just not as obvious because we tend to focus on the labeled behavior.
I love paradox.

It's a coin that is constantly flipping and if one only notices the more obvious earmarks, I think there less of chance for appreciation in the beauty of the coin (D/s, M/s) itself, much less the opportunity to grow in the relationship.

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RE: Is your slave beneath you? - 10/16/2010 6:33:06 PM

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Fast reply because Master told me to...

He was looking over my shoulder as I read the thread and told me to say this:

"My slave is always beneath me... she is nearly six inches beneath me at all times. Because I'm taller than her, duh."

He made me giggle. But seriously, since he has made me reply, I will add that I am not beneath him when it comes to my worth or intelligence or abilities or value or anything of that sort. I am not less that him, but rather the second part of the Yin-Yang that is our relationship. It is as everyone else has been saying, it's a hierarchy, and he happens to be higher on the tier of command, but not of worth. In fact, he's at the very top of that tier, and I'm on the very bottom, but in the tier of who's better than the other or more important, we are on equal standing. And he agrees with this statement. =)

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