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Diet change to improve health condition - 10/3/2010 7:09:39 AM   
PeanutTigerinBox


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I looked into the advice from the final poster which was gluten free diet to get rid of symptoms, via the online search machine, but also read sometimes levels view...now...I am happy to give it a go (though probably not this year anymore with my agenda) to try out gluten free (had once a client who had to be on a gluten free diet, so I am not unfamiliar with buying gluten free food) to see if it makes a change or not...also my sister-in-law went onto gluten free for a while as it seemed to cause problems to my nephew, so in case I might have problems with gluten he could have gotten it from our side of the line...

However, having some thoughts about it I was just wondering if anyone of you ever changed diet to try to improve your health (not talking about diet to lose weight, but instead about changing food intake to improve symptoms for any health conditions....and if you did so, did it help? for how long it was done and if you still do it or not...

Whilst I have fibromyalgia since childhood (it was just normal to me to be in pain about 300 days a year and so did not bother me as such, it only started to bother me when it significantly worsened in the last 3 years that it affected my ability to sleep pain free and then I finally got a name for it) I always ate everything and I think my GP is right that I won't need my meds anymore once I eat healthier again and ensure to get enough rest, sleep, exercises and less stress, as after all I was always fine with my day to day pain all my life. So I think I can do well in future life with continuing eating whatever I want, however, reading suggestions like that makes me curious and it is of course certainly worth to try it out. gluten free also seems to be good for IBS which is another of my issues I am having (which is common with FMS).

Therefore, anyone tried out any food change in that respect?

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RE: Diet change to improve health condition - 10/3/2010 7:22:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes.  I was having a lot of stomach problems last year.  I gave up coffee and it made a tremendous difference in my symptoms.  I had a lot of bloating and stomach pain.  I have a hiatal hernia which previous to a scope this spring, had been unknown.  Since this discovery I have been more careful not to over-eat and cut back on deep fried foods.  I still miss coffee, but giving it up was a good decision for me.

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RE: Diet change to improve health condition - 10/3/2010 8:03:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I control my insulin levels with the way I eat. Doing so has improved my overall health(cholesterol, blood pressure, etc.). It also seems to keep my energy levels more consistent and may help my anemia. Since I almost never eat refined foods, the way I eat for the most part is close to gluten free but that wasn't my goal. I just eat more "primally".

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RE: Diet change to improve health condition - 10/3/2010 8:08:35 AM   
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quote:

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However, having some thoughts about it I was just wondering if anyone of you ever changed diet to try to improve your health (not talking about diet to lose weight, but instead about changing food intake to improve symptoms for any health conditions....and if you did so, did it help? for how long it was done and if you still do it or not...



I've tried to follow a low carb eating plan for sometime...not always with success (g*d, I do so love the taste of fresh baked bread!). I'm type 2 diabetic and realize that carbs coming from mainly bread/grain based foods react like poison in my body. My blood sugar level shoot sky-high and take far too long to return to normal.

Over the past 1 1/2 months, I've been counting carbs (I try for no more than 90-100g per day...which is still high but these come mainly from vegetables, limited fruit and dairy.) and have lost 10lbs. My doctors are happy about the weight loss but that wasn't my goal, which was/is excellent blood glucose control. The weight loss is just a fortunate side effect ;-)

All that being said...I do treat myself to a fresh croissant at the local bakery once in a while...I just don't keep those kind of foods in the house anymore.


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RE: Diet change to improve health condition - 10/3/2010 10:17:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've had to reduce carbs since finding out I'm diabetic.  I eliminated undiluted fruit juice, quit frozen prepared meals, and cut back on baked goods.  I've done it for a year and it has helped my condition a lot.  I've also dropped ten pounds.


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RE: Diet change to improve health condition - 10/3/2010 11:00:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sob, sob... I'm so friggin hungry! I want food and tasty food at that! I am in the middle of the switch to gluten free. The problem is, that the problem went unrecognized for so long that there may be damage and now sugars or certain types of sugars effect me. All my life I had problems and no one understood why. I had nausea like a chemo patient. They did every kind of test they knew to do and still nothing showed up. I tried every type of diet they told me to and nothing worked. We finally gave up.

Until the last few months and hell set in. Finally we figured out it was Celtic's disease and we suspect more. I am just hesitating on some testing because of the cost. I figured one step at a time. Get the gluten out... I tried getting rid of the milk and was sick as a dog. When I haven't made a mistake and gotten some hidden thing or something you wouldn't think of being a problem... I do far better and I know we are on the right track... but one little thing off and I am in hell again.

No processed foods of any type. No ground spices. No flavored yogurt. I learned that the hard way! Things you would think have no connection, do. One bad thing and you can be out of it for days. Anything harder to digest... run from! If you have a problem with gluten for a long time... you are going to have to baby that digestive system for a while. You will be hungry... so hungry you could eat anything and you will want to, but don't.. take it from me still being in hell here! I wasn't hungry before and I ate very little because if I ate, I got sick. Now, just taking the small amounts of gluten out, has me so hungry I could weep. I am still terrified to eat.

I went to meats... big mistake! No steak for me.. not till I am doing better. I am sticking with broiled or roasted chicken, turkey and fish. With fish, they always say use canned fish if you are going for tuna... I buy the packaged tuna and salmon and haven't found out what the difference is yet. I just need to find something I can cover the taste of meat with as I am not a big meat eater.

Good luck with your new goal and I hope you find your answers!


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RE: Diet change to improve health condition - 10/3/2010 11:33:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the case of diabetics, people are  told to change their diet to improve or control, or if you're just in the pre-stages prevent diabetes. I don't know them and I am not them,  so I can't  speak for any of them, however my grandma was in severly poor shape because her care taker wasn't managing her diet or making her exercise or nothing, and once my mom got ahold of grandma and became her care taker, she got off the massive amounts of insulin she was taking she dropped all her excessive weight, , she exercised and walked and  my mom made her dress properly and not in huge ratty old clothing pinned on so it'd fit. she was far, far healthier than she'd ever been under her other daughters care.



This change in eating and health habits  was a forever for the rest of your life change.
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However, having some thoughts about it I was just wondering if anyone of you ever changed diet to try to improve your health (not talking about diet to lose weight, but instead about changing food intake to improve symptoms for any health conditions....and if you did so, did it help? for how long it was done and if you still do it or not...




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RE: Diet change to improve health condition - 10/3/2010 1:35:31 PM   
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No processed foods of any type.


Best wishes to get yourself better Lockit, but according to what I read (as I stumbled over Celtic's disease when I had a quick look into FMS and gluten free) you already seem to go ahead for the better

In regards to processed food, I am heavily against them (or let put it this way, heavily against ready meals).

When I came to the UK I had about 8 weeks where I was basically living on ready meals as I had a crap kitchen with not really heaving space to prepare "propper food". I realised I couldn't sleep good anymore. Every 1-2 hours I woke up for no apparent reason. Considering I only had 4 hours sleep during the week and 6 hours sleep at weekends with my work schedule I needed my 4 hours proper sleep!

Then one day I stumbled over a reduced chopping board which was just the size of my 2 cooking plates I had, so I bought it, covered up my 2 plates and cooked my vegetable soup from scratch....and gosh did I sleep again like a baby (that was 3 years before I knew to have FMS and before FMS caused problems to sleep). Since then I only grab those meals when I really need something easy going fast eg when I am rushing from work to work. But to 99% it's not coming into my trolley anymore.

Since then I also at times argue with other staff who buys that crap food for our clients (adults with learning disabilities) and receive lame excuses a la "thats what he chose" and "yes, but his body is used to that." My o my, that's not a reason to continue to give them that kind of food!!! after all, they didn't chose to have it as a ready meal, they only chose what they would like to eat and only because their body might be used to it does not mean it should continue that way...

To experience how much it impacted on my body was quite a shock as at home I never had the type of ready meal which are over here as we don't have them that much in the shop as it is here the case. Of course sometimes I had my ravioli from the tin or pizza from the freezer, but apart from that my food was always fresh cooked from mum or grandma and gosh do I value it since I experienced what impact it can have on the body.

With moving to my new place these days I am about to start to improve my cooking skills and bought many new cooking books...can't wait to have all in place and to get started...at the end of the month my huge food delivery will be on the way to me



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RE: Diet change to improve health condition - 10/3/2010 2:21:50 PM   
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RE: Diet change to improve health condition - 10/3/2010 2:42:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you PeanutTigerinBox! I am wishing you well in all of this! I really don't eat a lot of junk, because it made me ill, but even good foods made me ill, so I was/am in a mess. There are two things that are consistent in my diet. Milk and coffee. I use both for medical purposes and yet there could be a back lash to them. I am wondering if I take caffeine tablets if I can replace the coffee. I wouldn't take a whole tablet, but I must do something. I have a disease that causes migraines that can do brain damage and mild strokes. The coffee has kept me out of ER and from most migraines since 2001 when I discovered coffee helped, which means less mild strokes. I dose myself with strong coffee from about a quarter cup to half a cup a couple times a day. I believe this is a problem for me and need to find another way to do this. If I don't drink milk... oh god, I am sick, sick within a days time.

areallivehuman, I wish you continued success in keeping yourself healthy!

To everyone, Thanks for sharing in PeanutTigerinBox's thread. I am sure your post's help many, even if just a few respond.


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RE: Diet change to improve health condition - 10/4/2010 5:00:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes. I limit dairy intake severely. IBS. I don't have a problem with breads though, it's mainly the dairy. I use a tablespoon or so in my tea and have the occasional ice cream, but I rarely eat any cheese except one slice on a burger once every couple of weeks.

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RE: Diet change to improve health condition - 10/4/2010 6:36:55 AM   
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For me, (and not necessarily for anyone else) it wasn't fewer carbs so much as less of everything = less calories.

As a result of my going on a medication to prevent migraines ...a side effect was a lessened appetite and I simply ate less.
I also have been on medication for hypothyroidism for 11 months now.

I have lost over 40lbs this year.
IF weight loss continues and I keep it off, I will probably reverse the diabetes.
Currently, with my pcp's blessing I am not taking any medication or insulin and my A1c is under 7.
We are watching it every 2-3 months.

edit: add word for clarity

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RE: Diet change to improve health condition - 10/4/2010 2:23:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		gosh, thats incredible angelikaJ

all the best to continue with that one and the possibility to reverse it

I want to start to get back on track with my weight in november as I need to get rid of 3 sizes if I wanna stand a chance to fit into my graduation dress in may next year. I lose well when my mindset is right, its just that at times when stress is too much (eg due to uni or moving as it is right now) then I gain fast a lot due to way too much chocolate and coke consumption, but once I cut that down to once a week I lose it fast. With my new place I am renting now I also want to start to drink herbal tea again in the evenings (without any milk or sugar) instead of crap fizzy stuff...so I decided today to get started in november by when I should have done more than half of my dissertation and should be able to stick to it.

I subscribed recently to different food recipe magazines to get new ideas about what to cook to stick more to eat proper food instead of crap from the local corner shops...

And toppingfrombottom your example sounds very familiar here. Working here in residential care I wondered sometimes why no staff interfered before certain clients became as heavy as they are now. One of my homes is now successfully on a diet programme (though a bit over the top IMO) but they do incredible well and it was great to see them recently having lost 8 kg in the last 8 weeks just due to changed diet...some of the staff thinks only a la just give them food, whatever is quick to do will do....instead of cooking food from scratch and cooking a well balanced meal, or overload them with tripplesized meals...

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RE: Diet change to improve health condition - 10/4/2010 5:52:48 PM   
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gosh, thats incredible angelikaJ

all the best to continue with that one and the possibility to reverse it

I want to start to get back on track with my weight in november as I need to get rid of 3 sizes if I wanna stand a chance to fit into my graduation dress in may next year. I lose well when my mindset is right, its just that at times when stress is too much (eg due to uni or moving as it is right now) then I gain fast a lot due to way too much chocolate and coke consumption, but once I cut that down to once a week I lose it fast. With my new place I am renting now I also want to start to drink herbal tea again in the evenings (without any milk or sugar) instead of crap fizzy stuff...so I decided today to get started in november by when I should have done more than half of my dissertation and should be able to stick to it.

I subscribed recently to different food recipe magazines to get new ideas about what to cook to stick more to eat proper food instead of crap from the local corner shops...

And toppingfrombottom your example sounds very familiar here. Working here in residential care I wondered sometimes why no staff interfered before certain clients became as heavy as they are now. One of my homes is now successfully on a diet programme (though a bit over the top IMO) but they do incredible well and it was great to see them recently having lost 8 kg in the last 8 weeks just due to changed diet...some of the staff thinks only a la just give them food, whatever is quick to do will do....instead of cooking food from scratch and cooking a well balanced meal, or overload them with tripplesized meals...


I did the gluten free thing for about a year and a half.  I felt loads better then I used to at times.  (These days now that I have other situations under control its reallyquestionable if it was gluten or just odd timing and coincidence.)  I quit the diet change when I found a new doctor who would seriously consider a celiac diagnosis.  (Sadly I am still in the process.)  Let me tell you, transitioning was hell.  If you do truly go gluten free for an extended period, you may want to consider that your body may not handle it well if you decide to indulge.  (I found out the hard way what foods tend to be tainted that should in theory be gluten free.)

Be careful about what products you substitute if you decide to attempt this.  Most "alternative" products are heavily laden with rice flour, or other very simple carbs and more or less end up being total junk to your system.  If you aren't careful its pretty easy to go out of your way to plan meals and have them end up being just as bad as if you pulled a frozen meal out of the freezer or went through the drive through.  To do it healthy you have to change you're entire food outlook from scratch - not just find substitutes.  It takes a lot of work, and in the end while some of my health issues improved... a lot of them increased.  Unless I really manage to get a true celiac diagnosis I don't think I'll ever go back to gluten free.  Its become a huge diet fad... but from a personal level the results really weren't worth the cost in the end.   (I won't go into it too much here, but feel free to message me on the other side.)

From a personal perspective I would suggest perusing other normal healthy diet changes before going so drastic. If you manage to do the rest, sleep, exercise & stress relief things and such that you talked about without much success then I think it might really be something to test out.  I wouldn't just cut it out without trying other avenues first.  It really is hard to truly replace some of the associated things you'd be cutting out by association.  (and fyi - after doing it for 20 months.... it took me almost a year to get my body used to actually digesting gluten/wheat again.  Your mileage certainly may vary, but its something I really wish someone in many of the gluten free groups I was part of would have mentioned!)

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RE: Diet change to improve health condition - 10/6/2010 1:39:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		One of the reasons patients under care don't have their diets changed is that this is the only source left for pleasure for many. My father's in his 80's and his faculties are not what they once were. But he can still appreciate a bagel with cream cheese and lox. He still gets pleasure from  chocolate ice cream. How are we to take that last bit away from him when life has taken so much else?

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RE: Diet change to improve health condition - 10/6/2010 4:53:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have often on this forum counseled a strict diet - gluten free - for people with chronic illness. Even in the thread that you linked to. One person only tried it one or two years ago without effect. Dozens or hundreds of others did not try it - and of course show no improvement either.

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RE: Diet change to improve health condition - 10/7/2010 3:12:17 PM   
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One of the reasons patients under care don't have their diets changed is that this is the only source left for pleasure for many. My father's in his 80's and his faculties are not what they once were. But he can still appreciate a bagel with cream cheese and lox. He still gets pleasure from  chocolate ice cream. How are we to take that last bit away from him when life has taken so much else?


The guys I referred to are people with learning disabilities...of course we can let them eat 20 packets of crisps every single day and take them to Mc Donalds every day as that is what they like to do (have experienced that view)...however, we also have a duty of care which means to enable them to eat healty food and to try to avoid them gaining overweight or if they are to help them to get back on track with the weight. As service providers we don't do a good service if clients pass away in their 40s due to heart attacks due to just consuming fatty foods or when they unneccessarily end up with having diabetes at some point. And having experienced the impact it had on me when I was temporarily living on ready meals I am glad that the houses I am working in got much better with the food they do in recent years.

To eat healthy doesn't mean they can't enjoy what they like to eat...and in my experience it is in my client group (as most of them are not the elderly) not about the only source of pleasure for them left....often it is about staff being either unable or too lazy to cook from scratch and so just buy quick ready meals as it doesn't do much work for the staff to prepare it. Just recently I gave one manager a link where his team can find many more recipes online to gain further ideas about what to cook, as often the tendency happens that the meals are simply repetitive every 2 weeks and quite frankly care providers can do better than that. After all, the days of providing institutionalised food are finally over in the UK, too, thankfully.

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RE: Diet change to improve health condition - 10/7/2010 3:20:59 PM   
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I have often on this forum counseled a strict diet - gluten free - for people with chronic illness. Even in the thread that you linked to. One person only tried it one or two years ago without effect. Dozens or hundreds of others did not try it - and of course show no improvement either.


Well, I am not pro such a strict diet and doubt to do your suggestion. It's interesting to hear as a suggestion but not my cup of tea. Gluten free I will try but when the time is right for me during next year at some point (most likely after my graduation). However, for me it is not about to change the diet in the long term (at least I don't expect that as outcome) it is simply curiousity to check it it makes a positive difference or not, which is why I am curious about others experiences. I have my chronic condition since at least 24 years and was fine with it until my whole lifestyle changed for the worse in the UK in the last 5 years as I am used to be in pain about 300 days per year. So I am sure to be fine enough again (meaning will only have pain during the daytime again and not in a way that it impacts big time on my sleep wt night time) once I work normal amount of hours again (instead of 250+ hours a month) and get my regular sleep and rest again, which simply isn't the case for me in the UK...as diet is one aspect to improve it but also only one in my condition as I fail in all 5 aspects which worsen the condition (diet, to pace myself, reducing my stress level, exercising and getting enough sleep and rest).



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RE: Diet change to improve health condition - 10/7/2010 4:20:18 PM   
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we have no meat or dairy in our house ("almost vegan") and little-to-no processed food.
the only beverage we drink is water.

the only difficult part is the labor intensiveness of preparing and cooking meals.
i spend a lot of time every day chopping fruits and vegetables, soaking beans, making vegetable stock, bread etc.
i have to PLAN and i have to EXECUTE.

the cardiologist says we are the 1/100 households she sees that make the changes and show results. this means fewer cardiac meds, less chance of heart attacks, longer life expectancy. i'll take that over cheesecake and hot pockets.


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RE: Diet change to improve health condition - 10/13/2010 2:33:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm still trying to work out what the deeper issues are with my body, but I have improved my health by changing my diet.  I switched over to eating mostly raw food (fresh smoothies, salads, etc.) and eliminated red meat, dairy and wheat.  The more fruits and vegetables I eat, the more refreshed I am when I wake every day.  I had some edema in my legs which comes back with the regularity of the gears in a time-keeping device whenever I eat a lot of 'bad' foods.  I lose weight without feeling hungry when I eat raw.  I feel less logy and exhausted.

I read that you feel really sick when you quit dairy.  I understand the temptation to believe that this means that dairy is good for you, but that belief may be doing you harm.  Cow hormones are very similar to human hormones, which means that while you may feel better when drinking milk, it may be because you are kind of addicted to the boost you get - while the hormones may be overstimulating you and causing harm in other ways.  The sickness you feel may be withdrawal from a harmful addiction, similar to that of a maintenance heroin addict coming clean.  I recommend finding time to just BE sick for a couple weeks of going without milk, just to be absolutely sure that dairy isn't what's causing your problems in the first place.

Offering advice of any kind is hairy, and diet and medical advice is Sasquatch-worthy.  I appreciate the chance to say my piece, anyway.

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