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Dungeon Party - 9/29/2004 3:23:16 AM   
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Please help me to understand why......

I was at a so called dungeon party last week end....I had some thing scare the shit out of me so bad that ....I truly am ashamed to be telling anyone this...but here gose.....

A sub male was in a rubber suit....the Domme a friend of mine....wrapped him in saran wrap...not once but twice.....he had on as well a type of home made spreader/posture bar...all of this wrapped up on him.....the Domme was so proud of herself...until she lost control and began to panice...wanting help to get him out....now she and the newbie sub think he hit sub space......which did not occur.....I have been in the life long enough to know ....in her panic ....I saw on her face that she the Domme was scared to death...no I had never been around her while playing or sceening....and afriend of mine knowing I was in to knife play....yelled for one of my knives...I gave it to him and he started to cut out the sub....the sub was on the brink of passing out....eyes dialited and so fourth.....his body temp was rising ..the Domme was yellin not to use the knife she wanted sicorrs....fuck if we cared as long as we got him out...we got him out A OK....but my problem is this.......

1) I know she lost control..... and I know the saying ..." when a Dom/mme lose s control they become a danger"
2) how do I explain to her that I know she has no idea od what she is doing when it comes to intense play?
3) how do I tell them both that he was not in subspace?
4) how do I explain that he needs to check people out before play?

yes he is very new to all of this

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RE: Dungeon Party - 9/29/2004 6:19:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MissFem

Please help me to understand why......

I was at a so called dungeon party last week end....I had some thing scare the shit out of me so bad that ....I truly am ashamed to be telling anyone this...but here gose.....

A sub male was in a rubber suit....the Domme a friend of mine....wrapped him in saran wrap...not once but twice.....he had on as well a type of home made spreader/posture bar...all of this wrapped up on him.....the Domme was so proud of herself...until she lost control and began to panice...wanting help to get him out....now she and the newbie sub think he hit sub space......which did not occur.....I have been in the life long enough to know ....in her panic ....I saw on her face that she the Domme was scared to death...no I had never been around her while playing or sceening....and afriend of mine knowing I was in to knife play....yelled for one of my knives...I gave it to him and he started to cut out the sub....the sub was on the brink of passing out....eyes dialited and so fourth.....his body temp was rising ..the Domme was yellin not to use the knife she wanted sicorrs....fuck if we cared as long as we got him out...we got him out A OK....but my problem is this.......

1) I know she lost control..... and I know the saying ..." when a Dom/mme lose s control they become a danger"
2) how do I explain to her that I know she has no idea od what she is doing when it comes to intense play?
3) how do I tell them both that he was not in subspace?
4) how do I explain that he needs to check people out before play?

yes he is very new to all of this

Show her this post, or write it to her in an email. Recommend a mentor, or workshops in the skills she wants to learn so she can do it safely.

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RE: Dungeon Party - 9/29/2004 8:20:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MissFem

Please help me to understand why......

I was at a so called dungeon party last week end....I had some thing scare the shit out of me so bad that ....I truly am ashamed to be telling anyone this...but here gose.....

A sub male was in a rubber suit....the Domme a friend of mine....wrapped him in saran wrap...not once but twice.....he had on as well a type of home made spreader/posture bar...all of this wrapped up on him.....the Domme was so proud of herself...until she lost control and began to panice...wanting help to get him out....now she and the newbie sub think he hit sub space......which did not occur.....I have been in the life long enough to know ....in her panic ....I saw on her face that she the Domme was scared to death...no I had never been around her while playing or sceening....and afriend of mine knowing I was in to knife play....yelled for one of my knives...I gave it to him and he started to cut out the sub....the sub was on the brink of passing out....eyes dialited and so fourth.....his body temp was rising ..the Domme was yellin not to use the knife she wanted sicorrs....fuck if we cared as long as we got him out...we got him out A OK....but my problem is this.......

1) I know she lost control..... and I know the saying ..." when a Dom/mme lose s control they become a danger"
2) how do I explain to her that I know she has no idea od what she is doing when it comes to intense play?
3) how do I tell them both that he was not in subspace?
4) how do I explain that he needs to check people out before play?

yes he is very new to all of this


MissFem,

What you have just described is very dangerous! Neither one of these people should be playing around with this kind of bondage! They are both irresponsible, and this could well have ended up in tragedy! That's why we have DMs (Dungeon Masters) -- people who watch to see if the players get themselves into trouble.

These people have a lot to learn! I cannot emphasize this more! And they should absolutely not involve themselves in play until they become more experienced and knowledgable.

Not knowing where this party took place: whether it was in a private home or at a public play party, this whole scene could have ended up with someone dying!

This kind of ignorance tends to end in tragedy, and would undoubtedly give the whole community a bad name!

It was pure luck that you were there with a kife, and could cut him loose. Sorry for the rant, but this is serious stuff!!!

Please impress upon this so-called "Domme" that she really needs to educate herself by taking classes and consulting those who specialize in plastic wrap bondage and breath control before attempting anything like this again!

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RE: Dungeon Party - 9/29/2004 8:47:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ModeratorSix

Were you the DM for this soiree? There's my two pence, for what it's worth.

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believe it or not SHE was....yes he could have died and we all would have been responisible

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RE: Dungeon Party - 9/29/2004 12:59:04 PM   
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Is a DM who plays while he/she is "on duty" common?

I would think a DM going off and having fun during a play party is dangerous-- irrespective of any lack of skill in extreme bondage. Kinda seems like the cop who plays an exciting video game when he's really supposed to be chasing down a violent criminal.

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RE: Dungeon Party - 9/29/2004 5:21:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ModeratorSix

Well then. That sheds a little different light on things. I'd probably tell her in no uncertain terms that while you like her personally, she's obviously not qualified to DM, especially in a situation where high-risk play is involved, and that you won't be attending any more of her functions, and will warn others off if asked. If she takes that like a grown-up in any significant way, then you might suggest to her where she can get some mentoring and training to become what she's pretending to be. If she doesn't, I'd get as much daylight between her and I as I could, as fast as I could, if I were you. When safe and nice conflict with one another, be safe. Those who are unsafe because they are pretending to be something that they are not harm us all.


The opinions that I have expressed here are my own. They do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the owners, admins, or other moderators of collarme.

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I totaly agree with you on everything you said...I will do my best to explain this to her and show her the thread as to see others opinions....thanks for the help

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RE: Dungeon Party - 10/9/2004 8:01:13 AM   
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IMPORTANT:

I am the sub in question.....I was the one in plastic wrap that the OP is discussing.

I WANT TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT

In no way was I in any danger or felt in any danger at any time. Body temperature was fine and my Mistress was checking in with me every 2 minutes to make sure I was safe. My face was NOT in plastic so I was able to breathe just fine. In no way did I feel dehydration and yes, AFTER I ACHEIVED SUB SPACE, as I came down, I started to complain that my wrist was achy since it was bound. Without me even asking to be removed, Mistress asked for assistance to remove me. A box cutter was handed to her and I heard her say that she did not want a razor blade against me... a scissor was immediately produced and I was out of the plastic wrap in less than 30 seconds. My Mistress then gave me proper aftercare for approx 30 minutes which included plenty of bottled water.

IN NO WAY DID I FEEL MY LIFE WAS ENDANGERED. Please ask the sub in question before everyone flies off the handle and starts making judgements.

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RE: Dungeon Party - 10/9/2004 1:27:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kinkyboy

IMPORTANT:

I am the sub in question.....I was the one in plastic wrap that the OP is discussing.

I WANT TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT

In no way was I in any danger or felt in any danger at any time. Body temperature was fine and my Mistress was checking in with me every 2 minutes to make sure I was safe. My face was NOT in plastic so I was able to breathe just fine. In no way did I feel dehydration and yes, AFTER I ACHEIVED SUB SPACE, as I came down, I started to complain that my wrist was achy since it was bound. Without me even asking to be removed, Mistress asked for assistance to remove me. A box cutter was handed to her and I heard her say that she did not want a razor blade against me... a scissor was immediately produced and I was out of the plastic wrap in less than 30 seconds. My Mistress then gave me proper aftercare for approx 30 minutes which included plenty of bottled water.

IN NO WAY DID I FEEL MY LIFE WAS ENDANGERED. Please ask the sub in question before everyone flies off the handle and starts making judgements.

Good advice!!!! One can also seek out a DM and ask them about the scene. The DMs are usually notified in advance of edgy scenes that may squick newbies. Once you have talked to the DM, if you are still upset by the scene, go elsewhere, go outside for a breath of air, go to a different part of the dungeon. The Domme was very wise not to use a knife, there could have been unexpected bloodletting. She may want to invest in a pair of surgical scissors to keep in her bag.

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RE: Dungeon Party - 10/9/2004 6:26:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyShoshin


quote:

ORIGINAL: kinkyboy

IMPORTANT:

I am the sub in question.....I was the one in plastic wrap that the OP is discussing.

I WANT TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT

In no way was I in any danger or felt in any danger at any time. Body temperature was fine and my Mistress was checking in with me every 2 minutes to make sure I was safe. My face was NOT in plastic so I was able to breathe just fine. In no way did I feel dehydration and yes, AFTER I ACHEIVED SUB SPACE, as I came down, I started to complain that my wrist was achy since it was bound. Without me leven asking to be removed, Mistress asked for assistance to remove me. A box cutter was handed to her and I heard her say that she did not want a razor blade against me... a scissor was immediately produced and I was out of the plastic wrap in less than 30 seconds. My Mistress then gave me proper aftercare for approx 30 minutes which included plenty of bottled water.

IN NO WAY DID I FEEL MY LIFE WAS ENDANGERED. Please ask the sub in question before everyone flies off the handle and starts making judgements.

Good advice!!!! One can also seek out a DM and ask them about the scene. The DMs are usually notified in advance of edgy scenes that may squick newbies. Once you have talked to the DM, if you are still upset by the scene, go elsewhere, go outside for a breath of air, go to a different part of the dungeon. The Domme was very wise not to use a knife, there could have been unexpected bloodletting. She may want to invest in a pair of surgical scissors to keep in her bag.


Scissors Mandatory

Well, not having been there to see what actually transpired, all W/we have to go on are reports from those who attended this function. i am happy that nothing serious went wrong with the scene, and i was a bit surprised when hearing that there was no scissors present -- only knives. You can certainly understand that details can be convoluted, and misintrepretations are easily formed, so i for one am very happy to hear that your safety was constantly monitored. i have never personally witnessed an encounter which ended in tragedy, but i was happy to hear that yours was more of a positive experience, than that of a negative one.
W/we of the "old guard" philosophy are concerned not only about safety of those who participate in submissive bondage, but W/we, as a community, are also impacted by scenes that end up in tregedy. Fortunately for you, and for others who attended this function, no one was harmed. Thank you for making that clear.

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RE: Dungeon Party - 10/10/2004 1:51:22 AM   
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I did not aask the sub in question simply because I know how the other person reacts....and for the record maybe kinky boy needs to mail the others and see how they felt about it.....I did not think it was safe then and I still do not

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RE: Dungeon Party - 10/10/2004 4:33:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MissFem

I did not aask the sub in question simply because I know how the other person reacts....and for the record maybe kinky boy needs to mail the others and see how they felt about it.....I did not think it was safe then and I still do not


Again, not being there to witness this incident, i can only assume that the persons involved were telling the truth. i also understand that one person's perspective is not the same as another's; and not that there wasn't a real need to act responsibly, and with the safety of others in mind. To err on the side of caution is better than to assume that someone is playing safely, even when it may appear that they are not.
Personally, i have never attended a party, whether it be private or commerical, where someone was perceived by others to be in trouble. At private functions, we generally have RNs and/or people who are knowledgable in CPR present. We take the utmost precautions, especially when piercings or other "blood play' is taking place.
We have very responsible people in our group, and i've never felt that i, or any other participant, was at any time, at risk.
Nevertheless, in some groups it does happen, and presumably in this specific instance, a certain person (or persons) had the presence of mind to cut the plastic wrap, just in case the victim (for lack of a better word) began to panic or lost his ability to breathe.
This incident brings to mind something written to a Usenet newsgroup many years ago. It seems that a Femme Domme placed a slave into a bondage situation, then left the house to go shopping, leaving no one else present in the home to monitor the status of the slave. In this instance, anything could have happened, up to and including the house being burned to the ground, with a dead body to explain away to authorities. Sounds like a scenario for the television series "NYPD Blue," but in all seriousness, it could have ended up in a real life tragedy, and not simply a TV drama.
The last commerical party i attended was at the Scenery in Hayward, California, which is no longer in business due to the loss of their lease. There were no less than 3 DMs at any one time, and they were extremely allert at all times. i spoke to one of them, and while we were talking, he never took his eyes off of the players. And it wasn't until the place cleared out (around 3 A.M) that he, in fact, allowed himself to play. At that point, we were mostly cleaning up the place (sweeping floors and wiping equipment down with alcohol).
Being a DM requires a great deal of responsiblity, and they do offer dungeon master classes in here in the Bay Area. In this community, as in most others, we take safety very seriously, since one tragedy can impact the whole of the community.
My comments here are not meant to be a condemnaion of how others manage their safety issues. They are simply guidelines that we have put into place. My being critical of how others monitor safety does nothing but inflame and antagonize those who really care about the safety of their fellow group members. My commentary was only designed to exemplify how we deal with issues of safety here.
Please play safe, everyone; and by all means, enjoy your get-togethers!
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RE: Dungeon Party - 10/10/2004 8:40:35 AM   
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As the "sub in question", I would like to set the record straight once and for all. I have known the Mistress in question for over a year and consider her my closest and by far most trusted friend in the scene. I have played with her before and am completely confident that my safety has ALWAYS been first and foremost in her mind. Your comment about "emailing the others to see how they felt about it" is interesting in light of the fact that you never bothered to email me yourself before you started posting your (wildly incorrect) opinions about my feelings, not to mention trashing one of my closest friends by spreading rumor and innuendo instead of just emailing me (or even crossing the room to ask me a question during or after the scene, which you also did not do). You were never closer than 10 feet away from me during the entire scene, and I resent your assertion that you knew how I was feeling better than I knew. I am an intelligent and free-thinking BDSM-savvy person, and I am capable of discerning my feelings in this or any other matter. Furthermore, as co-dungeonmaster for the party, it was your responsibility to address any situation you felt unsafe immediately, so why didnt you do so?

Once again and for the record: At no time during the scene in question did I ever feel anything except SAFE AND NURTURED by the Mistress. When she asked if I was OK (which she had done every 2 minutes for the entire scene) and I responded that my wrists ached slightly (which, btw, was due to my recovering from a broken hand suffered a year previously in a motorcycle accident, and had nothing to do with the scene itself), the Mistress IMMEDIATELY asked for scissors and was handed a razor-knife box-cutter instead. She then raised her voice to insist again that she wanted scissors, was given scissors, and proceeded to cut me loose. My most immediate thought was, "Bummer! My hand is fine and I wish she would not end the scene so soon!" Clearly, she was more concerned for my safety than my enjoyment. During the half-hour of aftercare I enjoyed with her I mentioned that my hand was really fine, and she told me she had had no way of knowing that since every previous time she had checked in with me I always replied I was fine, which was the truth. However, she said, she had to err on the side of safety, to which I replied that I understood.

I have played much harder in the past that in this Saran Wrap scene, and we only did it for the fun and so I could add a Yes for "mummification" to my b.com checklist. This was not edge play to me, and from past experience the Mistress knew it. MissFem obviously did not, but she never bothered to check it out before posting all her inaccuracies. I request that all future posts by MissFem on this matter be taken as heresay until checking with me, as I disagree with virtually everything she's posted on this matter up to this point.

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I did not aask the sub in question simply because I know how the other person reacts....and for the record maybe kinky boy needs to mail the others and see how they felt about it.....I did not think it was safe then and I still do not


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RE: Dungeon Party - 10/10/2004 11:28:47 AM   
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From this thread i can see how important it is to get both sides of a story before making judgements.

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RE: Dungeon Party - 10/10/2004 1:26:52 PM   
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kinkyboy,

The problem with your "setting the record straight" posts are the following:

If your Mistress was the DM, she shouldn't have been playing. You haven't addressed that issue at all. Why?

If you really were in "subspace", you would NOT know HOW you were doing! It would absolutely be the responsiblity of your Top to determine your condition. Not you. Your Mistress did make the judgment call that something was wrong with you, and was anxious to get you out of there. I, for one, accept it. You probably should, too.

And lastly, your Mistress had no business doing that scene UNLESS she has her own way of cutting you out of there. It was, IMO, irresponsible for her to not have the tools she needed. In addition, it was outright insolent for her to complain about the tools offered when she asked for help.

So, your post hasn't done a lot to "set the record straight" in my mind.

By the way, since neither your name or your Mistresses' name was given in the orignal post, MissFem hardly needs to get permision from you or anyone else to post and ask for an opinion. I still don't know you or Fem or your Top from Adam.

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RE: Dungeon Party - 10/11/2004 11:49:13 AM   
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I will address your questions below, but I wish to preface that by saying the main issue with me at this time is not whether the party was safe or not, nor whether I was in subspace or not, but one thing only: MissFem, in starting this thread instead of directly contacting myself and/or the Mistress involved regarding her "safety concerns" (more on this below), has generated a rumor mill that had been hurtful and insulting to both the Mistress and myself. Although you mention in your post that "I still don't know you or Fem or your Top from Adam," a sufficiently long and detailed pre-party and post-party thread was generated (on another website) so that the actual people involved were known to numerous members of the other site. To pretend that these comments were posted anonymously is naive, and MissFem is an experienced enough player to know better. For her to claim, as she did (elsewhere), that she did not know that her spreading such rumors in a public forum would be hurtful, is frankly insulting both to me and the Mistress.

In fact it is my opinion that the reason MissFem started the thread had nothing to do with her "safety concerns" at the party (after all, as I mentioned in my previous post, MissFem had ample opportunity to address any safety issues on the spot, and chose not to - she hung out in the room and chatted with the rest of the guests the entire time the scene was taking place). I will not go into the private reasons why she may have done this - except to say that there were some, and they had nothing to do with the party itself. When you take into account her potential for ulterior motives at starting the thread, it is more understandable why she would have posted such a pack of lies and distortions in the first place.

Let me further say that you are obviously entitled to your opinions and I appreciate your obvious concern for my safety that appears to have prompted your comments. But in the future, please read such posts as MissFem's with a "grain of salt" until you have double-checked the facts. Now, to your specific comments:

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ORIGINAL: January

kinkyboy,

The problem with your "setting the record straight" posts are the following:

If your Mistress was the DM, she shouldn't have been playing. You haven't addressed that issue at all. Why?

[The part had TWO dungeonmasters specifically to address this concern, and only ONE of the DM's was allowed to be involved in a scene at any one time.]

If you really were in "subspace", you would NOT know HOW you were doing! It would absolutely be the responsiblity of your Top to determine your condition. Not you. Your Mistress did make the judgment call that something was wrong with you, and was anxious to get you out of there. I, for one, accept it. You probably should, too.

[One site's partial definition of subspace is as follows:

"...the most important thing to remember is there are levels of subspace. It ranges from light subspace to heavy or deep space. The first time a submissive goes into space is usually of the light variety. The submissive can talk, is aware of all around him/her and can say the safe word. The deeper into sub-space the submissive goes, the more the chemicals pump into the blood stream, the more skilled the Dominant must be to keep everything in line. In this deep sub-space, a submissive cannot even hear the Dominant and is most likely unable to talk..."

As you can see from this published explanation, there are at least several, and possibly many, levels of subspace to be experienced. I certainly felt like I was somewhat "out of body" during the scene, but at no time did I lose consciousness and I was fully able to hear and speak throughout the scene. As I mentioned in my previous post, the Mistress checked in on me (usually asking "What color are you, green, yellow or red?") numerous times, which was about every two minutes according to her. I always answered, and my answer every time was "Green." It is unfair for you to presume your knowledge of subspace is so complete that the opinions of we who were there and particularly myself who was the sub involved should be disregarded, and of course I DID accept the Mistress' judgment that it was time for the scene to be ended when it was.]

And lastly, your Mistress had no business doing that scene UNLESS she has her own way of cutting you out of there. It was, IMO, irresponsible for her to not have the tools she needed. In addition, it was outright insolent for her to complain about the tools offered when she asked for help.

[The proper tools were at hand. The box cutter originally offered was NOT one of the prepared tools, and in fact MissFem pulled it out of her handbag instead of handing the Mistress the scissors that were requested. There was no panic during or after the scene. The Mistress insisted on cutting me out when SHE decided it was necessary for safety, well before I would have liked the scene to end.]

So, your post hasn't done a lot to "set the record straight" in my mind.

By the way, since neither your name or your Mistresses' name was given in the orignal post, MissFem hardly needs to get permision from you or anyone else to post and ask for an opinion. I still don't know you or Fem or your Top from Adam.

[See my comments at the top of this post regarding your perception of anonymity.]

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RE: Dungeon Party - 10/11/2004 12:34:46 PM   
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kinkyboy,

It's apparent that any discussion with you about subspace would be futile, so I won't bother to respond to your "definitive" quote on subspace.

It's also obvious that my remarks about your Top having to ASK for shears (shears you claim she already has), as a clear indication of her panic will be ignored by you. That's okay. I won't be insulted.

But your remark concerning my naivete deserves reply:

quote:

Although you mention in your post that "I still don't know you or Fem or your Top from Adam," a sufficiently long and detailed pre-party and post-party thread was generated (on another website) so that the actual people involved were known to numerous members of the other site. To pretend that these comments were posted anonymously is naive, and MissFem is an experienced enough player to know better.


I don't read the other website. I don't know the other website. I don't give a crap about what goes on on another website. I don't know Fem from that site. So bringing up an external thread as some sort of proof for my ignorance is, well, kinda wierd. It does reveal a lot about you and your high emotional state.

So let me say again: Collarme members don't know who your Top is, and the mods will not allow Fem to identify her. On collarme, your mistress does NOT have a reputation to defend. You might want to think about YOUR reputation, however.

As for me "double-checking" the facts before I respond to MissFem's posts: Get real. The world doesn't revolve around you or your Mistress. Or Fem's opinions. I will post according to what I read, thank you. After three of your posts, IMO, I still have nothing to retract.

January

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RE: Dungeon Party - 10/11/2004 2:06:24 PM   
Hellseeqer


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Okay,

My dear friend Femmy seems to have a problem regarding posting in the forums. She asked me to post this on this behalf.

***** MissFem message**************

ok so now Im a liar?...well I was there I know what I heard and saw.......if you have a problem with this we can take it to e-mail......funny how the 2 of you wait till Im on vacation in Fla to start all this...but ok what ever.....if my feelings piss yopu off then you have a lot to learn....if you were in sub-space how do you know what really happened?

***** End of MissFem message********

Not having been there, I cant say my input.

What I think about this thread is that no names was mentionned. If there was a need to set records straight it could of been done in private. A questions was asked and I m sure alot of us have lived or will live a similar situation.

Questions was asked to the readers of the forums regarding a specific situations. In fact Miss Fem here asked advices.

Setting records straight can be done privatly. We are all adults after all.

And a DM should watch and not play.


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Profile   Post #: 20
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