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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/28/2010 3:46:48 PM   
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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/28/2010 8:01:02 PM   
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well, it didnt say anywhere near what you put in quotes


This joint resolution may be cited as the ‘‘Authorization Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002’’.

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate
Pretty darn close to my "any action necessary" wording, Ron.


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but again, you are arguing what is not prohibited by constitution,

I don't follow your argument.


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I made that argument way back when you and your friends were saying it wasn't a war.

Hmmm, I'm not sure you can find anywhere that I claimed it wasn't a war.  I could be wrong, but I surely suspect not.




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now, why the reason for this exacting wordage?  read my posts on this unwarranted debaucle that caused us to invade another country on false pretense and bankrupt our country.........when dealing in war, everything should be exacting, no hipshooting or tailgunning. 

This is a whole 'nother thread all by itself, which we have argued before, I think, so I don't see any particular gain to be had by having it again.  I'm sufficiently comfortable that we will always disagree, so I plan on leaving it at that.

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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/28/2010 8:36:23 PM   
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and attacked with lies and strawmen.


we will see no examples of this, I warrant.  Typical strawman bullshit in that statement.


Lie # 1

Bush lost Florida (wasn't "legally elected", and all that jazz).

He would have only "lost" if a Democratic controlled Supreme Courts attempt to "help" Gore had been allowed to stand.

Several Florida papers and other organizations conducted a balanced recount afterwards, and they all agreed that Bush would have won any reasonable and fair recount.

Lie # 2 

The Bush tax cuts only helped the wealthy and not anyone else.

Anyone willing to look at the numbers can easily discover that the best off Americans ended up paying a higher share of income tax than previously and that the middle class and the least remunerated workers among us received significant benefits.

Lie # 3

That Bush knew that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when he used that as one of his reasons for the war.

In fact, it was only one of many reasons, and it was an intelligence failure on the part of not only the CIA, but the intelligence agencies of other nations, and an intelligence failure prior to the Bush administration (Clinton).

Lie # 4

Bush dithered and played before Katrina, and didn't listen when he was told that there should be an evacuation.

In reality, he warned the responsible local and state officials that they should evacuate.  In fact, he personally called Gov Kathleen Blanco and appealed for a mandatory evacuation, the day prior to the storm.

Lie # 5

Bush banned research on stem cells.

He did no such thing.  He simply removed Federal government funding for most of it, except for the strains of stem cells already widely being used for research.  He did not forbid state funding, or private funding.


Lie # 6

Bush and Chaney were behind 9/11.

Leftiets version of "birthers".  'nuf said.

Lie # 7

Bush wasn't going to allow elections in 2008, so that he could stay in power.

uh huh.

Lie # 8

He "lost" the Iraq War.  The Surge would cause a massive civil war and a massive loss of American lives.

... and others of that stripe.

What say ye now?

Lie # 9

fugget.  Just google "Bush Lied", and anything you see is likely a leftist lie.

And yes, I realize that the committed lefties and their chorus will deny every single one, and they've all been argued a thousand times, so no one is going to change their opinion at this late date.

My point is that you can make a blanket statement, based on your beliefs like they are unchallengeable facts, and I can do the same thing.

I just think mine are more in line with reality.  Just as you think yours are.

C'est la vie

Firm

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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/28/2010 8:52:03 PM   
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Lie #1
You're right, Bush won

Lie #2
No idea, don't know enough about it to form an opinion.

Lie #3
None of us really know just what he knew, and while it was not the only reason for the invasion, it sure as Hell was the one they played up the most, and they found no smoking gun, so it looks like a bogus reason for starting a war.

Lie #4
Again I don't know enough to form an opinion on this particular issue, though my understanding of it is that the Feds can only intervene when invited by the State....correct me if I am wrong here.

Lie #5
Again you are right...I think he was wrong to defund it, but that is another issue altogether.

Lie #6
More of a batshit looney lie than a leftist one.

Lie #7
See lie #6...this one is just as stupid

Lie #8
I agree with you again

See some of us committed lefties are actually very reasonable and do prefer to deal in facts...cheers


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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/28/2010 8:56:34 PM   
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OK, you may be a "lefty", but you aren't an ideologue.

Come over for a beer when you get a chance.

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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/28/2010 8:57:59 PM   
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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/28/2010 9:00:57 PM   
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If I ever get down that way I will take you up on it....hey maybe I am only a LINO

Leftist in Name Only?




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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/28/2010 9:03:00 PM   
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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/28/2010 9:04:24 PM   
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we will see no examples of this, I warrant.  Typical strawman bullshit in that statement.
Lie # 1

Bush lost Florida (wasn't "legally elected", and all that jazz).

He would have only "lost" if a Democratic controlled Supreme Courts attempt to "help" Gore had been allowed to stand.

Several Florida papers and other organizations conducted a balance recount afterwards, and they all agreed that Bush would have won any reasonable and fair recount.

.

C'est la vie

Firm



Here is the refute of your recount nonsense Firm:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_election_recount

The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, sponsored by a consortium of major U.S. news organizations, conducted a comprehensive review of all ballots uncounted (by machine) in the Florida 2000 presidential election, both undervotes and overvotes, with the main research aim being to report how different ballot layouts correlate with voter mistakes.

The media reported the results of the study during the week after November 12, 2001. The results of the study showed that had the limited county by county recounts requested by the Gore team been completed, Bush would still have been the winner of the election. However, the study also showed that the result of "a statewide recount of all disputed ballots... likely would have been different."


Note the bolded part about a state wide recount which is still not a part of Florida election law, last time I checked you still had to request each individual county.  A rather fucking stupid proposition if you ask me.


Electorially,
Some Knucklehead in NJ

P.S. Conveniently leaving out the shit that will stunt your credibility is called DIS-INGENUOUSNESS.


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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/28/2010 9:06:38 PM   
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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/28/2010 9:11:09 PM   
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If you think that "refutes" my statement, then I'll have whatever you're drinking.

Firm



It does refute, though not necessarily in spades, but yours is not the full story of what the consortium found.  As I said DIS-INGENUOUSNESS.



Not so disingenuously,
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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/29/2010 1:09:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Trying to associate the arguments of the mentally deranged with the devastating and irrefutable critique of the Bush administration is a common tactic that is designed only to fool the ignorant and exposes the arguer to legitimate charges of disingenuousness and dishonesty. Find a high ranking Democratic official who accused Bush of knowing about 9/11 and suspending elections. Good Luck. As for Florida, the most though recount (Statewide) would most likely have given the election to Gore, the recounts Gore asked for most likely would not have; none of that of course matter as by any real gauge Florida was a statistical tie. What is not in dispute is that the conservative supreme court that had been so devoted to states rights produced a highly political decision that they did not want uses as precedent and took the decision from the Sate of Florida. I am as far to the left as any on here, but I know of no sane person who said Bush knew there were no WMD (how would he be smart enough to figure that out). What is clear is that without clear evidence and on the urging of people itching to invade Iraq, Bush allowed himself to be tragically influenced and began a disastrous war that undermined the real progress that was being made in Afghanistan.. It is impossible to define won or lost in Iraq and we can only clearly judge the entry into the war and the conduct of it, both of which are damning (Indeed, General Shelton came very close recently to accusing Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld of insubordination in pushing for war after Bush had decided not to pursue it -- an amazing charge). Considering that most scientific research is conducted though grants from the NIH and other Federal Agencies, Bush came close to banning it and to say so is not a lie only not fully explained. The tax cut argument is sophomoric, real income fell despite the tax cut and the non-wealthy saw nothing from the cut (maybe they would have seen even less without it, who knows). Yes, the share paid by the wealthy did rise, but that was because their share of national income dramatically rose. Almost all the benefit of the tax cut adhered to the very wealthy. As for Katrina, state and local officials share some blame, but President Bush was grossly negligent in his attention to and handling of this manner and if you are unable to see that, your eyes may be forever closed. I do not think Bush was fundamentally a dishonorable man, clueless, scared and easily influenced certainly. It is safe to say, he will always be considered in the bottom tier of presidents although clearly not the worst (Buchanan anyone?) and that his policies let to the worst economic calamity in eight years (although all presidents since Reagan share some blame for the free market dogmatism they pushed).

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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/29/2010 1:15:16 PM   
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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/29/2010 2:36:07 PM   
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white space denial is not nice

Damn straight.

(Crap.  I've agreed with Lucy in this thread, and rulemylife in another thread, all within 24 hours .... Quick!  Take me to the doctor!)

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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/29/2010 2:37:40 PM   
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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/29/2010 2:39:58 PM   
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white space denial is not nice

Damn straight.

(Crap.  I've agreed with Lucy in this thread, and rulemylife in another thread, all within 24 hours .... Quick!  Take me to the doctor!)

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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/29/2010 2:41:43 PM   
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white space denial is not nice

Damn straight.

(Crap.  I've agreed with Lucy in this thread, and rulemylife in another thread, all within 24 hours .... Quick!  Take me to the doctor!)

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You have me to keep you at Plancks arms length, and therefore it is impossible to besmirch your yourself in total agreement with the evil anti-conservatives.  

Damnit. Please don't tell anyone we agreed in the Hologram thread ... people sure as hell will talk ....

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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/29/2010 2:43:19 PM   
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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/29/2010 2:45:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		well this plancks length and the pixelations that MUST by Heisenbergs uncertainty principle occur at such a close grained observance would be a damn fine place to hide alal the other dimensions we are trying to string together....

so, our agreements are on topic, because they are hypocritical since we never agree concerning politics. 

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RE: What I find hypocritical about Americans (Pt 1) - 10/29/2010 2:47:41 PM   
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Sort of disheartening to see a thread tittled in this manner quickly devolve into another liberal vs conservative spitting match.
Hypocricy is not limited to America.

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