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Health Care? - 11/7/2010 7:51:34 PM

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Does anyone else think the newely created Health Care Bill won't actually see the light of day?

With the sway in office, all the loopholes and missed "oopsies" that are turning up, I'm wondering if this thing will ever go into effect.

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RE: Health Care? - 11/7/2010 8:09:51 PM

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I fully expect portions of it to go into effect.

I doubt tho the mandate that the individual must purchase a policy- I think that will be voided.

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RE: Health Care? - 11/7/2010 8:41:48 PM

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But that's the part the lobbyists specifically paid for...

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RE: Health Care? - 11/7/2010 9:28:20 PM

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Parts have already gone into effect.

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RE: Health Care? - 11/8/2010 6:16:33 AM

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The folks I know who pay for their own insurance are seeing increases in their premiums so the effects of the bill are already being felt.

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RE: Health Care? - 11/8/2010 6:29:28 AM

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How do you know those increases are due to the Bill? Do you honestly think there would not have been an increase in premiums if there had been no Bill?? There have been increases in premiums every year for as long as I have been paying attention. Not saying that there is no connection, just saying there are other factors here at play that need to be considered as well. The Health Insurance industry has never been a for the good of the people industry as far as my experience....far more a for the good of those running the industry.

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RE: Health Care? - 11/8/2010 7:23:28 AM

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That is not possible.

We have deflation.

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RE: Health Care? - 11/8/2010 8:34:28 AM

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Does anyone else think the newely created Health Care Bill won't actually see the light of day?

No.

Republicans will chip away at its funding as best they can, however.

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RE: Health Care? - 11/8/2010 8:42:15 AM

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The folks I know who pay for their own insurance are seeing increases in their premiums so the effects of the bill are already being felt.

The state’s major health insurers plan to raise premiums by about 10 percent next year, prompting many employers to reduce benefits and shift additional costs to workers.

Increases will range from 7 to 12 percent, capping a decade of consecutive double-digit premium increases, according to a Globe survey of the state’s top health insurers. Actual rates for 2010 will depend on the size of the employer and the type of coverage, with small businesses and individuals expected to be hit hardest. Overall, premiums are more than twice as high as they were 10 years ago.

http://www.boston.com/business/healthcare/articles/2009/09/16/health_insurers_plan_10_rise_in_rates/

And your excuse for them being twice as much as 10 years ago is, of course, because the helath care bill was being planned... oh wait... 10 years ago, there was no such plan. Never mind, lets forget the obvious and blame all this on Obama alone.

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RE: Health Care? - 11/8/2010 8:49:44 AM

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They cant do that. There is no core inflation. Not officially.

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RE: Health Care? - 11/8/2010 8:51:30 AM

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They cant do that. There is no core inflation. Not officially.

Of course they can. One has nothing to do with the other.

AFTER they do, it's a factor.

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RE: Health Care? - 11/8/2010 9:14:10 AM

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They cant do that. There is no core inflation. Not officially.

Of course they can. One has nothing to do with the other.

AFTER they do, it's a factor.

Then that would render them part of the problem, not the solution.

The FED says there is no inflation. People and businesses have plans based on what the fed says.

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RE: Health Care? - 11/8/2010 10:11:26 AM

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They cant do that. There is no core inflation. Not officially.

Of course they can. One has nothing to do with the other.

AFTER they do, it's a factor.

Then that would render them part of the problem, not the solution.

The FED says there is no inflation. People and businesses have plans based on what the fed says.

Really? Common people have plans based on what the Fed says? If that were even remotely true, the country would not be in a recession, nor would have there have been a push to put American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 in to effect. Nor do common people have a plan if deflation occurs. Most Americans, before 2006, gave a small percentage to savings based on their paychecks. The amount of money owed on different forms of credit (i.e. credit cards) was staggeringly high. Your going to convince me, that common people, have plans in place in the event of a deflation or inflation of U.S. Dollars (USD)?

Most business, likewise, do not have such a plan in place. Why would a plumbing company that makes less then $220,000 a year, have a real workable plan in place, if inflation or deflation starts happening? The only folks that you could argue to have such a plan, would be from the financial industry. Accountants, CFPs, Brokers, and more, would be more likely to understand and pay attention to changes in the direction and speed of that direction, of USD.

There is no inflation, pahunkboy. At least not yet. Barring great disasters, I do not see inflation or deflation as the problem. As the economy grows, inflation will rise in tiny amounts. Will it be noticable by the common purchaser of milk and cereal at the store? Not really. The ones that will, are the folks that exchange multiple millions of dollars a day. Just a 1% change can cost a brokerage firm a small fortune. Should we pay attention to it? Of course, and we always will.

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RE: Health Care? - 11/8/2010 10:15:58 AM

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AND he's confusing past (which is what inflation measures), present (which we try to gauge as best we can based on what we've measured) and future (which is what pahb is rambling about, not the Fed).

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RE: Health Care? - 11/8/2010 10:52:11 AM

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Sorry for posting this in the wrong section....

Yes, parts of this have gone into effect, but I don't think the package, as it was originally intended, will emerge.

With such a large portion of people unemployed and without insurance, the fact that rates will increase for individuals doesn't help the problem.   We currently pay for our own insurance, because my employer decided it was better to keep the doors open, rather then provide insurance.   A notice was recently received informing us of an "inflation" increase, (40.00 a year).   This is the first time they have had an increase of this nature since 2001.   We are lucky, in that we are old and can use AARP to it's full advantage...but even then, an inflation increase can be a serious thing for those on fixed incomes.

If you Google search Obama's Health Care, there are conflicting articles on every page, but one thing obviously clear, is that changes are being made. With the current office, I don't think the changes will stop any time soon and I wonder what the final package will be.   More importantly, how it will hit those having to dig into their own pockets for coverage.

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RE: Health Care? - 11/8/2010 11:44:41 AM

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rates will increase for individuals

This depends on where you live.

Btw, if you're going to search Google using partisan-loaded terms, you're going to get partisan results. Why bother?

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RE: Health Care? - 11/8/2010 11:51:33 AM

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: July 2, 2008
CONTACT:Geoff Sugerman, 503-986-1904

2007 Law Leads to First-Ever Review of Insurance Rate Increase

Oregon House Democrats said today that legislation passed last session helped pave the way for the first-ever regulatory review hearing on skyrocketing individual insurance rates for health care plans in Oregon.

Yesterday, a request for review was filed by an individual facing a 26% increase in insurance premiums from Regence. Now, according to DCBS, a hearing will be scheduled to determine if the rate increase is justified. Another Oregon insurance company, Lifewise, also recently raised rates 28% on individual policies.

http://www.oregonwatchdog.com/pressrelease/index.php/-2007-law-leads-to-first-ever-review-of-insurance-rate-increase.html

Rate increases were going on before the health care bill was ever written. Imagine that. 26%.

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RE: Health Care? - 11/8/2010 11:52:31 AM

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The folks I know who pay for their own insurance are seeing increases in their premiums so the effects of the bill are already being felt.

But,...but,...that can't be! Obama said it would be cheaper!
Say it ain't so Joe.

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RE: Health Care? - 11/8/2010 11:56:16 AM

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Pst... they were hiking it years before the elections, pops. Surely you dont deny that.

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RE: Health Care? - 11/8/2010 12:11:43 PM

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We have this in Canada albeit a different version (for now). You won't like it no matter how it turns out. Some doctors (and nurses) who not long ago left Canada for the profitable medical market in the US, are now returning to Canada and that speaks volumes for what is on the horizon.

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