Collarchat.com

Join Our Community
Collarchat.com

Home  Login  Search 

RE: Bdsm is wrong


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: Bdsm is wrong Page: <<   < prev  19 20 [21] 22 23   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/11/2011 12:52:12 PM   
mysouldesire


Posts: 85
Joined: 11/28/2010
Status: offline
quote:

Here's an analogy: when you run across a mountain lion in the woods, one of the best ways to get him to leave you alone is to act agressive. If you do that, he's a lot less likely to bother with you. Not that he has any doubt he could pick you apart like a grasshopper, he just doesn't need the hassle when there are deer and elk around who are more compliant and predictable.

If the lion was desperate or maybe not sure he could take down the graceful deer, he might have a try at you.


Ever lived in Africa where lions breed, protect their young and hunt flesh/meat (which includes humans)?
If so, you would NOT have used the analogy.

(in reply to steve2011)
Profile   Post #: 401
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/11/2011 12:59:42 PM   
mysouldesire


Posts: 85
Joined: 11/28/2010
Status: offline
quote:

the nice guys very often have a great deal of anger inside of them.


I read a book once by Steve Arterburn that addressed this issue.

I'd say so far Steve-o, this is the only thing I might agree with you on.

Am not going to read the pages of response, but for some reason, based on/in your past you believe what you believe.
So you might, in your young age, want to grow up and be tolerant of others and their choices. It will help you alot when you finally reach my age.

(in reply to steve2011)
Profile   Post #: 402
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/11/2011 11:05:49 PM   
HisEvelyn


Posts: 252
Joined: 1/21/2010
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: crazyml

steve,

I'm sure that as a graduate in Psychology, especially one that is smart enough to pursue a Phd (did you mention the topic of your Thesis by the way?) you'd be aware that walking into a room full of kinksters and announcing that what they do is wrong is going to be met with a degree of scepticism.

Your hours of experience as a therapist will, I've no doubt, have taught you that interests and passions of more or less any kind can span an entire spectrum from "positively healthy to downright unhealthy". There are stamp collectors out there that need your help too, you know.

But I'm not here to bandy words with you about the healthiness or otherwise of the kinky lifestyle, I'm here to save you.

I want to save you from your addiction to trolling.

The indications of your hopeless addiction to trolling are all over this thread, but this particular post of yours really did move me :-



quote:

ORIGINAL: steve2011

Take a look at almost every single reply here, all very defensive, which is what I was told would happen.

Whether you like it or not, you are no different to any other addict who's behaviour is pointed out to them.

If you are open minded enough, have a read about defensive behaviour when it comes to addictions, it's actually very interesting.

Here's a snippet to get you started.

Toodle pip.

People get defensive for a number of reasons. It could be that they are uncomfortable with the topic, their ego may be bruised, or they could just be used to abusive people taking advantage of them etc. Mostly though for what ever reason is at the base of it, they feel that they are under attack. For instance often individuals will get defensive even with criticism that is helpful, just because their ego is so fragile they can't except it, so they see it as an attack on the ego and then become defensive.


This is classic "acute trollism", and I want to reach out to you and give you a hug.

Trolls are usually suffering from appallingly low self esteem, and their willingness to pursue an absurd argument (often half-assed and unsubstantiated) is, in many senses, a cry for help.

Well, don't worry poppet! Daddy's here to help you!

Read more, look at some of these threads, look at the emphasis that is placed on nurturing, support, responsibility and ethics.

Look at the empassioned debates we have here about mental health, "where the boundaries are" and personal freedom.

Use these dialogues to help yourself understand the disconnect between your argument and reality. Then, grasshopper, confront your addition to trolling.


Whether you like it or not, you are no different to any other addict who's behaviour is pointed out to them.

If you are open minded enough, have a read about defensive behaviour when it comes to addictions, it's actually very interesting.

[Ed for the typo I noticed]


Can I be a member of your fan club, crazyml? You are always so ridiculously awesome.

(in reply to crazyml)
Profile   Post #: 403
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/12/2011 12:13:15 AM   
wandersalone


Posts: 4666
Joined: 11/21/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: steve2011

I have a degree in psychology, i'm pretty sure I mentioned that, currently studying for a phd and numerous hours of experience with clients, although I find the best therapists strangely enough are the ones with little education and the ability to connect to their emotions.


Studying psychology and even working as a psychologist doesn't necessarily prevent you from being a total whack job you know.  Turn your numerous hours of experience into years of experience and then you might realise the folly of your words.

quote:

ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack

No. No. He's right. BDSM is wrong. It's very wrong and you've been bad. Very very bad. Obviously you need to be punished!
 
(Also, I , too, would like a Cadbury egg, but that's off-topic.)

coughs.... errrrrr ummm I have been very very bad so ummm well you know .... I might need some ..... discipline ......



_____________________________

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. Martin Luther King
Godmother of the subbie mafia
My all time favourite threads
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2002501
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=790885

(in reply to InvisibleBlack)
Profile   Post #: 404
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/12/2011 12:18:27 AM   
Awareness


Posts: 3918
Joined: 9/8/2010
Status: offline
  Christ.  If there's one constant in the universe, it's people's absolute obsession with feeding the trolls.  Give it a fucking rest.

_____________________________

Ever notice how fucking annoying most signatures are? - Yes, I do appreciate the irony.

(in reply to wandersalone)
Profile   Post #: 405
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/12/2011 12:24:59 AM   
wandersalone


Posts: 4666
Joined: 11/21/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness

Christ.  If there's one constant in the universe, it's people's absolute obsession with feeding the trolls.  Give it a fucking rest.

Who hurt you awareness?  Who has made you become such a thoroughly unlikeable fellow? I won't offer you a hug but maybe Crazyml will.


_____________________________

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. Martin Luther King
Godmother of the subbie mafia
My all time favourite threads
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2002501
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=790885

(in reply to Awareness)
Profile   Post #: 406
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/12/2011 12:32:26 AM   
AquaticSub


Posts: 14867
Joined: 12/27/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness

  Christ.  If there's one constant in the universe, it's people's absolute obsession with feeding the trolls.  Give it a fucking rest.


And yet by posting you give the thread a bump to the top, making it more likely to be read and commented on!

_____________________________

Without my dominance you cannot submit. Without your submission I cannot dominate. You are my equal in this, though our roles are different.-Val

It was ok for him to beat me but then he tried to cuddle me! - Me

Member:Clan of the Scarlet O'Hair

(in reply to Awareness)
Profile   Post #: 407
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/12/2011 12:42:03 AM   
coookie


Posts: 541
Joined: 10/25/2010
Status: offline
"Our findings support the idea that BDSM is simply a sexual interest or subculture attractive to a minority, and for most participants not a pathological symptom of past abuse or difficulty with “normal” sex. Richters J, de Visser RO, Rissel CE, Grulich AE, and Smith AMA. Demographic and psychosocial features of participants in bondage and discipline, “sadomasochism” or dominance and submission (BDSM): Data from a national survey." J Sex Med 2008;5:1660–1668
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2008.00795.x/abstract

"The result is a pervasive environment of
denigration and discrimination, despite an increasing body of evidence suggesting
BDSM falls within “normal” and healthy parameters of behaviour" Daryl Champion 2010
http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk/pdf/champion.pdf

I could continue but steve you are making all of us psych students look bad with the drivel you spout as fact. If you are a Grad student, you have access to data banks. Use them.

(in reply to wandersalone)
Profile   Post #: 408
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/12/2011 12:46:15 AM   
crazyml


Posts: 5568
Joined: 7/3/2007
Status: offline
aww c'mon cookie, what are you doing spoiling this marvellous troll-fest with your research-based common sense?

for shame!

_____________________________

Remember.... There's always somewhere on the planet where it's jackass o'clock.

(in reply to coookie)
Profile   Post #: 409
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/12/2011 12:48:09 AM   
coookie


Posts: 541
Joined: 10/25/2010
Status: offline
I know .. I am a funsucker!! But ... it doesnt sound so bad does it?

(in reply to crazyml)
Profile   Post #: 410
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/12/2011 12:53:07 AM   
crazyml


Posts: 5568
Joined: 7/3/2007
Status: offline
Well, not if you put it that way ;-)


_____________________________

Remember.... There's always somewhere on the planet where it's jackass o'clock.

(in reply to coookie)
Profile   Post #: 411
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/12/2011 1:07:18 AM   
GreedyTop


Posts: 52100
Joined: 5/2/2007
From: Savannah, GA
Status: offline
~FR~

"funsucker"

I am liking this word!!

_____________________________

polysnortatious
Supreme Goddess of Snark
CHARTER MEMBER: Lance's Fag Hags!
Waiting for my madman in a Blue Box.

(in reply to crazyml)
Profile   Post #: 412
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/12/2011 1:08:36 AM   
AquaticSub


Posts: 14867
Joined: 12/27/2005
Status: offline
What the Monkey said!

_____________________________

Without my dominance you cannot submit. Without your submission I cannot dominate. You are my equal in this, though our roles are different.-Val

It was ok for him to beat me but then he tried to cuddle me! - Me

Member:Clan of the Scarlet O'Hair

(in reply to GreedyTop)
Profile   Post #: 413
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/12/2011 1:10:22 AM   
rosanegra


Posts: 277
Joined: 1/1/2006
Status: offline
I didn't have time to read the full 20 pages on this topic but I just have to say the original article was very poorly written and truly and deeply demeaning to women. Seriously, this hardly merits that much attention.

_____________________________

"If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless."

(in reply to lovingpet)
Profile   Post #: 414
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/12/2011 1:11:21 AM   
GreedyTop


Posts: 52100
Joined: 5/2/2007
From: Savannah, GA
Status: offline
rosa.. you should read at least every other page.. 

_____________________________

polysnortatious
Supreme Goddess of Snark
CHARTER MEMBER: Lance's Fag Hags!
Waiting for my madman in a Blue Box.

(in reply to rosanegra)
Profile   Post #: 415
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/12/2011 2:25:30 AM   
kalikshama


Posts: 14805
Joined: 8/8/2010
Status: offline
Steve,

This is why you are not taken seriously. It's hard to believe you're an actual Phd candidate.

Thanks coookie.

KK

quote:

ORIGINAL: coookie

"Our findings support the idea that BDSM is simply a sexual interest or subculture attractive to a minority, and for most participants not a pathological symptom of past abuse or difficulty with “normal” sex. Richters J, de Visser RO, Rissel CE, Grulich AE, and Smith AMA. Demographic and psychosocial features of participants in bondage and discipline, “sadomasochism” or dominance and submission (BDSM): Data from a national survey." J Sex Med 2008;5:1660–1668
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2008.00795.x/abstract

"The result is a pervasive environment of
denigration and discrimination, despite an increasing body of evidence suggesting
BDSM falls within “normal” and healthy parameters of behaviour" Daryl Champion 2010
http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk/pdf/champion.pdf

I could continue but steve you are making all of us psych students look bad with the drivel you spout as fact. If you are a Grad student, you have access to data banks. Use them.


(in reply to coookie)
Profile   Post #: 416
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/12/2011 2:32:43 PM   
WarmMarble


Posts: 10
Joined: 1/4/2011
Status: offline
Steve2011 - I think a lot of the replies you are getting here would become less hostile if you were to tell us the subject of your Ph.D, and where you are studying. This would give you a bit of credibility, aswell as being a polite gesture towards the many people who have asked for this information.

Apart from that, I hope that you can conclude this discussion in a less confrontational manner, stick around the boards, participate and read. Somebody in your line of work could learn a lot from a place like this, especially if you have never met any BDSM people in the real world.

(in reply to kalikshama)
Profile   Post #: 417
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/12/2011 2:38:46 PM   
Phoenixpower


Posts: 8098
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: wandersalone


quote:

ORIGINAL: steve2011

I have a degree in psychology, i'm pretty sure I mentioned that, currently studying for a phd and numerous hours of experience with clients, although I find the best therapists strangely enough are the ones with little education and the ability to connect to their emotions.


Studying psychology and even working as a psychologist doesn't necessarily prevent you from being a total whack job you know.  Turn your numerous hours of experience into years of experience and then you might realise the folly of your words.

quote:

ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack

No. No. He's right. BDSM is wrong. It's very wrong and you've been bad. Very very bad. Obviously you need to be punished!
 
(Also, I , too, would like a Cadbury egg, but that's off-topic.)

coughs.... errrrrr ummm I have been very very bad so ummm well you know .... I might need some ..... discipline ......




that was about time that you show up here

_____________________________

RIP 08-09-07

The PAST is history, the FUTURE a mystery, NOW is a gift - that's why it's called the PRESENT

www.butyoudontlooksick.com/navigation/BYDLS-TheSpoonTheory.pdf

(in reply to wandersalone)
Profile   Post #: 418
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/12/2011 3:30:41 PM   
CeriseNin


Posts: 286
Joined: 4/8/2010
Status: offline
*fast reply*

Gracious me. Seems Steve is in need of some hard, hammering strap-on sex while he grips the bedpost and screams.

(in reply to Phoenixpower)
Profile   Post #: 419
RE: Bdsm is wrong - 1/12/2011 8:39:42 PM   
Awareness


Posts: 3918
Joined: 9/8/2010
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: wandersalone

quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness

Christ.  If there's one constant in the universe, it's people's absolute obsession with feeding the trolls.  Give it a fucking rest.

Who hurt you awareness?  Who has made you become such a thoroughly unlikeable fellow? I won't offer you a hug but maybe Crazyml will.

I'm eminently likeable - there's just a high barrier to entry.  Namely, having enough smarts to appreciate a dry, acerbic wit.  There are definitely people here who get me - you not being one of them I'll just put down as one of the tragedies of an uncaring universe.


_____________________________

Ever notice how fucking annoying most signatures are? - Yes, I do appreciate the irony.

(in reply to wandersalone)
Profile   Post #: 420
Page:   <<   < prev  19 20 [21] 22 23   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: Bdsm is wrong Page: <<   < prev  19 20 [21] 22 23   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2024
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.275