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BbcSlutKc -> defiance (12/9/2010 5:33:23 PM)
can someone please please please help me figure out how to over come my ODD/CD disorder? i was actually diagnosed with it 13 or so yrs ago and its an almost an uncontrolable thing for me. i would really like some help from someone who has overcame this same problem or even someone who has helped someone overcome it. i am willing to do what it takes to get rid of it. i have looked many places for help and nothing really tells me anything useful so i thought i would try here. Thanks in advance!! ps message me for any other info u may need to be able to help me.

littlewonder -> RE: defiance (12/9/2010 5:42:16 PM)
I would start by getting therapy and a medical consult.

subinlife -> RE: defiance (12/9/2010 6:47:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder I would start by getting therapy and a medical consult. This. It has to be the best place to start.

DesFIP -> RE: defiance (12/9/2010 7:43:45 PM)
Do you have any other diagnoses? My daughter has oppositional defiance, but it is much more severe when her anxiety disorder is not tightly controlled. So we focus on controlling the anxiety, calming her down, and then the ODD is a nonissue. Most people with ODD also have ADHD and a significant minority have bipolar disorder. She has both as well as the Generalized Anxiety Disorder. If you haven't been evaluated for either of them, go do so. Have you been seen by a good psychiatrist? Are you in therapy with a clinical psychologist? Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is the best for this. And the two of them need to be able to work together. There are various medications that can be used, however you need to be correctly identified for the comorbid disorders as well in order to prescribe effectively. If you have a family history of mood disorders, fill out a family tree with it to bring to the psychiatrist. What medications have you tried?

BbcSlutKc -> RE: defiance (12/9/2010 8:39:38 PM)
they said i did have anxiety when i was younger, they put me on depakote which only made me sick and then paxil which did help quite a bit but i havent had it in about 7 yrs and honestly cant afford it. back then the state paid for it but as soon as i hit 18 i stopped taking it. i WISH i could get the paxil back but money just isnt good enough for it and insurance isnt really an option right now either.

hausboy -> RE: defiance (12/9/2010 9:22:42 PM)
Here are a few websites to get you reading-- [This link really belongs in the Health Section of this website....] If you do not have health insurance, there is a resource in Wichita, KS that provides mental health services for under-served populations who cannot afford to pay for services. They have an outpatient clinic and I encourage you to contact them. They cannot turn you away based on your lack of ability to pay-- (Your profile indicated you're in Wichita KS--I've only been there once, but have colleagues there.) http://www.sedgwickcounty.org/comcare/ ODD is not something that you can simply cure by going on a website like this and get advice from complete strangers. Everything that I have read on the subject pertains to children and teens--so I don't have a large number of resources to share with you re: adults and ODD. http://www.aacap.org/cs/ODD.ResourceCenter This is the ODD Resource Center page of the American Academy of Child and Adult Psychiatry the mayo clinic website also has some good info: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/oppositional-defiant-disorder/DS00630 Good luck--I hope you will reach out for help--contact the professionals who can best help you with your health issues.

DesFIP -> RE: defiance (12/10/2010 4:21:56 AM)
If Paxil is still on patent, there are other SSRIs which will be off patent. Go see your local Mental Health Clinic and talk to them. Kudos to hausboy for finding you those resources.

freyjasdottir -> RE: defiance (12/10/2010 5:50:49 AM)
A number of the medications that you could be put on are on Walmarts $4 plan as well. You need a doctor's appointments for a full mental health evaulation so what is bested for you can be determined and some clinics offer a sliding pay scale. My friend's son was diagnosed with ODD on top of his ADHD a few months ago but not until he got into a mess load of legal trouble, get yourself together before everything falls apart on you.

angelikaJ -> RE: defiance (12/10/2010 10:47:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BbcSlutKc they said i did have anxiety when i was younger, they put me on depakote which only made me sick and then paxil which did help quite a bit but i havent had it in about 7 yrs and honestly cant afford it. back then the state paid for it but as soon as i hit 18 i stopped taking it. i WISH i could get the paxil back but money just isnt good enough for it and insurance isnt really an option right now either. Paxil is available in generic form: paroxetine. It is on Walmart's $4.00 list. Take hausboy's suggestion and call to get an appt. Best wishes.

Termyn8or -> RE: defiance (12/10/2010 10:57:38 PM)
Let's get down to it BBC. Now that the schills for the drug companies have spoken it is my turn. What you describe is what most of my family has undiagnosed, and many of the people I know. The difference is in degree. Over the years things are made to happen. Consequences are met. People go to jail. This is the best treatment really for most. Jail either works the first time or it doesn't. You actually have ambition that is misdirected, and among my folks the ones who made it learned to direct that energy and to focus. You have not because you do not desire to. Nobody can tell you what you should consider important, and if they try they get hell. Am I right ? Drugs won't do it. If the drugs of the 1970s and 80s coudn't do it nothing can, at least drugs. The change comes from within. They put you in jail and then supposedly you live an exemplary life, bullshit. The day you get out you do whatever the fuck you want, and if they get in the way fukum. Am I right ? The turning point comes when YOU want it to. When you get tired of all the bullshit you cause, when you are wearing enough guilt, eventually you have had enough. For some of us it comes too late and there are permanaent consequences. Thart is true of me. I don't wanrt to go into details about that though. Let's just say that firearms, whiskey and I don't mix well. Comes time to snap out of it and that is not pleasant. Enough guilt, enough enemies, enough trouble. No matter how much you may desire the drama, which is what this really is, it gets old. It gets boring. jail is boring, living homeless is boring, You need something new. The longer it takes the more baggage you carry with you once you get your mind together, but don't let that impel you. Only you should be the one to do that. Otherwise there is no real change. Consequences taught me, there are things I can't do now that are taken for granted by others. My past fucked me up, but I am OK. The fact is I would be more OK if I had woken up a few years earlier. Take all the drugs you want, but that's not for me. I beat it the old fashioned way. Can you ? Only one way to find out. T

DesFIP -> RE: defiance (12/11/2010 7:53:40 AM)
I'm fourth generation mood disorder. My daughter and her cousins are fifth generation. Without medications I'd have suicided years ago. Without medication she and her cousins would have suicided years ago. Instead these kids are graduating Ivy League schools. While taking their Strattera or Lamictal every day just like the doctor orders. And none of my family has been to jail.

hausboy -> RE: defiance (12/11/2010 2:14:16 PM)
Termyn8or: I did not specify he needed medications--but what he DOES need is a professional evaluation, that at the minimum, can provide him with whatever resources he might need: including but not limited to: talk therapy, group therapy, medications--whatever a professional healthcare provider determines based on a thorough evaluation. What he does not need are strangers giving him what essentially constitutes medical advice, when they have no basis or foundation whatsoever to do so. Even if you are a trained psychologist, psychiatrist or physician--you cannot determine the causes of his behavioral problems via his two posted sentences on the internet. To do so would be irresponsible. It's a separate thread--but your beliefs on jail and rehabilitation may be skewed by your family experiences. I work closely with healthcare liaisons in the correctional system, and while I believe that jail certainly has a solid purpose-- (more accurately--prison--"jail" refers to the holding area between court and prison)--prison has a purpose, and there are those who truly belong there, but the prisons are also filled with those suffering from mental illness and substance abuse problems, who get zero rehabilitation. The programs that generate success are those that actually provide some sore of rehabiliative program--those that are willing to make change in their lives, those that respond well to therapy and substance abuse programs, and those who receive medical/psych evals and get medications that they need but had no previous access to get---they are the ones who succeed by not returning to prison. I truly am glad to hear that your experience was enough to convince you to make a change--you beat the odds (and the statistics). Most people deserve a second chance in spite of past mistakes.

snackrificeme -> RE: defiance (12/11/2010 2:54:10 PM)
quote: http://www.aacap.org/cs/ODD.ResourceCenter Thanks so much for this. My baby's daddy has severe ODD,ADHD, and possibly bi-polar. He is now currently strung out and I think most likely headed for a serious run in with the law. Sadly, he has used his interest in BDSM to justify some of the most controlling and emotionally abusive behavior imaginable. There's no talking to someone like that as anything you might want is met with desire to do the opposite. Typical conversation: Him:Where do you want to eat? Me:Oh, I don't know. You choose. If I choose it, you won't want to go there. Him:I asked you where you wanted to go. Me: Ok, how about this place. Him: No, I don't want to go there. Let's go here. Me: Sigh. This is a polite conversation. Which is sadly no longer typical. I'm very interested in exploring the difference between dominance and control freak and submission vs codependent.

Charles6682 -> RE: defiance (12/12/2010 2:43:08 AM)
I have ADD myself.Strattera has helped that alot.I use to deal with some bad OCD.Get some therapy.There's more to this problem than just taking a few pill's.I have paxil to be of help for OCD,aniexty and depression.I'm not a doctor,but you did mention you took paxil before and it helped.If for some reason,you can't find a government program to help,there are other option's.Usually most drug companie's have what is known as a "patient assistant program" or something simliar.Basically,it's where the drug companie's will either give you a free supply or a very reduced price on their medication.If you can prove your not on medicaid or medicare,they are a very resourceful thing.Also try to find a generic medication if you can.AS long as it is Paroxetine,that's all that matter's.It's all the same thing.Plus generic medication is alot cheaper as well.Of course,see a doctor first.Their the best one to talk with when it come's to medication.Hope some of this help's.

isoLadyOwner -> RE: defiance (12/12/2010 3:27:53 AM)
The fact that Depakote was prescribed indicates that things are a little complicated. See a Psychopharmacologist if possible but definitely a Physician. Certain medical conditions may be aggravated by the drugs people are suggesting in this thread.

Termyn8or -> RE: defiance (12/12/2010 5:28:04 AM)
Using FR Sorry folks if I am different. Sorry that I do not support drug sales. Sorry that I don't toe the line. BTW if I read the profile correctly the OP is a she. I do care what people think but not enough to change. If she was a he I would say he needs a couple of good ass kickins. It took four guys to kick my ass and one of them needed a gun. Ahhh the good old days. The fact is that I've been deeper into this abyss than most. Really the consequences of which I wrote were not jail. Jail/prison doesn't mean shit to me. Guilt does. The bullet holes, the day after I tried to burn a house down. The fact that people were loyal enough to me to not put me away. How could I fuck them over AGAIN ? The guilt is permanent, of that I am sure. Tearing the door off my picjup truck, why ? When it hits you, it's over. You learn that you actually can control these things, something that will never happen once you resort to chemicals. Sometimes you learn the hard way. I never promised you a rose garden. Life did not come with a guarantee that it would be painless, physically or emotionally. Those consequences taught me. Instead of a drug to keep me mellow I use my mind, therefore if necessary I can get extremely mean. Sometimes it is warranted, but when it is not I stay cool. Now, even if I get fucked over I put it in perspective. A few years ago I got fucked out of $1,500. That asshole is lucky he didn't do it many years ago because quite frankly, he would be dead or in the hospital. But I don't do that. A couple grand ? It's the consequences. Not from the government, something much more powerful, ME. I can no longer afford to be ignorant. I really do deserve to die, and in fact one day I will, but not today. If I fucked with me I would kill me in a heartbeat. Now when I see a black kettle I remember first that I am a black pot. I say this because if the change comes from within rather than within a pill bottle, it can be permanent. Years ago if I had went on drugs the change would never have occurred, and if there was a lack of whatever drug for some reason the world would have had to deal with a real asshole. I can't depend on that. Maybe drugs are the only hope for some, but I still maintain that they should be used only as a last resort. T

angelikaJ -> RE: defiance (12/12/2010 7:19:31 AM)
Termy, With respect, the argument could be made that you have resorted to drugs, both legal and not. Ethanol is a drug as is marijuana, and other things you may have used or experimented with. Some people could argue that this is a form of self-medication. The OP mentioned a specific problem and mentioned a specific drug that has helped her immensely in the past. That particular type of medication is effective for that issue. Other posters, including myself have outlined steps including appropriate medical care that might get her back on a path that worked for her. Her problems are her own. Your problems are probably quite different for a variety of reasons. What may work for you, may not be an appropriate treatment for her.

Termyn8or -> RE: defiance (12/12/2010 7:30:04 AM)
Point taken. However drugs should still be avoided if possible, considered a last resort. If possible. T

kalikshama -> RE: defiance (12/12/2010 2:01:14 PM)
quote: I'm very interested in exploring the difference between dominance and control freak and submission vs codependent. This would be a fascinating subject for a new thread.

DesFIP -> RE: defiance (12/12/2010 4:17:32 PM)
I'm assuming the depakote was tried to rule out (or in) bipolar disorder since ODD is so often comorbid with bipolar and ADHD. Add Generalized Anxiety and you have my kid's primary diagnoses. Since it's such a complicated mix, she goes by mood disorders NOS. But really, the OP now knows that the one med which was effective is now off patent and very affordable. All she needs is to visit her primary, get a scrip for Paxil for $4 at Wal-Mart and she should be doing much better. Therapy is very much a valued component of treatment of mental illness, but medication should come first since therapy works much better when the symptoms are under control. Mood disorders are caused by malfunctions in the brain's chemicals. If you are to suggest denying someone fix their brain chemicals, I have to assume you also recommend they do not regulate non-functioning body chemicals. So of course, by that thinking, diabetics should not take metformin or insulin. Men with low libido should not get testosterone shots. Hypothyroid sufferers should not take synthroid, and so on and so on. It's only fair.

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