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RE: Father kills daughter for ties to al-Qaida - 12/27/2010 6:56:34 AM   
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If He demands it, then the act isn't Murder, it's a sacrifice.



The mix of intellectual gymnastics, double standards and delusional thinking contained in that single sentence is simply awesome, breath-taking.

If you are capable of rationalising away a father murdering his son in cold blood as a "sacrifice", I wonder what delights your views on abortion might contain ......

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RE: Father kills daughter for ties to al-Qaida - 12/27/2010 8:20:34 AM   
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Oh i have huge problems with that site.

First, they tend to switch among versions, depending on which version is saying what they want it to say.

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In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered
Amazingly enough, after reading through many of the passages, there is no way they can come up with that total. Too many passages give no accounting for the death total. Could have been two as easily as 2000.

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This one was rather comical. You may want to look a bit into the web sources you utilize. Oh, and do look up the above passage. I\That isnt what was being said at all.

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RE: Father kills daughter for ties to al-Qaida - 12/27/2010 9:06:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

I read somewhere that "God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered in the Bible".*

Is that enough of an "overall gist of the Bible, tempering the actual words with an understanding of their context" for you? Are you saying I selected the wrong murder(s)?

Nor can contradictions about issues as important as murder and obeying the Lord be dismissed as "outlier" issues. They are surely central to the message of the Bible, if that text is to have any credibility or relevance.

You can read all about it here:
http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

*www.evilbible.com


No way.  Not only are most of the deaths not assigned a number (the Pharaoh's army in Exodus being one example, and the first born that were slain beforehand being another), but I have a sneaking suspicion that the number "forty" was used as a euphemism for "a whole lot". Examples are the Flood rain that lasted for forty days and nights, and the forty years that the Hebrews wandered in the desert.  In other words, I reject your numbers, and the fact that someone assigned such precision to arbitrary numbers makes me suspect anything else form that source.

I did not intend to say that they were outliers in terms of the importance of the issues themselves, but of how the issues were treated. 


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RE: Father kills daughter for ties to al-Qaida - 12/28/2010 12:35:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


Second,
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In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered
Amazingly enough, after reading through many of the passages, there is no way they can come up with that total. Too many passages give no accounting for the death total. Could have been two as easily as 2000.

The point was to demonstrate that there are an awful lot of murders and killings attributed to God in the Bible. Not to get the exact number right. It seems you agree that there are far more murders than miracles.


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For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. (Matthew 19:12 ASV) {also compare to February 23 below}


This one was rather comical. You may want to look a bit into the web sources you utilize. Oh, and do look up the above passage. I\That isnt what was being said at all.

Of course it's comical. It came from the Bible - what do you expect?

Anyone can interpret any text anyway they please. Which is what Christians do with the Bible all the time and why there are so many differing interpretations and sects each claiming to be the only valid one. As to whether which one is 'right' or even if there is a 'right' interpretation, I'll leave that to those with an interest in the matter.

We are getting rather off-topic. The point of my original post was to show that the dilemma faced by this family over the daughter's alleged al-Quada sympathies was not as foreign to our culture as it might initially seem.

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RE: Father kills daughter for ties to al-Qaida - 12/28/2010 12:46:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

I read somewhere that "God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered in the Bible".*

Is that enough of an "overall gist of the Bible, tempering the actual words with an understanding of their context" for you? Are you saying I selected the wrong murder(s)?

Nor can contradictions about issues as important as murder and obeying the Lord be dismissed as "outlier" issues. They are surely central to the message of the Bible, if that text is to have any credibility or relevance.

You can read all about it here:
http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

*www.evilbible.com


No way.  Not only are most of the deaths not assigned a number (the Pharaoh's army in Exodus being one example, and the first born that were slain beforehand being another), but I have a sneaking suspicion that the number "forty" was used as a euphemism for "a whole lot". Examples are the Flood rain that lasted for forty days and nights, and the forty years that the Hebrews wandered in the desert.  In other words, I reject your numbers, and the fact that someone assigned such precision to arbitrary numbers makes me suspect anything else form that source.




In post # 38, you described the Bible as inconsistent and contradictory. Now you appear to be adding that the authors of the Bible had difficulties with counting and elementary numeracy.

For someone who is apparently positioning himself in defence of the Bible, you are doing a very good job of destroying its credibility.

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RE: Father kills daughter for ties to al-Qaida - 12/28/2010 12:48:55 PM   
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And that's without even mentioning the dimensions of Noah's ark not matching its capacity...
(Or the Sklotskies.)

< Message edited by Moonhead -- 12/28/2010 12:51:05 PM >


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RE: Father kills daughter for ties to al-Qaida - 12/28/2010 2:22:24 PM   
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you appear to be adding that the authors of the Bible had difficulties with counting and elementary numeracy.

Two words: epic hyperbole.

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RE: Father kills daughter for ties to al-Qaida - 12/28/2010 2:31:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle


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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee

If He demands it, then the act isn't Murder, it's a sacrifice.



The mix of intellectual gymnastics, double standards and delusional thinking contained in that single sentence is simply awesome, breath-taking.


That's what you think. And I'm not surprised, coming as it does from a person quoting a website entitled "evil bible" as a reference.

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If you are capable of rationalising away a father murdering his son in cold blood as a "sacrifice", I wonder what delights your views on abortion might contain ......


I'm not. As for Abortion, it's not a topic I care to think about. Tis one of the few remaining priveleges of being a man, and a smart one, to boot.



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