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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 11:46:25 AM   
flcouple2009


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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 11:48:47 AM   
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My kids are currently building guns out of legos and running a gun shop in the living room.


Isn't that like a terrorist activity?



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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 12:03:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL,your are a funny guy Kirata.That actually gave me some laughs.I am not saying guns should be outlawed.I just think the government should do a better job of keeping track on who does have guns in this country.A violent felon should not be able to just go to some Gun Expo and be able to buy any kind of guns they want without any checks and balances.

I see no problem with law abiding citizens wanting to have a gun.Especially if it is for self defense.I understand the nice old Lady who lives alone who may want to have one for her defense.I also see no problem if someone wants a gun to go hunting.I have lived in small rural areas.I understand how hunting is a part of the local culture.

The point is that there does need to be better checks and balances on who can actually own a gun.I know criminals will find a way to get guns if they really want them bad enough.Does that mean America should make it easier for them?Common sense laws do serve a purpose.I do believe in certain gun control laws that are aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of known criminals.

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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 12:03:37 PM   
flcouple2009


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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 12:26:39 PM   
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I don't know why America loves guns so much.I am one American that could careless about guns.It wouldnt hurt my feelings if most guns were banned here.I can understand wanting a gun for home protection or for hunting,but thats it.Too many Americans take it to an extreme.Is there really any reason AK-47 need to be legal?

I don't know why America loves blondes so much. I am one American that could care less about blondes. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if most blondes were banned. I can understand wanting a blonde for a maid or a quick fuck, but that's it. Too many Americans take it to an extreme. Is there really any reason blondes need to be legal?

(with apologies to blondes)

K.


Yes. 

Otherwise we wouldn't have any blonde jokes.


A young blonde woman is distraught because she fears her husband is having an affair, so she goes to a gun shop and buys a handgun.
The next day she comes home to find her husband in bed with a beautiful redhead. She grabs the gun and holds it to her own head.
The husband jumps out of bed, begging and pleading with her not to shoot herself.
Hysterically the blonde screams back at the husband, "Shut up! You're next!"

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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 3:14:59 PM   
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My kids are currently building guns out of legos and running a gun shop in the living room.



Hahahaha!! Good job! Tell them I said well done :)

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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 4:38:09 PM   
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A violent felon should not be able to just go to some Gun Expo and be able to buy any kind of guns they want without any checks and balances.


They can't... a felon can not go to any kind of gun show or shop or anywhere else the sells guns legally and buy one. There is a little thing called a NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) check that MUST be done before any legal gun sale.

Criminals don't go to gun shows or shops to purchase guns, they get them from a dealer on the street or their "homeboy" down the road.

The government knowing who owns a weapon legally will not stop or even slow down gun crimes. There are very few gun crimes committed by those that have obtained their firearm via legal means. And since there is no way to track illegal gun sales the government has no way of knowing who has one illegally. If they was there would be no illegal gun ownership.

The fact of the matter is, people who have obtained their weapons legally are not the problem, so harsher gun laws are not going to do any good except make it harder on those of us that abide by the law.

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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 4:48:09 PM   
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I don't know why America loves blondes so much. I am one American that could care less about blondes. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if most blondes were banned. I can understand wanting a blonde for a maid or a quick fuck, but that's it. Too many Americans take it to an extreme. Is there really any reason blondes need to be legal?

(with apologies to blondes)

K.


Hey! If blondes are outlawed then only criminals will own blondes!

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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 5:03:24 PM   
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A violent felon should not be able to just go to some Gun Expo and be able to buy any kind of guns they want without any checks and balances.


They can't... a felon can not go to any kind of gun show or shop or anywhere else the sells guns legally and buy one. There is a little thing called a NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) check that MUST be done before any legal gun sale.

Criminals don't go to gun shows or shops to purchase guns, they get them from a dealer on the street or their "homeboy" down the road.

The government knowing who owns a weapon legally will not stop or even slow down gun crimes. There are very few gun crimes committed by those that have obtained their firearm via legal means. And since there is no way to track illegal gun sales the government has no way of knowing who has one illegally. If they was there would be no illegal gun ownership.

The fact of the matter is, people who have obtained their weapons legally are not the problem, so harsher gun laws are not going to do any good except make it harder on those of us that abide by the law.



Thank you Dragonspinkkitty, was hopeing someone caught that too.

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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 6:01:41 PM   
flcouple2009


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Sorry to let you in on this tidbit but not everyone at a gun show follows all of the laws they are supposed to.  There can be a lot of under the table dealing.  There are often private gun sales that happen in the parking lot where no one ask any questions.

But in general gun shows are no where near as loose as they used to be.

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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 6:35:16 PM   
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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 6:40:41 PM   
Dragonspinkkitty


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Status: offline 		The key word is LEGAL. If an unscrupulous gun dealer is willing to sell a gun to someone who cannot otherwise obtain one legally, this is an illegal sale/purchase. If someone who is capable of purchasing a gun legally but does so to resell it to someone who can't obtain one legally this is an illegal purchase. 

No felon can legally obtain a gun.

Why should those of us that purchase guns legally have to suffer because of the criminals. Should it not be the criminals who have to suffer? Why should my rights to purchase and own a gun be dismantled and restricted when I follow the laws set forth by my state and the federal government?

Lets put it this way:
We all know that there are people who drive drunk. We all know that this is illegal. Should responsible drivers be restricted because of drunk drivers? Of Course not. That would be unacceptable and would be basically saying that because drunk drivers exist that everyone is automatically guilty whether they have driven drunk or not. Should the federal government crack down on laws and make them harsher to prevent drunk driving? We both know that harsher laws won't prevent people from driving drunk. People will drive drunk regardless of the laws. Same goes for illegal gun ownership. It's gonna happen regardless of any law set in place.

Don't punish the responsible for the actions of the irresponsible. It's quite simple actually. It's not the laws that need to be harsh. It's the consequences for breaking the laws already in place that should be harsh.

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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 6:50:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Within the last few months, I've bought a Colt .45 and sold a Winchester .308 at a gun show without even being asked for identification either time, and both sales were completely legal. Federal law does not require private sellers renting a table at a gun show to conduct background checks, keep records of their transactions, or even ask for identification. 

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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 6:51:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		No felon, violent or not, can LEGALLY buy a gun.
 
Edited: Panda, sorry just going by what this state does.

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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 6:59:46 PM   
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No felon, violent or not, can LEGALLY buy a gun.
 
Edited: Panda, sorry just going by what this state does.


No, you're absolutely right. But under federal law, private sellers are not legally required to check to see whether the buyer is a convicted felon. As long as I have no reason to believe that you are not barred from owning a firearm, I can sell you anything that's legal to own. That's the so-called "gun show loophole."

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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 7:43:30 PM   
Dragonspinkkitty


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No felon, violent or not, can LEGALLY buy a gun.
 
Edited: Panda, sorry just going by what this state does.


No, you're absolutely right. But under federal law, private sellers are not legally required to check to see whether the buyer is a convicted felon. As long as I have no reason to believe that you are not barred from owning a firearm, I can sell you anything that's legal to own. That's the so-called "gun show loophole."


Exactly, so if you have reason to believe that a person is not legally capable of purchasing a gun you can not sell it to them. A simple question "Can you pass the NICS check" will free you from responsibility. If the person lies and says yes you are not responsible with what they do with that gun after it has been purchased. Though there are those unscrupulous enough to sell the gun and they should be dealt with harshly. But the fact remains that you as the owner of the gun are responsible for finding out to the best of your knowledge that the person you are selling a gun to is fully legal to purchase that gun. Having them show their firearms carry permit is a perfect way of doing this. As the gun owner you can refuse to sell your property to anyone who you deem unworthy.

In reality, it doesn't matter how private sales happen. Even if it was a law that you must perform a NICS check to sell your gun, there are still going to be those that won't do it and sell it "illegally". And as I said before, It's not the laws that need to be harsh. It's the consequences for breaking the laws already in place that should be harsh.

Let's face it no matter the laws, there will always be someone out there willing to break them. Those of us that don't should not bear the weight of those that do.

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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 9:02:15 PM   
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FR,

I love these threads about guns.  We Brits have it carefully and patiently explained to us, in the most sober and reasonable terms, just how much of a necessary evil they are and how, tragically, the average American citizen must just sigh, accept reality and go to the gun-shop to get him or herself tooled up.  Just like you need a good pair of shears to keep those garden weeds at bay.

And then, once all that dreary stuff is out of the way . . . Yay!  It's now time to get on with all the fun stuff about how fabulously glamorous and sexy guns are, whether in the rugged hand of a lasso-wielding cattleherder, or in the exquisitely-manicured hand of an elegant lady! 

Frigging hell do you people have a different culture out there.  This stuff actually makes me shudder.




Check English history, before you 'shudder' too hard...then you'll really have something to shudder about.

When Hitler was poised to invade England, the English government begged Americans for any firearm that they(Americans, that is)could/would donate, in order to rearm the English citizens(who had already been mostly disarmed by their own 'friendly' government, even then). Anything was acceptable...from a single-shot .22 to the .45-70 Trapdoor Springfield(now a collectors item) donated by my grandparents. Thousands upon thousands(rifles, shotguns, handguns)were shipped to England.

When the war was over, these donated weapons were, once again, confiscated and destroyed. So 'shudder' all you like. There's a possibility that, except for the generosity of American gun owners, you would be 'shuddering' in German.

Of course, you wouldn't care, because you wouldn't know any better. Just as you don't seem to know(or care)that when the chips are down, the armed and trained citizen can/will overcome the armed thug.

'hawk


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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 9:48:47 PM   
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Gun nerds have their toys, and love to talk about them, Peon, but they really aren't all that representative. I own a couple of firearms and the only time I really pull them out is when young people are coming into my home, and I physically inspect that they are unloaded, and the trigger locks are secured, before and after the visit.

Now if you want to haul your grandma's old TV set out into the desert, I'll grab a few boxes of ammo.

Anyone who breaks in will likely be dealt with by the dogs, long before I even get the first #4 shell racked into the chamber of the riot gun anyway, but it's nice to know it is there.


'Young people' should be taught to leave things in general, and especially guns, alone...unless it's the 'young person's' own personal property, of course. This would require parental training and supervision, though...seemingly too much of a burden in these modern times.

An unloaded/locked gun is nothing more than a club...and a not very good club, at that. A baseball bat, for instance, is a better weapon than an unloaded/locked gun.

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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 10:18:51 PM   
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I realize you're a snob . . . 


Good call.  When it comes to guns, yup, you're right - I'm a snob.


Leave out the 'n'.

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RE: GUNS - 1/3/2011 11:45:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		"No felon can legally obtain a gun. "

Ever ? Well that is the definition of a bill of attainder which is prohibited by the Constution. When does this prohibition end ? If it is lifelong, it is certainly a bill of attainder.

T

ETA; the wording might not be so clear. But the idea is whether someone can lose his rights by decree. That means considering past convictions in sentencing a criminal is technically that. However courts do not hold that up. why is something a felony bacause you did it before while it is a msdemeanor to another, who has not ?

The law cuts both ways. If you accept it you must accept it in it's entirety.

Really though, in practice it matters what the courts say.

T

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