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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 6:40:22 AM   
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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 6:44:50 AM   
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WestBaySlave is one of the nicest posters on these entire boards. I have never seen him lose his temper. He's always polite, he's always kind, he puts effort into his posts and is generally all-round sweet and awesome. If it weren't for that pesky incompatible-sexuality thing I would have kidnapped him months ago. And his experience of CM is that it's friendly and helpful.



This is key.  VC states that she's sexually incompatible with WBS, but likes him anyway.  Jeffff is sexually incompatible with LaT but makes passes at her anyway.  holly is happily taken and married but I still accuse her of dumping me for Jim, when the truth is that they already had a child together when I met her.

The more that you think of cm as a meeting place for friends and for kink-oriented discussion and for just plain fun, and the less you think of it s a meat market with a pressing time limit, the happier you'll be here.

And anniezz?  I'm assuming that the insults you refer to are in your inbox.  I've seen your posts and the replies and I've always considered them to be respectful.

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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 6:47:29 AM   
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VC states that she's sexually incompatible with WBS, but likes him anyway.  Jeffff is sexually incompatible with LaT but makes passes at her anyway.  holly is happily taken and married but I still accuse her of dumping me for Jim, when the truth is that they already had a child together when I met her.

Did anyone else expect the next line to be ... "all this and more on next week’s episode of ... Soap!*"

* this will mean nothing to younger readers.

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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 7:38:53 AM   
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i'm not asking you to like her. i'm not asking you to like her posts. i'm not even asking you to believe she is a tolerant or kind person. i think it is fair, however, to ask that you don't misrepresent her words. You have distorted them beyond all recognition. She said nothing of the kind.

pam

I haven't done anything of the sort. I haven't commented on her posting style at all; I've reposted a sample post. I haven't accused her of anything, only linked to things she's actually said. So cool it, Pam.


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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 7:43:49 AM   
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VC states that she's sexually incompatible with WBS, but likes him anyway.

It's more that he's sexually incompatible with me

But on a more serious note, that wasn't quite what I meant, Stevie. What I meant was that if you post in a respectful and kind way (minus any undertones of 'oh, look how respectfull and kind I'm being! *smugsmugsmug*' - it has to be genuine), you get respectful and kind replies. You don't have to like someone or be friends with them in order to be cordial. There are plenty of well-respected posters who don't join in the kidding around - it's not compulsory.


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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 7:46:11 AM   
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Yes, she said those things. That was after about ten pages of responding patiently to various posters on a thread gone out of control; she finally lost it. If you want to judge her for that, go right ahead.

What she did not say is that she hates, despises, or is totally intolerant of men with an ounce over what she considers to be their ideal weight. Nor did she say anything that could be reasonably mistaken for that.

i'm not asking you to like her. i'm not asking you to like her posts. i'm not even asking you to believe she is a tolerant or kind person. i think it is fair, however, to ask that you don't misrepresent her words. You have distorted them beyond all recognition. She said nothing of the kind.

pam


Are you kidding? What the heck do you mean she said nothing of the kind? That is EXACTLY what she said!

Go reread the thread and find where I insulted her. I questioned her but never insulted her yet she lit into me.

Seriously Pam, I was trying to be nice in my first post here but she's getting exactly what she put out. She was repeatedly judgmental of people who didn't have their weight listed - not overweight people but people who didn't list it.

Her thread was incredibly controversial because it accused a wide variety of people she didn't know of having no self-control. Of course it got people questioning her intently - she should have expected that. Half of using a forum responsibly is considering what you want to put out there and what you can handle being commented on.

Then she swung wild and attacked anyone and everyone. While she apologized to me her words were extremely insulting and have certainly colored how I see her and her posts. I'm sure that they have colored how others have seen her as well - if I saw her speaking that way about you, for example, it would definitely color my opinion of her.

ETA - Actually... here... I'll help. When she said that the thread was ten pages long. I joined on page number four. My first post - a direct response to the OP.

quote:


Other people are going to be feel differently about this. But I would not be with someone who would dismiss someone's weight issues as a complete lack of self-control. I struggle with my weight and the reasons for my struggle are complicated and private. Anyone who would dismiss it so easily simply isn't worth my time.

If you can't accept me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best.

When I am thin, I deliberately screen out others who dismiss people so easily - like I screen out people who are rude to waiters. It's one thing to simply not be attracted to someone. It's another to presume you know something about a stranger based on weight.


Second post - a response to her saying she needs someone to fix her drive-thru habit:

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To each their own but I preferred finding an awesome Dom who loves me and finds me sexy regardless of my weight. Val chased after me at 200, he didn't chase after any more at 140 and he doesn't chase after me any less at 175 where I'm currently struggling.

I like knowing he wants to ravage me at any weight and leaving the 'curing' to weight watchers and personal trainers.


My third post was a discussion between me and prop regarding on views on weight loss and our relationships with our owners.

My fourth was talking to spirited about how weight has been viewed through history.

My fifth was continuing the discussion between prop and I.

So was the sixth (we're on page five now).

Seventh was joking around with Spirited.

Number eight was personal discussion with prop again.

So was number nine.

Number ten was edited out because it was a response to someone (not the OP) editing out their post.

Number 11 was talking to BedroomDomme, defending skinny women. Most edited out because she edited out her post.

Number 12 is to you, questioning *your* words and asking if you consider being overweight to automatically be an addictive behavior. (we're on page 6 now)

13: Talking to Tazzy about the reasons why I still use an out-of-date pic.

14: Talking to you again about how *you* meant your terms in the context of the thread (no weight listed, the scant info of an online profile). Nothing about annie.

15: Talking to Atropos about when Tyra wore a fat suit and how fat is the new "unclean".

16: Actually talking to Annie again so I'll quote it:

quote:

quote:

ORIGINAL: anniezz338

Sadly, it just is what it is.

Is it? Or is it what we allow because we find it acceptable to mock a particular group of people instead of chiding the ill-behaved?



17: Still talking to Annie:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: anniezz338

Yes, it is the way it is, right or wrong. I've lived it and still do to a certain degree. Right, wrong, judgemental, whatever you choose to call it. It's a reality. Remember the big todo about two seats for obese people on airplanes? There were alot of strong opinions about that.


Segregation also used to be the way things were.

If you're comfortable with the current status, than by all means enjoy it. I shall continue to loathe it and not accept it.



18. Start my discussion with Leadership.

19: Talking to prop again (BTW, we're on page 8 now)

20. Talking with prop.

21. Still talking with prop about our views.

22. I make a post directed at no one in particular about how I don't get the connection between weight and dominance because of my very in-control and overweight father.

23. Comment to subkatslut that my father is still alive.

24. Continue discussion with Leadership. (This is the end of page nine. Now we move onto page ten where the insults took place.)

25. Talk to winnie about the biggest guy I ever dated and how I adored him because he could me into a headlock and his scent.

26. Talk to Icarys about bacon and scent of said man.

Aaaand then Annie posts and says she'd bounce my fat ass down the street.

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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 7:52:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop
"resistance is futile"

I am Dyslexic of Borg.
Resistors is fertile.
Prepare to have your arse laminated ...



tesea

*grin*

btw.. kudos for the SOAP ref... ;)

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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 7:56:47 AM   
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No one came out and said "You, OP, are a judgmental cunt." People know they will get mod slapped for that. However, "judgmental cunt" was used several times in a post on the first page and if not referring to the OP, then who, the Easter Bunny?

"Whore," "stupid," and "fat bitch" were also used as well, again in a way to not to get mod removed, but the intent was clear. I thought the OP was extremely patient [for most of the thread] and while perhaps her individual references below misdirected, her frustration completely understandable.


quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

Really? From that thread (bearing in mind that none of the insults she lists were actually used):

quote:


Ok then, so far I have been called a judgemental cunt, a whore, stupid, a fat bitch, and all the other crap I'm not going to bother looking back for. Here's judgemental for you.

Bones, your weight isn't posted. I got your number. If you spent the time you did giving your opinion on this thread and instead got on a treadmill, you might not be so bitter. You protest too much to be valid.

Aquaticsub, if you are at work being PAID to work, maybe you should work instead of playing some kind of popularity contest. If I was your manager, I would kick your ass to the curb so hard, your fat ass would bounce all the way across the street.

Icarys, your an ass but your hot.

OMG...was I judgemental?!? Where's my 45...I'm going to blow my brains out....I'm not worthy.

You guys have a great day :)


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edited to qualify "extremely patient"




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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 8:05:44 AM   
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I thought the OP was extremely patient

It never ceases to amaze me how two people can read the same thread and come away with utterly different perspectives. I read the same thread and I didn't get that impression at all, but I can accept that our impressions are different.

What I will say is that the post I quoted isn't the only time I've seen the OP behave like that. It's like I said-you get out of CM what you put in - if you put in posts like that then you get opinions like this formed about you, and people treat you accordingly.


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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 8:16:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

I thought the OP was extremely patient

It never ceases to amaze me how two people can read the same thread and come away with utterly different perspectives. I read the same thread and I didn't get that impression at all, but I can accept that our impressions are different.


Me too.

Out of 26 posts (look above folks, I went through the thread and reread each of my posts), only four were speaking to Annie. And those are posted above as well. The vast majority of my posts on that thread (to that point) were me having a really great conversation with someone I haven't always gotten along with and various others. I really don't see why anyone here is defending her insults.


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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 8:27:34 AM   
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Collective what?


"resistance is futile"

you are one of the "in crowd"

IMO, anyway..


Yeah I guess! but that' more because I'm a regular poster than a decent person. I'm totally and utterly indecent really

Edited to say... I really hope I don't come across as rude to people. If I do then it is rarely intended. I think I can come across as a little forthright and aggressive if I am disputing something. Well I know I do because I'm accused of doing that when I'm not on the web but its never personal.

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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 8:29:17 AM   
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I personally think you ARE a decent person, Maria :)  based on your regular posting LOL

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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 8:34:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

No one came out and said "You, OP, are a judgmental cunt." People know they will get mod slapped for that. However, "judgmental cunt" was used several times in a post on the first page and if not referring to the OP, then who, the Easter Bunny?

"Whore," "stupid," and "fat bitch" were also used as well, again in a way to not to get mod removed, but the intent was clear. I thought the OP was extremely patient [for most of the thread] and while perhaps her individual references below misdirected, her frustration completely understandable.



So it's ok to insult people because frustration is understandable?

Sweet. The next time I get frustrated at being insulted, I know I can sling right back without worry because it's understandable! Thanks!

BTW - do you have a chart on this? I mean, I know we are going for a "kinder, gentler" CM with this thread but since it's understandable to threaten to bounce people down the street when frustrated...

I just don't want to step over the lines! If I'm called a whore, can I state that I'd like to shave their head while they are sleeping? Is that understandable?

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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 8:38:15 AM   
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I really hope I don't come across as rude to people.

One person's "rude" is another's "forthright" or "has integrity".

I say a person should just post whatever they want to, and if someone has an interpretation issue with it then they can ask for clarification.

"Fuck em if they can't take a joke".

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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 8:40:59 AM   
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I personally think you ARE a decent person, Maria :)  based on your regular posting LOL


Don't argue with me GreedTop, Im indecent... INDECENT I tell you and my man wouldn't have it any other way

P.S. Ty

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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 8:42:03 AM   
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Yes but you are decently indecent. Or indecently decent. I think I like that one better. But whichever way you want it. 

BTW - is that henna next to your tattoo or more tattooing?

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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 8:43:09 AM   
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ok ok!! you are an indecent wench..
happy now?

LOL

(hugs*

ETA: plz excuse sleep dep typos...

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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 8:59:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

Collective what?


"resistance is futile"



For less than one ohm.

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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 9:00:17 AM   
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This site was GREAT for me as a newcomer!

I seriously do not understand why people think new people are systematically picked on. I never once felt that way. Oh sure, I got told I was being a putz when I wrote putz like stuff, but how the hell would I know I was being a putz if they hadn't yanno?

Personally, anyone that runs from here sobbing into their pablum, needs to leave anyway. I've no patience for immature whiny pussies masquerading as adults.


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RE: Is CM really good for newcomers? - 1/5/2011 9:00:30 AM   
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For less than one ohm.

Ah yes - a quick meditation.

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