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Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/10/2011 8:22:27 AM   
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My son bought me a nice blender for Christmas and I've been on a Fruit Smoothie kick. They are very addicting!

Unfortunately, the first three days I woke up with a killer headache. I'm talking hangover migraine headache here. The headaches have lessened, but I still have them. It's been a week now.

Has anyone else experienced this?

I was thinking maybe it was a sort of detox or caffeine withdrawal. I haven't had any caffeine or soda in a week. I usually drank 3 or 4 glasses a day of soda.

I'm only using raw fruit (bananas, mangos, strawberries, oranges, lemons) and ice to make the smoothies. I don't use ALL those fruits in a single serving, they are just the ingredients I use in general. I.e I migh make a mango and orange smoothie, or a banana and strawberry smoothie etc.

I only have 3 glasses a day of smoothies. They fill me up so I've only been eating one solid meal a day with them and sometimes a bowl of whole grain cereal (Raisin Bran usually) if I'm hungry.

Again, the question is - has anyone else who had a problem with getting bad headaches after drinking fruit smoothies? Did the headaches go away after a time? Any ideas on what is causing the headaches?

Also - any good recipes? :)

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RE: Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/10/2011 8:38:59 AM   
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Bananas can trigger migraines in some people, especially if they are on the over-ripe side.

It may also be related to an individual sensitivity, where too much of a good thing is causing the headaches.
A little of a fruit may not be an issue, whereas more of it might cause one...and since you are having much more in successive days that may be creating a problem.

I know that when I was a kid I realised apple juice gave me headaches and then I narrowed it down: it was if I drank too much of it and then when I got older narrowed it down further: too much of the filtered or clarified stuff, too many days in a row etc.
Unfiltered apple juice for some reason never gives me headaches.
I have a similar issue with eggs and headaches if I eat them several days in a row.

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RE: Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/10/2011 10:01:37 AM   
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As far as I know, I've never had any problems with bananas. But, the worst of the headachess were during the time I was using bananas.

I dunno. I love how I feel otherwise. The headaches are problematic though.

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RE: Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/10/2011 10:06:45 AM   
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Carrot juice gives me a headache. I assumed it was too much sugar not balanced by fat/protein, which may also be the case with you.

Now I add protein powder, peanut butter, or full fat yogurt or cottage cheese, depending on the rest of the ingredients. No more headaches :)

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RE: Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/10/2011 10:20:48 AM   
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Carrot juice gives me a headache. I assumed it was too much sugar not balanced by fat/protein, which may also be the case with you.

Now I add protein powder, peanut butter, or full fat yogurt or cottage cheese, depending on the rest of the ingredients. No more headaches :)


Hmm... I had a big container of protein powder at one time...but I gave it away. Time to go pick up another one!

Also, I'll pick up some yogurt, see if that works too.

I didn't even stop to think about the fact that I'd basically removed fat/protein from my diet this last week.

What do you mix with peanut butter? Apples and bananas with peanut butter sounds.....interesting!

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RE: Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/10/2011 10:37:28 AM   
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caffeine witdrawal is associated with headaches but not as bad as youdescribe.

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RE: Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/10/2011 12:19:04 PM   
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The short answer is that 3 fruit smoothies a day may be too much to start out with.

Raw fruits are powerful body cleansers taken in that amount, and this may be a matter of too much too suddenly.


quote:

I was thinking maybe it was a sort of detox or caffeine withdrawal. I haven't had any caffeine or soda in a week. I usually drank 3 or 4 glasses a day of soda.



That would be my suspicion as to the primary cause of the headaches,  caffeine being a vasoconstrictor, so now the lack of brain blood vessel contraction makes them seem too big, until things adjust. There are also more complicated processes having to do with adenosine balance disruption caused by regular caffeine intake that require readjusting when the caffeine intake ceases. The added energy to the whole body by intake of so much fruit would likely exacerbate things there.

Staying off the coffee and colas is a good thing, but I would change the smoothie regimen to alternating between one a day and two a day for now. You could probably increase to two per day and sometimes more after 3 weeks or so. The caffeine withdrawal should be complete by then and your body having been through the worst of the internal cleansing, so you can increase the fruit some bit.

One smoothie that I make uses half a mango, small handful of grapes, same with blueberries, 1/3 to 1/2 a lemon OR one kiwi fruit, and the magic ingredient that puts the 'smooth' into this smoothie, ~1/3 an avocado, then a tablespoon of either flax oil or a good olive oil along with a tablespoon of lecithin granules, and an optional 1/3-1/2 teaspoon of cinnamon powder. The lecithin, aside from being healthy itself, is an emulsifier that makes fats and oils easier to digest. (remember, these are the -good- fats.) Along with all that, I use whatever amount of apple juice (unfiltered, as mentioned above) or my self-mixed apple/pineapple blend to bring it to desired consistency. Another good thing to add to that or some other smoothies is 2-3 drops of mint oil. I save a used bottle of some herbal extract or any 1-2 ounce bottle with a dropper in it and pour the mint oil into that, because too much mint oil can ruin things and you can't measure drops with a 1/4 teaspoon. I never use ice for smoothies because it dilutes the more subtle flavors, whereas the bottled juice complements them. I don't use bananas either because I've always been in the habit of one a day with that anyway. Avocado-lecithin serves thickening duties just fine for this purpose.


There is more blender fun to be had than with just smoothies, though.

Nut milks are pretty easy to make, especially the best one, almond milk. Here's a cheap book to tell you all about it:

 Not milk, Nut Milks!  by Candia Lea Cole

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=cole&sts=t&tn=nut+milks&x=0&y=0

Abebooks is a nice place to look for books. (I still use a local bookstore when I can.)

Ms. Cole has you blanching the almonds before using them in the blender but alternatively you can soak them for 10-14 hours first, then rinse. You can save for at least 3 days after soaking if rinsed once a day. Soaking then rinsing nuts and seeds, even better if you rinse another two days before using, activates the sprouting process which converts some of the fat and starch into vitamins, especially a lot of B vitamins. Good trade-off there. 

With all nut milks or any protein drinks I always add 2-3  Tbsp. of flax oil and another Tbsp. of lecithin. The omega 3 and 6 oils are good for the brain and the arteries.


I'm very sorry for your headaches, but please don't give up, they should be gone soon.


Best wishes,

Edblend.




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RE: Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/10/2011 2:23:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
I'm only using raw fruit (bananas, mangos, strawberries, oranges, lemons) and ice to make the smoothies.

Any ideas on what is causing the headaches?

Herpes may cause certain types of migraine. Bananas, mangos, strawberries, oranges may trigger herpes. I dunno about lemons. Icecream also may trigger herpes.

In general, migraines are caused by dilation of the blood vessels in the brain. This might be caused by adrenalin (epinephrine). If this is the case, then the question becomes: what in your smoothies triggers the production of adrenalin by your body? Perhaps, at a wild guess, a high sugar content?

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RE: Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/10/2011 5:58:42 PM   
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When I am out eating ice cream and drinking orange juice then orange juice sometimes causes me a sharp pain (only briefly, though, thankfully)...

also I would look into it if you stopped anything else which you might have consumed a lot, before starting smoothies, maybe your body reacts about something which it is not getting anymore right now.

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RE: Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/10/2011 6:05:03 PM   
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When I am out eating ice cream and drinking orange juice then orange juice sometimes causes me a sharp pain

That is probably because it is cold?

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RE: Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/10/2011 8:01:54 PM   
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The short answer is that 3 fruit smoothies a day may be too much to start out with.

Raw fruits are powerful body cleansers taken in that amount, and this may be a matter of too much too suddenly.
...



Thanks for all the great information. I'm going to pick me up some flaxseed and protein powders, and cut down to one drink a day and slowly increasing to 3 a day as you recommend. I cut down today to just one raw fruit drink, and added some protein to my diet today and the headache eased off a bit.

Thanks to everyone who responded!

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RE: Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/10/2011 8:13:16 PM   
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Herpes may cause certain types of migraine. Bananas, mangos, strawberries, oranges may trigger herpes. I dunno about lemons. Icecream also may trigger herpes.

In general, migraines are caused by dilation of the blood vessels in the brain. This might be caused by adrenalin (epinephrine). If this is the case, then the question becomes: what in your smoothies triggers the production of adrenalin by your body? Perhaps, at a wild guess, a high sugar content?



I didn't know this about herpes. Interesting.

While I don't have Herpes, I do have Lupus and Vasculitis (inflamation of my blood vessels) and having already constricted blood vessels from vasculitis and drinking as much caffeine as I did, it is no wonder that my head started screaming when I went cold turkey! No more bad stuff, to much good stuff too fast - Probably hasn't had that much blood flow in years LOL!

I'm going to take it a little slower, but sticking to it won't be hard. I'm hooked already.

Thanks again everyone.


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RE: Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/10/2011 8:35:55 PM   
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I do have Lupus and Vasculitis (inflamation of my blood vessels) and having already constricted blood vessels from vasculitis and drinking as much caffeine as I did, it is no wonder that my head started screaming when I went cold turkey!

You stopped drinking coffee? In a book about headaches I read about an office worker who only drank coffee at work. Saturdays he would have a screaming headache from coffee withdrawal.

As for the lupus and vasculitis, you likely ran into some virus or bacterium that triggered an immune response against foreign epitopes that are also present in your own proteins. Likely the infecting agent is long gone. If still present, though, antiviral medication might help temporarily against these very serious auto-immune diseases.

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RE: Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/11/2011 8:08:31 AM   
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Ok, gotta say - Soy protien - NOT loving it. On a positive note, my headaches let up.


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RE: Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/11/2011 2:19:29 PM   
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Ok, gotta say - Soy protien - NOT loving it. On a positive note, my headaches let up.




I'm with you on the soy protein. Never been a fan of of soy products here, except for soy sauce and miso. The Vietnamese restaurant I used to dine at in another city had a great tofu dish I liked a lot, but not too big on tofu otherwise, and the soy protein powders I could never take to at all.

You don't actually need a purpose-made 'protein powder' as such, some other nutritional supplement powders will serve the purpose just as well or even better sometimes. The green juice powders are helpful here; barley grass juice, wheat grass juice (both of them dried and powdered), spirulina, etc. either individually or in a product that has a blend of them. They are not cheap but I only use one or two Tbsp. at a time and a large size can last one or two months.  Another good one to add would be a hemp seed-based protein powder- less protein than soy, but a lot tastier. All the aforementioned have a decent amount of protein but also have a lot of naturally occurring complementary nutrients in better balance than in conventional protein powders. Generally speaking, it's better if the product has an inherent nutritional balance from the foods involved rather than a contrived concentrated protein with added concentrated mechanically or chemically derived and separated vitamins and un-chelated minerals, etc. The bio-availability is much better in the naturally occurring plant powder blends.

One "super food" blend I'm using at the moment is a Garden of Life product called 'Perfect Food Super Green Formula.' Quite pretentious name! But it's pretty good. It cost me 29.95 at my local natural foods store, which is a pretty good price compared to other similar products. It has an 'all-star' line-up of sprouted seeds, green juices, fermented foods (for making the 'good' bacteria), etc. I alternate this with either hemp fiber/protein powder or spirulina powder, or sometimes all three on the same day. Just a level tablespoon of the hemp or Green Formula powder in a smoothie should be plenty for 'balancing' purposes, to keep the energy a bit more focused and less 'bursting.'


http://www.gardenoflife.com/ProductsforLife/SUPPLEMENTS/FoundationalNutrition/PerfectFoodsupsup/tabid/654/Default.aspx


http://www.gardenoflife.com/ProductsforLife/SUPPLEMENTS/FoundationalNutrition/RAWProtein/tabid/1894/Default.aspx


There's a Supplement Facts label and Find Near You box in the pages.



You are hereby liberated from soy protein powder. 






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RE: Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/11/2011 2:28:02 PM   
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1 banana
2 T peanut butter
1 C brewed teeccino, a coffee substitute available at Whole Foods.

Yum!



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RE: Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/11/2011 5:44:52 PM   
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You are hereby liberated from soy protein powder. 



My hero!

Thank you

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RE: Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/11/2011 5:46:24 PM   
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1 banana
2 T peanut butter
1 C brewed teeccino, a coffee substitute available at Whole Foods.

Yum!


Thanks!

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RE: Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/11/2011 6:01:51 PM   
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I could never get used to the mouth feel of flax oil, but ground flax seed doesn't really affect the taste of smoothies. (But does thicken it up quite a bit.)

Smoothies are just the best for breakfast!

Here's another one:

1/2 C pineapple
1 handful fresh spinach
1/8 C roasted salted sunflower seeds (optional, but goes well with spinach)
1 C water or herbal tea

optional depending on how much protein you need:
1/3 C full fat cottage cheese or
1 serving protein powder

I did the Nutrition Typing questionnaire on mercola.com: http://nutritionaltyping.mercola.com/PreTest.aspx
This one looks similar and you don't have to subscribe: http://www.ehow.com/how_2209576_determine-metabolic-type.html

I'm a Protein Type and I steadily lose weight when I emphasize protein and minimize carbs, and quickly gain weight when I stray. I feel good - no blood sugar swings, etc, etc.


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RE: Fruit Smoothie Hangover - 1/11/2011 6:02:58 PM   
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Caffeine withdrawal headaches, definitely. I used to drink a lot of iced tea, half a gallon daily. Every so often I would be really wired and had to start  reducing my level. I would alternate one glass of caffeinated tea with one glass of decaf. The ex reduced his caffeine intake, a heavy coffee drinker, by me mixing one can regular coffee with one can decaf. Enough that you don't get the headache but half the normal amount. You can then reduce it even further, one caff to two decaf.

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