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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 12:45:53 AM   
Termyn8or


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No single element is more important than another ?

I guess that is one way of looking at things. Even as bad of a job as those who rule do, I am glad it is not this crowd. We would all be fucked.

Every Man wishes to be a dictator. And I will expound on that quote of a fake forged and totally irrelevant document now.

Every Man thinks he is the owner of all the knowledge in the universe, as such, when I die before I wake, it is all for you to take.

Apprentice spin doctors, all there is in the world anymore.

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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 6:46:25 AM   
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And here's the thing--that's you.

All your arguments are ridicule and dismissal of data.

You just "know."

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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 8:58:13 AM   
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maybe everything is fine.  Despite the global food riots.

food tho is not really necessarily to life.  Not as important is bonuses on too big to fail.

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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 9:01:29 AM   
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And YOU can never stick to the topic.

Maybe there will be hurricanes and snowstorms. Maybe today someone will die of old age. Maybe a cheap shoelace will break.

Still won't make your simplistic assumptions true.

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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 9:04:23 AM   
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Dude, everything I touch to run a household is more expensive in 2011.   From the power to the cereal and coffee.  Stuff I actually need.

If you manage to stay at 2010 prices I would love to learn how.  I must be doing something wrong.

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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 9:08:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
Despite the global food riots.

Less than global so far, I fear. Got a citation for that?

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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 9:24:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Dude, everything I touch to run a household is more expensive in 2011.   From the power to the cereal and coffee.  Stuff I actually need.

If you manage to stay at 2010 prices I would love to learn how.  I must be doing something wrong.


Dude, you never read the posts, but just blather on about your imagined posts.

If you can't address what's actually said, what's the point of talking to you?

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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 9:25:35 AM   
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I am willing to learn how to live on a modest budget just like many here.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/19/union-protest-mortgage-bankers-summit_n_811003.html

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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 9:30:39 AM   
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http://www.clickondetroit.com/education/26532109/detail.html

Schools power cut off- did not pay bill.   Must have been too cheap.

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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 9:53:04 AM   
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That's a "no", then...

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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 9:55:00 AM   
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"All your arguments are ridicule and dismissal of data. "

Well if I tell you I need an EGR valve for my car and you tell me your underwear is pink, what do you expect me to do ?

How do you expect me to address people who think everything is fine in the midst of a government shutdown if they don't get more welfare from other countries ? People who tell me things are so good now. People who BLISSFULLY ignore the realities of life quoting some figures designed by the best minds money can buy ? And it is welfare because that money will NEVER be paid back.

What did you expect ?

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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 9:58:59 AM   
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Which people tell you that?  No one here has said anything even remotely like that here.

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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 10:05:39 AM   
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Know what ? you're right. I got the threads mixed up. These things get so long you think you remember this and that but it was actually somewhere else. Sorry.

Maybe I should be a one thread pony.

But then, what of people who think we can print our way out of financial woes ? That type of people represent you.

Yes I did screw up, but I don't think all that badly.

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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 10:18:12 AM   
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quote:

How do you expect me to address people who think everything is fine in the midst of a government shutdown if they don't get more welfare from other countries ?


There you go again, making up your own version of reality.

1) No one told you everything is fine. They told you the sky isn't falling.
2) The potential government shutdown is an artificial number. We can't simply cut in the middle of a fiscal year, however much we may want to do so. The ceiling change is a simple acknowledgment of reality.
3) What welfare from other countries? The bulk of U.S. debt is held by U.S. citizens. Nor is a loan welfare.

Know why we have trade imbalance? Because we're the wealthiest nation in the world, and we buy a lot of stuff. We're also a major trading partner, the third largest exporter. That's me and you and our neighbors--not the government.

We have a structural deficit--that's all. We have it because for the past 30 years, and especially the past ten, the government decided to take in less revenue, and to at the same time institute spending without paying for it. That's not the same as going broke--the money is there, and plenty of it. We have to decide whether we want to spend it, and if not, what to do without. So far, the American people don't want to have that conversation, so they borrow the difference.

How long can this go on? A really, really, long time, actually. Should it go on? No. That's why the rhetoric about changing it is more heated. Unfortunately, so far that's a partisan ploy to achieve an agenda. But everyone knows it must change, and even if by a messy process, it will.

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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 3:21:07 PM   
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"No one told you everything is fine. They told you the sky isn't falling. "

When I speak of impending financial disaster and others refute the statement, what is that ? I know the sky is not falling. My hometown went into default, and people's visions of them coming and rolling the desks and computers from city hall out into vans never came to fruition. But when the whole country does it, that is a different story.

"The potential government shutdown is an artificial number."

Not according to some. Let me pose this question : If the government can issue checks that are good to their employees and everything works out just fine, what is the reason for debt ? It seems so important an issue, if it is not I would like to know and we all should know and just eat, drink and be merry. Does a government check ever bounce ? If not and it is not in an account somewhere, from where does the money come ? Incidentally I have noticed that many people are FORCED into direct deposit of their paychecks. Do you think that is right, and the sign of a good evconomy ?

"What welfare from other countries? The bulk of U.S. debt is held by U.S. citizens. Nor is a loan welfare"

Welfare might not have been the right term. But then, just when will these "loans" be paid off ? Is there a schedule ? No. If I were to buy a house that is usually going to involve borrowing money, if it is never paid back, what is it ? They want monthly payments. And I am sorry, I would not buy US bonds at gunpoint. But the question now is just who needs to be paid back. Would it be US citizens or foreign investors ?

I see that the whole deal here, is that people think it doesn't matter. Mm, you have demonstrated a working knowledge of this whole fiasco, and you seem to think that things are not as bad as they seem. Indeed, right now I have a nice warm house, plenty of food, and whatever else. But that does not define the prosperity of a nation. In this case we are all living on borrowed money. What happens when payback time comes ? If it is borrowed that includes the connotation that it will be paid back. Not only is that completely off the table, we are talking about borrowing more !

I want to debate this, I have no desire to insult you or anyone, but I think you and others need a reality check. I see all strata of the socioeconimic structure, almost. I don't know any of the super rich but I know some people with some serious money. Even they are bitching. To put it real quick like - ten million could buy you ten mansions, now it will only buy you five, oh wait, except they are cheap now because most of them are in foreclosure. My assertion is that people are largely ignorant of just how bad the situation is, and I stand by that and will let time tell. I don't like it, but at least I got the balls to face it. I know it will get really bad.

What's more I know the plan, and one of the components of the plan is to dupe people into thinking everything is fine, until the sky falls, and those who fucked us out of our wealth fly off to who knows where like a fourth world deposed dictator. I'm sorry if you can't see that. And no they are not out to get you, they are out to get your money, and time, your wealth.

How do you think people get rich ? I know the story of Bill Gates, what a wimp, there are people who could buy and sell him with pocket change. But we are number one and we know everything.

Stop it, or the hammer WILL come down and hard. My assertion - well an analogy :

You have an enemy in town, he is not going to kill you but he going to kick the living shit out opf you. You fucked his sister or something, whatever. Would you rather fight him when you are twenty years old or sixty ?

That's my point.

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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 3:34:19 PM   
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quote:

In this case we are all living on borrowed money.

The government is, in part.

I'm not. Are you?

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If the government can issue checks that are good to their employees and everything works out just fine, what is the reason for debt ?

This makes no sense at all. Surely you understand accounting ledgers?

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Incidentally I have noticed that many people are FORCED into direct deposit of their paychecks. Do you think that is right, and the sign of a good evconomy ?

I think it's a reasonable cost saving measure. What's the problem?

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But then, just when will these "loans" be paid off ? Is there a schedule ? No...They want monthly payments.

You're wrong, there is a schedule--if you owned a bond, you would be paid according to the term of that bond.

And the U.S. has never defaulted, not once in its entire history.

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What's more I know the plan, ... they are out to get your money, and time, your wealth.

It must be tiring to be a supergenius, just like Wiley Coyote, ever so frustrated in your attempts.

Of course they're out to get your money. Why do you think I'm active in politics?

But blind railing didn't get me here, and it won't get me anywhere else.

Of course people refute this and that. There are partisan interests. That's why looking at data, rather than emotional reactions, is more productive--and more reliable. And of course people bitch--you're under the impression that's new?

And when anyone questions the details, you come back with some version of "you guys think everything is fine," despite what we've actually said, and warn we need a reality check.

Seriously. Your reality check was returned--account unknown.



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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 3:38:32 PM   
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I wish you could see my electric bill.

It is 2x what it was during the summer.

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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 3:39:50 PM   
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thats cuz its at least 2X colder than the summer. 

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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 3:43:11 PM   
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Ron- I heat with gas.  Not electric.  Besides- the AC runs in the very hot weather.

I guess I have to stop living high on the hog.   get rid up the butler and upstairs maid maybe. ;-)

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RE: And Now For My Next Magic Trick… NO Inflation! A... - 1/19/2011 3:46:07 PM   
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I cut mine. Just takes some common sense.

AND I'm on a fixed rate plan. You didn't get sucked into signing up for variable rates, did you?

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