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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
Do you think you should be required to register the sale of books?
Weren't invented to kill people. Instead, they were created to transfer knowledge, insight, and concepts across vast distances, without the author having to be present to explain. Firearms were created for one purpose: Military Applications. More specifically, created as arms for warfare. How many US Military soldiers do you see, brandishing a book in one hand, and a pistol in the other? This isn't the Commissar's from the Warhammer 40K Universe we are talking about.
How often do you find public libraries, allowing those under the age of 16 to read 'The Story of O'? How about the latest Playboy?
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Guns have an Amendment too, and it has in fact always been an individual right.
Actually, 'Arms' have an Amendment, not Guns. All guns are considerd arms, but not all arms, are consider guns. The whole 'its an individual right' has been a propaganda used by folks from the NRA for nearly thirty years. Wasn't there a thread recently on the concept of 'stating a lie over and over as fact, will soon have people believing the lie as fact'? Back in the founding father's day, the best military weapon for the infantry was the musket. The best field artillery was a cannon. Today's best infantry weapon can fire over thirty rounds in seconds (and that's just ONE guy, not his whole platoon). The best 'field artillery' weapon is called a ICBM. You do know what an ICBM can do, right? Do you think the founding fathers would be 'ok' with US citizens carrying liters of VX? That *IS* your arguement, that arms are an individual right.
The 2nd, like the other twenty-six amendments do not give someone an unlimited amount of power. The 2nd was meant to allow towns and villages to protect themselves from indians, brigands, pirates, and crime. In those days, the United States didn't have a real military power. Nor a National Guard & Coast Guard. Likewise, they didnt have Border Agents, FBI, CIA, NSA, Secret Service, US Marshals, State/County/Local Police, and Sheriffs. That REALLY is what a militia is set up to do: protect the general population with arms when a professional army isn't present.
But the 2nd doesn't state just any sort of militia, but....'A well regulated militia...'. What does 'well regulated' mean, truckin?
Joether, "the 2nd was meant to "allow" towns and villages to protect themselves from Indians, brigands, pirates and crime."
Oh, so one day those towns and villages had to take whatever the indians, brigands, and pirates dished out but on the next day *after* the 2 nd amendment they were "allowed" to fight back? I can just see them on th ramparts, "Boy, you bastards just wait 'till we get that piece of 2nd amendment paper any day now!"
So, one day they can't fight back, the next day they can?
Our government doesn't exist to be "allowing" anyone or anything to do whatever. They don't "grant" rights to anyone.
The "government" exists to *serve* The People not to try to dictate to them. True we do hire them to enforce our laws but many times they do a piss-poor job of that.
When you vote are you voting for someone because you want them to,...."tell you what to do?"
I don't. I vote for someone because I think they'll *listen* to their constituents and do what *we* tell them to do.
They're the "servants" we're the Masters. They're the *hired help* not the management.
As for Militias any three people can constitute a militia. And by "well-regulated" it would certainly mean being proficient with weapons, being familiar with the local topography, having sufficient weapons/ammunition stocks/supplies in place and having some type of rank structure in place.
They don't need "permission" from any "state" to do that or to be "sanctioned" by any state, why would they? They're not the "National Guard", indeed the National Guard was modeled *after* the militias.
The men who wore pony tails in Massachusetts in the 1700's were a LOT more differant than the men who wear pony tails in Massachusetts today!
They defeated the British army for trying to tell them what to do.
The ones today seem to have a "need" to be told what to do and how to think and for whatever reason seem to look to govt buearocrats to tell them what to do and how to think. But, they think they're "free."
I wouldn't want them in my militia they'd turn into spies.
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