popeye1250
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Joether, "the 2nd was meant to "allow" towns and villages to protect themselves from Indians, brigands, pirates and crime."
Oh, so one day those towns and villages had to take whatever the indians, brigands, and pirates dished out but on the next day *after* the 2 nd amendment they were "allowed" to fight back? I can just see them on th ramparts, "Boy, you bastards just wait 'till we get that piece of 2nd amendment paper any day now!"
So, one day they can't fight back, the next day they can?
Do you live in fantasy land? Before the United States existed, there was no 2nd Amendent, right? Afterward, the 2nd Amendment applied. During the before and after, those towns/villages defended themselves as needed. Your concept just doesn't make sense.
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Our government doesn't exist to be "allowing" anyone or anything to do whatever. They don't "grant" rights to anyone.
Do you even have a vague notion of what the US Constitution was designed to do? By this statement of yours, it would be an educated guess that you dont.
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As for Militias any three people can constitute a militia. And by "well-regulated" it would certainly mean being proficient with weapons, being familiar with the local topography, having sufficient weapons/ammunition stocks/supplies in place and having some type of rank structure in place.
Are they held accountable to anything or anyone? Or are they just allowed to do what ever they want, because they have guns, ammo, are well trained, and gave each other arbitary ranks?
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They don't need "permission" from any "state" to do that or to be "sanctioned" by any state, why would they?
Now there's the difference between 'brigands' and 'a well regulated militia'. Brigands don't care what the state/goverment wishs, they're outlaws and thugs. A well regulated militia, is held accountable to the state/goverment, to which, is held accountable to the populace.
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The ones today seem to have a "need" to be told what to do and how to think and for whatever reason seem to look to govt buearocrats to tell them what to do and how to think. But, they think they're "free."
I wouldn't want them in my militia they'd turn into spies.
So you rather a militia operate without principles, dicipline, regulations, and duty? And just do 'whatever they want on the spur of the moment'? In a way, you just insulted ever soldier in our military. Since, they take their orders from '...govt buearocrats...'. Or did you forget that President Obama is the Commander in Chief?
Joether, you just keep demonstrating your ***need*** to be told what to do by,... "the state", you *require* it don't you?
So,....if you were in a militia you'd feel the need to,....."report to someone?" Like,....in an office maybe a hundred miles away?
Joether, I'm talking about the militias,.... not the military.
And no, militia's aren't accountable to "the state", why would they be? They're accountable to "The People." They're more localized.
I don't know where you get a lot of that stuff, there must be a "manifesto" someplace, right?
Why do you feel that you need, for lack of a better term,..."permission" from the state before you do something?
Don't you think that maybe, just maybe that's a little contradictory to what this country stands for? I mean don't you trust yourself? And moreso than some govt beuraucrat sitting in an office behind a desk?
It's supposed to be the other way around, the "state" needs permission from "The People" before they do anything!
Boy, they used to have good schools in Massachusetts, what the hell happened up there? Even the colleges are slipping. Are you guys embracing communism or something?
< Message edited by popeye1250 -- 1/30/2011 10:57:20 AM >
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