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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/23/2011 7:43:19 AM   
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The Unions arent smashing enough heads, according to some Democrats:

A Democratic Congressman from Massachusetts is raising the stakes in the nation’s fight over the future of public employee unions, saying emails aren’t enough to show support and that it is time to “get a little bloody.”

“I’m proud to be here with people who understand that it’s more than just sending an email to get you going. Every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody when necessary,” Rep. Mike Capuano (D-Ma.) told a crowd in Boston on Tuesday rallying in solidarity for Wisconsin union members


I agree, they aren't smashing enough heads. They need to be out hunting any teabagger they can lay their hands on and make them feel pain

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/23/2011 8:07:51 AM   
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http://wills.about.com/b/2010/02/27/estate-taxes-by-state-does-wisconsin-have-an-estate-tax.htm

Will let you google tax incentives for the paper industry. Too many to even begin to list.

Now, show me where the state is bankrupt without the means to raise revenues......Citations please


Thank GOD...a state that does not tax the same money twice which is what an estate tax is.

And again...WHY should taxpayers continue to pay ever more...more than what they themselves make and have in benefits? I have yet to see a good answer to that.

As far as incentives to industry...industry brings profits into itself. Those same profits are taxed. Tell me...what profit do these teachers bring in? Wisconsin 8th graders fall below the norm when compared to other states when it comes to reading.




Hold on, you asked for ways to get the revenue needed. I gave those to you. I simply asked for you to give me links to where you have facts that the state of wisconsin is bankrupt without means to increase revenues. Do you have any or are you blowing smoke out your ass AGAIN.

Come on now. you are always running your mouth asking for citiations. I've asked you for one and it hasn't come. Where is it? Could it be you don't have one? Could it be you are full of shit?

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/23/2011 9:56:11 AM   
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this guy?

Prank call proves billionaire David Koch owns Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and the GOP

http://www.grist.org/article/2011-02-23-prank-call-provides-proves-billionaire-david-koch-owns

lol


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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/23/2011 10:42:14 AM   
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Look at them run!!!!  Watch out for the bus you guys!!!!!!

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/23/2011 12:20:02 PM   
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Right in front of Governor Walker's face are public sector employees from Wisconsin...and those trucked in from other states...as well as those protesters that the D.N.C. rounded up to join the fray.

People that go to work? They showed up on the weekend when they did not have to go to work to support themselves AND the protesters.


Oh for fuck's sake.

How many times do we have to hear this nonsense recycled?

Yes, them evil Democrats always truck in protesters.

How many times has this lame argument been used?

Sorry rml but even your own networks...CBS, ABC, NBC...have noted the presence of out-of-state protesters.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/23/2011 12:24:20 PM   
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it would seem that any interstate commerce carried on in these thug riots will pale precipitously in the next days..........don't it?

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/23/2011 12:36:12 PM   
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http://wills.about.com/b/2010/02/27/estate-taxes-by-state-does-wisconsin-have-an-estate-tax.htm

Will let you google tax incentives for the paper industry. Too many to even begin to list.

Now, show me where the state is bankrupt without the means to raise revenues......Citations please


Thank GOD...a state that does not tax the same money twice which is what an estate tax is.

And again...WHY should taxpayers continue to pay ever more...more than what they themselves make and have in benefits? I have yet to see a good answer to that.

As far as incentives to industry...industry brings profits into itself. Those same profits are taxed. Tell me...what profit do these teachers bring in? Wisconsin 8th graders fall below the norm when compared to other states when it comes to reading.




Hold on, you asked for ways to get the revenue needed. I gave those to you. I simply asked for you to give me links to where you have facts that the state of wisconsin is bankrupt without means to increase revenues. Do you have any or are you blowing smoke out your ass AGAIN.

Come on now. you are always running your mouth asking for citiations. I've asked you for one and it hasn't come. Where is it? Could it be you don't have one? Could it be you are full of shit?

Yes...you gave me a way that Wisconsin could raise one. That was not a citation, that was an article answering the question "Does Wisconsing have an estate tax". The answer was "No, Wisconsin does not". So, in your progressive mindset, stating that if they put one in, they would stop going broke is a citation.

Based on that, I gave you an answer that matched your efforts. The people of Wisconsin do not WANT an estate tax. If they did, they would have voted for it. Unless you think the legislature should just put a new tax on the people so they can pay more for something they are already paying taxes for? Or do you think that calling it an "estate tax" when the money is being fueled into something the voters already pay a tax for would make it more palatable?

However...I owe you an article so here's one that is a bit better than the one you gave me.

http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/news/opinion/columnists/krenz/article_05f226f3-9d06-50e2-a312-7a3375b77d39.html

Here's another one for you...

http://www.naturalnews.com/031438_economic_riots_health_care_costs.html

And some more for you to digest:
- According to a study by the University of Rochester and Northwestern University, there could up to as much as $3 TRILLION in unfunded state workers' retirement liabilities. This comes out to about $26,000 worth of debt burden for every family in America.

One reason for the problem is that state governments have historically been very generous with the way they funded the retirement plans of their state employees. According to the U.S. Labor Department, state and local governments paid $3.04 per hour toward each state employee's retirement in 2007 compared to $.92 that private companies paid for their employees.

Read more: http://www.articlesbase.com/politics-articles/state-governments-immobile-going-broke-and-high-on-wine-3665149.html#ixzz1Eog3dUL8

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/23/2011 1:37:28 PM   
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Bubba, I think if you have a deficit or unfunded mandates that you should create a revenue stream to do that. We can fuck around the issue and try to ignore it. We can let you try to save ourselves out of it and destroy the fabric of the land or we can be honest and start to collect taxes to get us back on track.

One question, if what you say is true that business goes away with any tax increase....how do you explain the 1990's with the largest tax increase in history?

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/23/2011 2:04:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Right in front of Governor Walker's face are public sector employees from Wisconsin...and those trucked in from other states...as well as those protesters that the D.N.C. rounded up to join the fray.

People that go to work? They showed up on the weekend when they did not have to go to work to support themselves AND the protesters.


Oh for fuck's sake.

How many times do we have to hear this nonsense recycled?

Yes, them evil Democrats always truck in protesters.

How many times has this lame argument been used?

Sorry rml but even your own networks...CBS, ABC, NBC...have noted the presence of out-of-state protesters.


Its even been acknowledged by the Obama adminstration when they said that "stories about Organizing for America's involvement in bringing in out-of-staters are overblown".

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/23/2011 2:10:35 PM   
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did they call the reports of this absolutely despicably lying character Scott Walker, overblown?

prolly not, eh?

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/23/2011 8:52:49 PM   
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Why do they even bother with trying to hide it

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Its even been acknowledged by the Obama adminstration when they said that "stories about Organizing for America's involvement in bringing in out-of-staters are overblown".


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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/24/2011 7:01:06 AM   
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Bubba, I think if you have a deficit or unfunded mandates that you should create a revenue stream to do that. We can fuck around the issue and try to ignore it. We can let you try to save ourselves out of it and destroy the fabric of the land or we can be honest and start to collect taxes to get us back on track.

One question, if what you say is true that business goes away with any tax increase....how do you explain the 1990's with the largest tax increase in history?

I love how the insults come out when someone says they're tired of paying other people's way. There IS NO right to a higher wage or to higher benefits. That is the problem with the public sector union mentality, especially teachers and bureaucrats...it GETS to be a rights thing in their brains. The "rights" to benefits were legislated to them...and now the folks behind the legislation (read that as taxpayers a.k.a. the teachers' bosses) have decided they are paying too much for what they are getting. There is NO right to stick your hand into someone else's pocket and say "you earned it but I have the right to it".

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/24/2011 7:09:11 AM   
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Why do they even bother with trying to hide it

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Its even been acknowledged by the Obama adminstration when they said that "stories about Organizing for America's involvement in bringing in out-of-staters are overblown".


Yesterday it was even acknowledged by Obama-Holder that they will not uphold a law enacted during Clinton's term. Now they're not even bothering to hide their impeachable actions.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/24/2011 7:17:41 AM   
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There IS NO right to a higher wage or to higher benefits. That is the problem with the public sector union mentality, especially teachers and bureaucrats...it GETS to be a rights thing in their brains. The "rights" to benefits were legislated to them...and now the folks behind the legislation (read that as taxpayers a.k.a. the teachers' bosses) have decided they are paying too much for what they are getting. There is NO right to stick your hand into someone else's pocket and say "you earned it but I have the right to it".



Its not about 'rights to benefits and higher wages'   Its about the right to organize.   It is no longer about the excess of a union or a state budget crisis.  Concessions were granted, budget problem solved.  

Its all about the right to organize now.  And who am I to deny them that simply based on taxpayer cost? Who are you to deny them that?  Can you imagine if someone went after the second amendment on the premise of 'taxpayer cost'? 


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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/24/2011 7:18:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Why do they even bother with trying to hide it

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Its even been acknowledged by the Obama adminstration when they said that "stories about Organizing for America's involvement in bringing in out-of-staters are overblown".


Yesterday it was even acknowledged by Obama-Holder that they will not uphold a law enacted during Clinton's term. Now they're not even bothering to hide their impeachable actions.


Impeachable?

Please do tell us more.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/24/2011 7:21:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Why do they even bother with trying to hide it

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Its even been acknowledged by the Obama adminstration when they said that "stories about Organizing for America's involvement in bringing in out-of-staters are overblown".


Yesterday it was even acknowledged by Obama-Holder that they will not uphold a law enacted during Clinton's term. Now they're not even bothering to hide their impeachable actions.


Impeachable?

Please do tell us more.


Impeachable.

Please do pay attention to the news.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/24/2011 7:24:24 AM   
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There IS NO right to a higher wage or to higher benefits. That is the problem with the public sector union mentality, especially teachers and bureaucrats...it GETS to be a rights thing in their brains. The "rights" to benefits were legislated to them...and now the folks behind the legislation (read that as taxpayers a.k.a. the teachers' bosses) have decided they are paying too much for what they are getting. There is NO right to stick your hand into someone else's pocket and say "you earned it but I have the right to it".



Its not about 'rights to benefits and higher wages'   Its about the right to organize.   It is no longer about the excess of a union or a state budget crisis.  Concessions were granted, budget problem solved.  

Its all about the right to organize now.  And who am I to deny them that simply based on taxpayer cost? Who are you to deny them that?  Can you imagine if someone went after the second amendment on the premise of 'taxpayer cost'? 



No one is attempting to deny any one the right to organize. Stop obfuscating the issue like a typical liberal.

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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/24/2011 7:27:57 AM   
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Yesterday it was even acknowledged by Obama-Holder that they will not uphold a law enacted during Clinton's term. Now they're not even bothering to hide their impeachable actions.


Impeachable?

Please do tell us more.


Impeachable.

Please do pay attention to the news.


Just pretend that I'm one of your NASCAR buddies and spell it out for me.


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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/24/2011 7:27:59 AM   
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No one is attempting to deny any one the right to organize. Stop obfuscating the issue like a typical liberal.



Bullshit. 

Even Fox news says so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CuuUV94bOW0


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RE: SCOTT WALKER for President - 2/24/2011 7:35:55 AM   
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No one is attempting to deny any one the right to organize. Stop obfuscating the issue like a typical liberal.



Bullshit. 

Even Fox news says so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CuuUV94bOW0




I'm starting to like Shepard Smith more and more.

I only wonder how long it will take for FOX to fire him.

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