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RE: Journal of Realpolitik - 8/10/2011 6:42:53 AM

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With a GOP majority in the house, no budget bill, and presiding over the largest debt and deficit in our nations history, are the republicans doing the job they promised us to do, and that we sent them down there to do?

I ask you MICHELLE BACHMANN

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RE: Journal of Realpolitik - 8/10/2011 8:34:36 AM

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How many times I gotts tell ya we are being robbed!

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1Qts5lTn5ISYjYyNmM0OGYtNzYzMi00ZjVkLThlNWQtODkyNzg2YmVkOWE5&hl=en_US

they have over 110 trillion bucks in subagency investment accounts throughout the US!

again this is just wisconsin alone.

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RE: Journal of Realpolitik - 8/10/2011 8:37:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

With a GOP majority in the house, no budget bill, and presiding over the largest debt and deficit in our nations history, are the republicans doing the job they promised us to do, and that we sent them down there to do?

I ask you MICHELLE BACHMANN

yeh so they appointed a new congress that can create law outside of congress that cannot be amended etc etc.

see my zie nazis are coming thread, well they are already here.

hiel ohaha

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RE: Journal of Realpolitik - 8/10/2011 8:46:51 AM

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Jimmy Carter trumps.

No, Reagan does. We wouldn't be in the energy mess we are now, as all the Carter programs addressing it were immediately canceled--the same type of solutions we're starting to talk about now, over 30 years later.

Imagine the progress we could have been enjoying today--including the financial savings and the new industries.

That`s not possible if you have no imagination.

When ronnie took the solar panels off of the WH,it was his way of saying he couldn`t care less about America`s energy future or our wellfare.

I wonder if he knew that our petro-dollars would later fund the destruction of the World Trade Center and a successful attack on our Pentagon, would he have thought twice or three times.

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RE: Journal of Realpolitik - 8/10/2011 9:21:04 AM

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With a GOP majority in the house, no budget bill, and presiding over the largest debt and deficit in our nations history, are the republicans doing the job they promised us to do, and that we sent them down there to do?

I ask you MICHELLE BACHMANN

I've made the point in another thread, but Palin and Bachmann are the US equivilant of the English Riots.

When the social contract has been broken to the point where any significent sector of society feels disconnected to the political process you get people flying off in odd directions. They are trying something, anything, to pull the political process back to issues they feel important. The need to do this is so overwhelming that normal rules of behaviour go out the window.

Whether it's tossing a brick through the window of the Sony Store, or sending into government representatives whose only brief is to destroy the sitting president at all costs......I see no functional difference. It's vandalism posing as politics.......but its the only option those who engage in it feel they have left.

Basically, the difference between the US and UK experience of massive social disconnect is different because of the presence of arms. As has been stated many times, an armed society is a polite society. You don't riot when the shop keeper might shoot you....you elect a tea party representative instead.

You may be tempted to think this is a good thing, political process rather than violence.

However, allow me to suggest that in the long term this isn't true. If a government should be afraid of the people rather than vice versa, what environment supports that idea best? A society where once can feel some measure of physical safety to hits the streets to protest, even riot? Or a society where hitting the streets carries with a real chance of getting killed?

It looks ugly, it is ugly. But this is the Realpolitik thread. If I want to angrily protest my government, I am more likely to do so when the police are not armed than if they are. Short term safety is not always the same as long term political hygiene.

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RE: Journal of Realpolitik - 8/10/2011 9:32:37 AM

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When the social contract has been broken to the point where any significent sector of society feels disconnected to the political process you get people flying off in odd directions. They are trying something, anything, to pull the political process back to issues they feel important. The need to do this is so overwhelming that normal rules of behaviour go out the window.

using the term social contract is softening the blow of reality.

a constitution is a "trust".

The people in the gubafia are "trustees".

Those trustees have the authority to use guns, and now operate like the mafia through corruption all the way back to the baltimore case where they claim the 10 amendments do not apply to the people and the use of the word People in the constitution instead of the word people.

Remember in those days they had no copiers and faxes and everything had to be copied by scribes.

The constitution that we think is original is very unlikely since it uses the words congress instead of congrefs, which is out of character for the time.

Violation of trust compact carries stiff penalties while violation of a social "contract" is bad boy dont do it again, now run along and play nice.

So much of this has been misrepresented for so many generations that the true character of what is going on is all but lost.

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RE: Journal of Realpolitik - 8/10/2011 9:53:11 AM

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"Violation of trust compact carries stiff penalties while violation of a social "contract" is bad boy dont do it again, now run along and play nice. "

....nope, violation of a social contract isn't a legal issue.

It's a fall-of-the-Roman-empire, issue.

Social contracts are nebulous things, they aren't written down, they aren't subject to spurious observations of spelling.

The social contract in the US, the big one, is that everyone agrees to be bound by the Constitution. When the perception is allowed or encouraged to persist that government doesn't follow the constitution, it's not just a legal matter. Legalities can be sorted out. The breach of the social contract is not healed by court cases. It is only healed when those who feel slighted say it is.

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