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"A professional" - 2/26/2011 7:19:08 AM

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I see a lot of profiles that have horrible misspellings and wretched grammar. Occasionally, one of them states that the writer is "a professional".

Anyone have any insight? Is this a small business owner who doesn't need written communication skills to get by? Or simply a liar?

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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 7:25:23 AM

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Maybe they're a professional athlete. God know's Terrell Owens is a dumbass...

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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 7:28:32 AM

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I don't think people understand what that term means anymore. Having a long-term job doesn't make you a professional. Even going to school for a certain career doesn't do it. I have known secretaries that consider themselves "secretarial professionals" (and who couldn't write a simple sentence without spell check). That's not how it works, folks.

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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 7:48:21 AM

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Busy professionals have no time to worry about spelling. Or penmanship. I've done transcription for doctors and the CEO of a commercial real estate company. Trust me, some of these people cannot write and they don't care. It's someone else's job to worry about it.

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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 7:56:06 AM

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Funny you mention this (today).

Just the day before yesterday I had a mail from a woman, 37, I think. That is rare in itself but it was just weirddddddddd.

Firstly, she told me something about "I deserve to be 3rd" (what hat she pulled that from is beyond me). Then she told me "I need to learn how to write english (yes, without a capital E).

I'd usually ignore such but took a gander at her profile. She had at least 12-17 spelling and grammatical mistakes. Like wtf.

Yeah, I know, immature but I told her off. Can't believe I fell for someone yankin' my chain like that but c'mon, seriously. She typed at a 6th grade level (or lesser). sigh.

But, yeah, she claimed she went to college. Uhh huh. Sure ya did hunny. Impossible--if not, she should get a refund.

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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 8:03:45 AM

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I know a lot, tons of people who went to college and can't type, can't spell, can't put together a complete sentence.

When I see professional in a profile, it's usually someone who thinks that because they've been doing their job for a long time then they are an expert. People put into their profiles what they think others want to read and will attract others. It doesn't matter if it's true or not. It rarely is.

When I was seeking and I saw that in a profile I automatically skipped right over it to look at the next profile.

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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 8:06:07 AM

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I a burger fleppin profesional for 5 yrs n it a verry gud jobb!!

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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 8:52:24 AM

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I see a lot of profiles that have horrible misspellings and wretched grammar. Occasionally, one of them states that the writer is "a professional".

Anyone have any insight? Is this a small business owner who doesn't need written communication skills to get by? Or simply a liar?

Welcome to America in the 21st Century. People are dumb, and getting dumber by the day. School isn't about getting an education anymore - it's just about getting a degree, and people have lost sight of the fact that the two are not the same thing. Our public school systems and universities are vomiting out tens of millions of "graduates" each year who have met the appropriate testing standards but do not know jack shit about... well... anything, really. But by god, they've got that there degree, and that's all that matters.

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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 8:53:50 AM

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I see a lot of profiles that have horrible misspellings and wretched grammar. Occasionally, one of them states that the writer is "a professional".

Anyone have any insight? Is this a small business owner who doesn't need written communication skills to get by? Or simply a liar?

Um... funny thing is I am a professional paper and ink salesmen... maybe they call that stationary, although I work specifically with paper and ink.

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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 8:55:17 AM

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I've done work for supervisors, managers, vice-presidents and assorted professionals. I was always the one who was approached to "clean" up whatever they'd written and make it professional for them. A degree in anything also doesn't guarantee correct spelling or proper grammar. Lucky me has a grade 12 education and if I'm not sure of the spelling, then I look it up before I type it. But then that's the anal retentive in me.

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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 9:25:40 AM

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When I was younger, I found out that the definition of professional is "for pay". It was never meant to imply any level of competence whatsoever. How people take it on the other hand is another story. And now since the language is so fluid (read bastardisable) the taken definition becomes the new official definition.

We are building a new and improved tower of babel it seems.

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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 1:41:31 PM

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I see a lot of profiles that have horrible misspellings and wretched grammar. Occasionally, one of them states that the writer is "a professional".
Anyone have any insight? Is this a small business owner who doesn't need written communication skills to get by? Or simply a liar?

Um... funny thing is I am a professional paper and ink salesmen... maybe they call that stationery, although I work specifically with paper and ink.

Typo fixed for free....repairs are on special today! *snort*

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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 1:44:44 PM

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Are these professionals also very 'dominate'?

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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 1:53:13 PM

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Panda, what you are saying is all too true.....and scary! When my son was in school, I had some issues with the way he was taught by the system. First, they had NO textbooks! The lower grades all got copies of what was being done in class that day. If they had any questions about the material covered, they had no way to go back to the books and look the stuff over.

Second, these days, they don't teach kids the basics, but rather how to use the tools that are out there. Which isn't totally bad, however, when my son was taking his math classes, I had to fork out $$$$ for all these expensive calculators. I asked him one day to show me his work for an algebra or geometry problem, and he whips out his calculator. I sad "No, I want to see how you GET the answer in your head." The kid looked at me like I was from Mars.....then I asked him how he took tests, and he said WITH the calculator! When asked what would happen if the batteries died in mid test, he said he'd just break out spares from his bookbag. And hit me with "and if I didn't have any, someone in class would!"

If I'd ever thought aobut showing up for class with a calculator, I'd be in hot water big time. That was cheating as far as the teachers were concerned. Bad enough that I don't seem to do math like most people, so showing my work was a trial....back when it counted as part of the grade. My work was light years different from the other kids, but since I usually got the right answer, there wasn't much they could do.

And forget English and grammar....text speak is what the kids today use, and it drives me absolutely NUTSO!!!!!! And adults doing it is even worse......everytime I see someone doing it, I automatically deduct 50 points from their IQ. There's a difference between being bad at spelling and too lazy to actually type out the words.....I mean, REALLY?

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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 5:10:47 PM

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Lawyers and doctors come to mind, they still have secretaries. And they are professionals.

However I think it's foolish to demand a kid does something without a calculator or a computer. In the real world, when you go to build a bridge no one is going to demand you have all the stress factors memorized and that you can't use a computer.

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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 5:16:31 PM

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In the real world we don't always have calculators handy either...When you depend on something to a point that you have trouble doing it any other way..well in most cases that a potential recipe for failure.

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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 5:19:07 PM

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In business & mathclasses, at least where I'm from, students are forbidden to bring in calculators with anything more than the most simple calculations and actions. No calculators that can preserve formulas etc. because you're supposed to know the formulas and know how to use them. Not put it into a calculator and let it do the work for you.
Also, if you only learnt how to type the formula into a calculator, how are you going to understand it? How are you going to teach it?

Legal writing is actually taught at law schools. There are high standards and expectations for the proper use of grammar, whether you take a course in legal writing or not.

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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 5:23:45 PM

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In the real world we don't always have calculators handy either...When you depend on something to a point that you have trouble doing it any other way..well in most cases that a potential recipe for failure.

Exactly. They still need to learn how math is done. From learning elementary arithmetic, kids learn the rules of math, the relationships between numbers, how and why 7x11=77 and 6x11=66. If all they need to know to pass the test is that math is something that happens when you push some buttons, they haven't learned a damned thing. A monkey can do that.

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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 5:52:02 PM

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However I think it's foolish to demand a kid does something without a calculator or a computer. In the real world, when you go to build a bridge no one is going to demand you have all the stress factors memorized and that you can't use a computer.

Several instructors in my engineering classes taught us the importance of doing a rough calculation to make sure the calculators weren't lying to us (due to fat-fingered entries) and especially when using simulators.

I can do a rough check with nothing more than scientific notation, memorized "times tables" and fractions. As a matter of fact, I had to do that when doing simple modern physics homework with my HP-15, else it would blow up at me.

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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 8:26:23 PM

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Being a busy professional generally doesn't excuse not running the post through spellcheck, unless saving those ten seconds is worth the risk of being misunderstood.

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Welcome to America in the 21st Century. People are dumb, and getting dumber by the day. School isn't about getting an education anymore

The modern primary school system was not based around the idea of educating children in the way we tend to think of 'education'. It was based around primarily providing people who could work manufacturing jobs. Both the education system and the medical system need to be redesigned from the ground up so they mesh better with the needs of modern society.

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Several instructors in my engineering classes taught us the importance of doing a rough calculation to make sure the calculators weren't lying to us (due to fat-fingered entries) and especially when using simulators.

Indeed. At the very least people need to have a healthy distrust for the data spit out by calculators and other automated computations. People that don't have a good grasp of math tend to take the output as gospel even though the input may be garbage. A person finishing high school ought to at the very least be able to do basic math (add, subtract, divide, and multiply), understand basic algebra, and understand basic derivation/integration. The last two not because you are likely to use them in your day to day life, but because the concepts are very very enlightening (problem solving, acceleration/deceleration, and cumulative change over time respectively).

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