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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/9/2011 11:49:54 PM   
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My favourite movie is Dogma.

In it, God is Alannis Morrisette.

If God had to be anyone, she would do.

And Alan Rickman has no genitalia.

Discuss.


I love the movie too.

I am so very cool with the idea of Alanis as God.

I do, however, take exception to the idea of Alan, minus genitalia. 

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/10/2011 6:59:41 AM   
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As ethics and faith are concerned don't permit others to steal your God given right. School can get in the way of a good education. If you want to be truly educated you have to take responsibility for your own education. Likewise, if you want a genuine relationship with God you have to take responsibility for your relationship with God despite the hardships and despite the Church.


Assuming that one believes in a God.

Myself, I would try the schooling.


It is not my impression that most atheists would agree that atheism is a natural state since religion dates far back. Atheism is a struggle with religion. Hence, I am not assuming that one believes in a God. Atheists are struggling with the notion of God and the like. It could be said that atheism rides on the coat tails of religion, taking what it finds agreeable and throwing out the rest as if such a thing were possible. For example, is education the work product of atheists or that of religion? What I am saying is that the atheist imperative is unnecessary. The faithful and atheism share a lot more in common than is acknowledged. You have to get past the falsehoods. This huge gap is imaginary; it is the work of the devil.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/10/2011 1:37:14 PM   
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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/11/2011 4:15:00 AM   
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It is not my impression that most atheists would agree that atheism is a natural state since religion dates far back. Atheism is a struggle with religion. Hence, I am not assuming that one believes in a God. Atheists are struggling with the notion of God and the like. It could be said that atheism rides on the coat tails of religion, taking what it finds agreeable and throwing out the rest as if such a thing were possible. For example, is education the work product of atheists or that of religion? What I am saying is that the atheist imperative is unnecessary. The faithful and atheism share a lot more in common than is acknowledged. You have to get past the falsehoods. This huge gap is imaginary; it is the work of the devil.


I have absolutely no struggle with religion nor do I struggle with the notion of any type of god. I have never believed and have yet to be proved wrong in my belief.

When someone can prove to me that some great power does exisit then I will reconsider my position, but as this is as likely to happen as someone showing me Rocking Horse doo doo then I am not holding my breath.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/11/2011 4:28:11 AM   
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When someone can prove to me that some great power does exisit then I will reconsider my position, but as this is as likely to happen as ...


Proof absolutes you of responsibility.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/11/2011 4:29:25 AM   
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"It is not my impression that most atheists would agree that atheism is a natural state"

Interesting because I think I disagree. I think Man feels unfullfilled, and as such seeks that which is outside, outside of his understanding and possibly his reason. Something beyond, maybe etherial(sp).

The base psychological concept here is that if one externalizes his strengths, he gains something on which to blame his weaknesses.

Some choose to do that, others don't. I don't. I caused about 90% of the problems in my life, not God or Allah or whoever. The choices I made, for better or worse were mine. Therefore the consequences are mine.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/11/2011 6:20:46 AM   
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I'm just breaking off from writing some e-mails to help Saeed Malekpour. Saeed Malekpour, is a naturalized Canadian, was imprisoned back in 2008 when he returned to Iran to visit his dying father. The web developer is being held responsible for a "pornographic website" because he created and sold the photo-downloading software used to help build it, which has his name on it.

He has been sentenced to death for 'moharebeh' or enmity with God, only he is being held without trial, tortured and imprisoned in Evin Prison.

Now the OP might like to read up on someone like Malekpour and what he and his wife has been through, because this is systematic abuse and persecution, taking place in a country which is now the second leading executioner in the world behind China, and which since the start of the year has been systematically executing one person on average every eight hours for 'moharebeh' or enmity with God.

I have nothing against religious people per se, because I know that on the whole, there is a hell of a lot of good things taking place in this world, and a large number of charities and human rights organizations who are working together to help people and make this world a better place.

But then perhaps maybe this need would not be so great if there wasn't another bunch of religious people going out of their way to make life hell for everyone else, and using religion as a handy,. convenient excuse to freely vent their psychoses, mental illnesses, emotional disturbances and personal prejudices on everybody else.

I have been put through hell in the last couple of years one way or another by nothing more than a bunch of cross-waving loonies who cannot accept the world as it is and other people for who they are which has cost me my career, reputation, work, home and the better part of $250,000. But this is nothing, because I am at least still alive and able to rebuild my life. There are millions of other people in this world, hundreds of millions in fact, who have either been killed, who are being imprisoned, tortured, maimed, persecuted, and living in fear..

.. not to mention now all those servicemen in different nations who have to remain thousands of miles from home, and those who have lost their lives, or who have had their lives ruined by crippling injuries and issues such as PTSD...

.. and this isn't because of religion. It's all because of all these people who are using religion as an excuse to vent their psychoses, mental illnesses, emotional disturbances and personal prejudices on other people. People who cannot face up to the realities of life, of this wprld and of people and who have to make up fairy stories and make belief bullcrap just to justify their existence.

I mean, how many people out there believe that God really is a human being, despite no evidence of this and it defying all known logic.

There's people who believe in angels, people who sprout wings and fly through the sky and live on clouds and who know how many times you have been masturbating in the past month.

There's people who really believe the world is only 10,000 years old and was created in seven days and that we all started out from one man and qne woman .. who had two sons.

Well if that really is the story what I want to know is how Adam and Eve having two sons Cain and Abel ended up having grandkids, and why did Cain murder Abel?

It's like with suicide bombers - the nuttiest of all the religious nutters you can find. I mean, let's just examine this 'logic' for a minute here.

We are told that they are trained in secret locations. So secret that many journalists know about it. How do you train someone to be a suicide bomber?

"Pay attention guys, I'm going to show you this only once. I won't repeat it, so watch me."

We are told that they believe that they will be rewarded by a number of virgins in heaven. The number varies (because different people are making all this up anyway), some say it's seven, some say it's twenty, and I've read somewhere that it's as many as 72 virgins. .

Now given that most men have difficulties getting it up after six pints of lager, so how in the hell is any of these terrorists going to be in a fit state to shag anyone or anything after they have transformed themselves into a couple of hundred pounds of flying casserole steak?

And even in the incredibly unlikely event of them being able to do so, what if their dick gets blown off in the explosion? Fat lot of good 72 virgins is going to be to one of these nutters who hasn't got a dick, isn't it?

"Erm, erm, darling, I can't seem to find my dick. Maybe you have a strap-on I can borrow?"

What if the explosion blew six inches off it, and all they have is a one in or one and a half inch stub?

It's bad enough with one woman perhaps, but they would have 72 virgins all making fun of their little dick and laughing and making those gestures with the little finger.

You can that heaven?

Okay, so what if all those 72 virgins all turn out to be like Lady Gaga, or Sarah Palin, or.. Condoleeza Rice?

What if the guy can't get it up, and he gets stuck on the third one "is it in yet?" and after an hour and a half or so "Can we change position?" or worse, she says "It's slipped out again".

You call that heaven?

This has been going on for thousands of years, the reformation, the crusades, the inquisitions, the wars, and for these thousands of years the world has been held to ransom by men dressed in funny clothes and talking out of their backsides about their imaginary friends.

Most religious people don't do this, they quietly go about their lives and let their religion guide their moral decisions actions and behaviour. This is cool. I love being among such people.

But there's others who all they seem to want to do is use religion to make other people suffer.

Take Christian rock for example. I understand Christianity, I understand rock music, but I feel that there should be a law against putting the two together.

And I also feel that for all the people who are trying to make other people suffer through talking out their backsides about imaginary friends and beings and fairy stories we need to be thinking more in terms of calling ambulances and getting them locked up and seen by men in white coats.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/11/2011 6:53:40 AM   
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I have gone through this Stella.

Religion of whatever kind helps those who have not yet discovered empathy, emnity, sympathy and endurance.

And I chose those words correctly.

It would take several correspondences to explain this, but really most people here already understand, at least to some extent. What they don't understand is my lawless nature, and some never will. Came a day in my life I no longer cared what anyone thought of me. Now the people I have left after that really do accept me for what I am. The rest can go fuck themselves.

"What if the explosion blew six inches off it, and all they have is a one in or one and a half inch stub? "

You mutually supply pleasure. You want that pussy full we got all kinds of things in the kitchen and of that ain't enough, there is the basement. You got nerve endings ? Well I'll stimulate yours if you stimulate mine. The whole fag/dyke thing eventually came down to who cares what you got ? The person is not defined by their body. Their big dick or their tight pussy. Nor the flashy coiffed mustache or the nice mammaries.

Which is it ? Why even bother putting up a picture ? We know now that it doesn't mean shit, even if it is real. No amount of physical beauty could ever begin to distract me. People can't believe it when I go to the bar woth them. I will walk up to a beauty queen and say "Hey". Maybe my attitude is like "I know you'll never fuck me, but what about the rest of you ?".

And sometimes I get lucky, very lucky.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/11/2011 7:59:14 AM   
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Because faith strives to be political, you confuse faith with politics. Wrongs are committed in the absence of religion. The world does not become a better place in the absence of religion. Wars are still fought, etc.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/11/2011 8:10:10 AM   
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Religion of whatever kind helps those who have not yet discovered empathy, emnity, sympathy and endurance.

And I chose those words correctly.

Pity you couldn't spell them correctly.

K.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/11/2011 8:44:18 AM   
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What you are arguing is that atheists can do it better, but the concepts themselves are religious. This goes back to a previous post of yours. One must be careful to distinguish side effects from substance. Moral virtue is a side effect of religion, not its substance. The goal of religion is to align ourselves with God, but not to become God. The distinction is subtle, but important. Atheists define religion according to its side effects; hence, they do not define religion. You made a reference to Aleister Crowley. The reason why his religion is unique is that it is not a religion at all. It is better described as a technology. It is logical, but its logic is one of a class of logics. Can it supplant the logic of the Church? It is plausible that it cannot achieve such a goal on the face of it. It is questionable as a moral code since it appears to fail to have any justification apart from those that are empirical. It is not philosophically satisfying. It also produces results that morally repugnant instinctually.

This argument that atheism is a natural condition is pure denial. All you need do is examine the origins of atheism. Atheism is an attempt to compete with religion. It is an attempt to do away with morality and replace it with technology.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/11/2011 10:09:57 AM   
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There's people who really believe the world is only 10,000 years old and was created in seven days and that we all started out from one man and qne woman .. who had two sons.

Well if that really is the story what I want to know is how Adam and Eve having two sons Cain and Abel ended up having grandkids, and why did Cain murder Abel?




I am on another chat site and I have on occassions been contacted from people that believe that God and religion is a must for everybody. I have been berated for not attending church on a Sunday and have had some people who are horrified by the thought. They have even asked what else do I do on Sunday, going to Church is what Sunday is for.

Whenever I chat to someone like that I always ask them why they go to Church and the answer is usually because they have gone since they were very small and their parents told them that they have to. When told to read the bible, I explain that I have and that perhaps they could help me understand a few points. The first question is what does the bible say about incest. Of course they come back and say it is a sin. Then I ask the question if Adam and Eve had 2 sons how did the sons have children.

Just one of the many many contradictions in the bible.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/11/2011 11:20:18 AM   
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If you notice political parties also play this game. It is more expedient not to explain any of it when you don't have to. What is important is you obey because there are other people to figure these things out for you. Sounds like Communism doesn't it? The Bible is a canonical work, i.e. you need a priesthood to make sense of it for you. Such contradictions are not especially interesting to a Catholic. The Catholic Church has what is known as the Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2nd Edition (ISBN-13: 978-0-87973-977-5). On the back cover it says:

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The first new compendium of Catholic doctrine regarding faith and morals in more than 400 years, the Catechism of the Catholic Church stands, in the words of Pope John Paul II, as "a sure norm for teaching the faith" and an "authentic reference text."


I opened it to a random page. Paragraph 1855 on page 454 states interestingly enough something that is especially relevant to this discussion:

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Mortal sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of God's law; it turns man away from God, who is his ultimate end and his beatitude, by preferring an inferior good to him.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/11/2011 12:58:50 PM   
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Because faith strives to be political, you confuse faith with politics. Wrongs are committed in the absence of religion. The world does not become a better place in the absence of religion. Wars are still fought, etc.


This is absolute codswallop written by someone who has the freedom and right to spout such bullshit.

I could respond to this, but first I'd need to learn to properly walk on my hands and train my butt to quack.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/11/2011 8:40:37 PM   
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................right to spout such bullshit.

I could respond to this, but first I'd need to learn to properly walk on my hands and train my butt to quack.





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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/11/2011 8:52:14 PM   
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OMG Stella, Id love to see that, if you manage it you should sell it!!!!! it would be a boon for all those times when people come to your door, whip out your iphone/raspberryberry/ android etc and show them your version of the good word!!!
Best post of the day:)


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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/12/2011 2:03:04 PM   
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Communism is religion without God. With the Inquisition the matter concerned those who committed mortal sins. It did not concern the full gamut of sin nor all worldly activities. On the other hand, Atheists feel that there is nothing outside their jurisdiction.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/12/2011 2:13:23 PM   
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Because faith strives to be political, you confuse faith with politics. Wrongs are committed in the absence of religion. The world does not become a better place in the absence of religion. Wars are still fought, etc.


This is the kind of bullshit that should get this thread moved to random stupidity.

For one thing, Faith, or the act of believing in something, is NOT striving to be political.

The faithful, for example the Christian Right, are indeed political.


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faith
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–noun
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3. belief in god or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.
6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.
7. the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.
8. Christian Theology . the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.


Since you clearly do not understand the meaning of the word, I thought I would help you out.

Clearly you have some comprehension problems.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/12/2011 2:27:03 PM   
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For one thing, Faith, or the act of believing in something, is NOT striving to be political.


To understand why religion is political you need to understand what religion is. Just think of it in practical terms. If you aren't the dominant whatever in society, you get dumped on. It is also unclear that what people do behind closed doors is benign. It is a relevant concern to society in that it alters the character of its actors.

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RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself - 4/12/2011 3:19:25 PM   
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I opened it to a random page. Paragraph 1855 on page 454 states interestingly enough something that is especially relevant to this discussion:

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Mortal sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of God's law; it turns man away from God, who is his ultimate end and his beatitude, by preferring an inferior good to him.




How is anything dealing with mortal sin relevant to this discussion?

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Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, Pentecostals—all acknowledge the possibility of mortal sin at least in some form. Only Presbyterians, Baptists, and those who have been influenced by these two sects reject the reality of mortal sin.

The early Church Fathers, of course, were unanimous in teaching the reality of mortal sin. They had to embrace the doctrine of mortal sin precisely because they recognized not only the salvific power of baptism but also the damning power of certain serious sins. The Church taught that "baptism . . . now saves you" (1 Pet. 3:21; see the Catholic Answers tracts Baptismal Grace and Born of Water and the Spirit). However, since during the persecutions some baptized people denied Christ, and since Christ taught that "whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven" (Matt. 10:33), the Church Fathers recognized that it was possible to lose the grace of salvation after baptism.

The idea that one could never lose salvation would have been unimaginable to them, since it was evident from the Bible that baptism saves, that the baptized can deny Christ, and that those who deny Christ will not be saved unless they repent, as did Peter.

Mortal Sin


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