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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/15/2011 5:17:03 AM   
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"There is nothing in the power of humans to move anything with that much mass even a fraction of a millimeter, and there almost certainly never will be."

Not true, but I will agree that the effect even if measurable would be insignificant. At least for the most part.


Absolutely true.

Let's take a very small plate, the Caribbean Plate. It's a little more than a million square miles, about a million two. We'll round down, and call it a million.

It's mostly oceanic, so let's say it has an average thickness of 10 miles. So, we have a total volume of 10,000,000 square miles.

Calculate the number of cubic feet in a cubic mile, and you get a figure of 147,197,952,000. So, you have a total of 1,471,979,520,000,000,000 cubic feet (1.471 quintillion cubic feet) of mass in the Caribbean Plate.

Multiply that by the weight of granite (166.5 lbs per cubic foot) and you get a total weight of 245,084,590,080,000,000,000 lbs - almost 2.5 sextillion tons of mass. And that's just a very small plate - 1.2 million square miles. The Pacific Plate is 39,000,000 square miles.

If you can explain to me some sort of man made mechanism that can move 2.5 sextillion pounds, I'd be very interested in knowing what it is. Until someone does explain it to me, I'm going to continue to maintain that there is absolutely nothing humankind to do to impart momentum to a mass of that scale.




What am trying to get at here, is the fact that underground nuclear testing causes vibrations in the earth, and no matter how large of how small they are, over a period of time vibrations can mount up enough to be an irritation to unstable situations. Now given the frequency of nuclear detonations as was tested in the 1960's through to the 1980's by many nations comparing there dicks, that is a lot of vibrations in the earth that would not have been there otherwise, so is there a possibility that the flexing of military muscles could have destabilised what nature was dealing with already as part of the world's natural action ?

Now global warming though perhaps connected or unconnected, it appears mankind so we are told is affecting world climate and with that nature, if we have the power to alter the climate, why is it not considered that we could be irritating the continental plates with our how many whatever comparisons of millions of tons of TNT drilled into the earth's crust and there detonated so scientists can design bigger ones, oh, and generals can get hard ?


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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/15/2011 11:08:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don’t believe vibrations from testing would build up over time. I believe each instance would either trigger a quake or not.

Vibrations are of a given intensity and time period… Otherwise the vibration would quickly dissipate and end. There would be no stored energy involved.

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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/15/2011 7:55:34 PM   
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I don’t believe vibrations from testing would build up over time. I believe each instance would either trigger a quake or not.

Vibrations are of a given intensity and time period… Otherwise the vibration would quickly dissipate and end. There would be no stored energy involved.

Butch


Yeah, that's about as well-stated as it can be. Perfectly put. The effect of a subterranean nuclear detonation is very localized and extremely short-lived. The tectonic plates are in constant motion, and any short-term effect a nuclear explosion might have would be quickly absorbed by the system.


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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/15/2011 8:20:54 PM   
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I don’t believe vibrations from testing would build up over time. I believe each instance would either trigger a quake or not.

Vibrations are of a given intensity and time period… Otherwise the vibration would quickly dissipate and end. There would be no stored energy involved.

Butch




Yeah, that's about as well-stated as it can be. Perfectly put. The effect of a subterranean nuclear detonation is very localized and extremely short-lived. The tectonic plates are in constant motion, and any short-term effect a nuclear explosion might have would be quickly absorbed by the system.





So my evil plan to use a bunch of nuclear bombs to trigger the Yellowstone super volcano to erupt wont work....


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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/16/2011 12:58:51 AM   
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Someone I know got a job at a junkyard. If the glass was worthless they had to break it before the car went into the crusher.

Dude is there with hammers and a bunch of shit trying to break a car window, and his boss walks up with a file, taps the glass and it shatters into a milliion pieces effortlessly.

Because the force was so localised it overcame the bonds in the molecules, no matter how big the hammer the force was distributed over a wider area. Make the area small enough and caboosh.

It's like the difference between a spotlight and a laser.

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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/16/2011 1:21:51 AM   
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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/16/2011 3:33:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you knew what they have you would remain silent. I know technology and I get newsletters and shit. There are devices now tht wouldn't have ben imagined even ten years ago.

They now have a transistor that consists of only ONE MOLECULE. I can't do that.

They can see through walls and all this, affect you with waves, either EM or audio, possibly supersonic. It's not that I know about these secret things, it's that I could do them myself. I know the theory of operation.

Remember Watergate ? They had that building bugged before the breakin, by a laser beam bounced off of a window. I guess the sound wasn't clear enough. What year was that, and what do you think they have been doing since then ?

Another thing people have no fucking idea about when it comes to the Earth's crust.; When you heat up a small area you cause a thermal gradient, and that CAN move mountains. Wanna see ? Put a glass bowl in the oven and heat it to 500 degrees. Pour some cold water in it. Do this OUTSIDE.

Yeah, they thought of everything - in the book. They thought of everything - the teacher told them. And of course nobody ever forgets anything.

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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/16/2011 4:09:57 AM   
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Someone I know got a job at a junkyard. If the glass was worthless they had to break it before the car went into the crusher.

Dude is there with hammers and a bunch of shit trying to break a car window, and his boss walks up with a file, taps the glass and it shatters into a milliion pieces effortlessly.

Because the force was so localised it overcame the bonds in the molecules, no matter how big the hammer the force was distributed over a wider area. Make the area small enough and caboosh.

It's like the difference between a spotlight and a laser.

Quit thinking about what you know, start thinking about what you don't know.

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Quite, my understanding of this, is an automatic dot punch in the corner of a window, the shock shatters the glass, only a dot, infinitesimally minute in comparison to the area of the window,( toughened safety glass works best, but other glass structures also suffer ), yet such a dot with the punching force behind it wreaks such havoc on glass.

What's glass made of ?

But that's about instantaneous force, the force I was questioning was a sustained low frequency vibration and it's effect on unstable structures and somewhere in that, the harmonic effects of the interaction of low frequency vibrations from many angles, like wavelets in a pond.

Sometimes it does not need the biggest hammer to wreak the most damage.

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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/16/2011 4:10:35 AM   
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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/16/2011 9:00:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Oh I'm well aware of all the things HAARP can do. "

You invented it ?

Sure that was snarky, but it shows to go ya. Anyone who says they know everything about nything is wrong. No exceptions.

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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/16/2011 12:36:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		That go for you as well, then?
That ruling would suggest that you know less than most on here, given how many areas of expertise you lay claim to...

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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/16/2011 1:01:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, I don't know all that they can do with technology. But I do know quite a bit about what CAN be done, and that is not comforting given who is in possesion of said technology. I am aware of quite a bit, while that's bad enough, what is out there that I don't know ?

If I know the theory of operation of a bunch of things, what do "they" know ? It's their job to come up with this shit every day, not mine.

Think of the one molecule transistor, and that's from a newsletter from Fairchild Semiconductor. Sent out to everyone on the mailing list. My point is, with all they do tell you/us, what aren't they ?

I've been a mad scientist for a long time, but they are professional, which means they get paid, which means they are motivated. I don't believe for example that they can't find Bin Laden, they could find his dead ass carcass if he'd have died 100 years ago. If they wanted to. Make them want to find you and try hiding. You better be agent 008¾ to last a month. And if it's true that they taught Bin Laden, that only serves to prove the point.

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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/16/2011 1:44:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Who's "them" in this context? If you've worked technical jobs, you should know that there's very little interface between politicos and people who do science for a living.

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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/16/2011 2:10:54 PM   
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"Oh I'm well aware of all the things HAARP can do. "

You invented it ?

Sure that was snarky, but it shows to go ya. Anyone who says they know everything about nything is wrong. No exceptions.

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No, but did you?  So in other words your saying no one could possibly know the full extent of HAARP or even have a general idea about it?  Im well aware of everything from behavior modification, hearing voices projected into your head,  to weather modification, etc.  Would you stop trying to challenge my knowledge on things I CLEARLY know about. 

I've done my research, stop looking at my age and thinking I know nothing.  Concentrate on the conversation at hand.

HAARP is a facility in Alaska is capable of transmitting "3.6 million watts" of radio frequency power, and is used to heat up portions of the ionosphere.  This causes aurora borealis.  Therefor if you want to question if HAARP has been used of if its a natural occurrence look to the sky.  I'm in no way stating that every time an aurora borealis happens that HAARP has been used.  But its just a bit of food for thought. 

Another case of Sci-fi becoming Sci-fact.  Then immediately being brought under the control of the military.  Lol, ohh how everything that's invented to help us eventually gets perverted into a weapon.

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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/17/2011 12:53:12 AM   
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A nuclear underground test may only affect a few miles while fault lines can run for thousands of miles and they simply have too much mass.
It would be like lighting off a firecracker at the base of the Empire State building.

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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/18/2011 12:46:17 AM   
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You think they had the HAARP technology in 1859 ?

And 3.6 million watts ain't shit. Regular TV stations approached that in the 1980s.

As one side tries to hide the capabilities of a given technology, some assume things not in fact. Then like a normal prosecutor will see all evidence to support their claims, ignoring that which is contradictory. This is human nature. Both sides of any issue do it and as you may have witnessed, the same exact words can prove one thing to one reader, and prove the opposite to another.

This is because there are holes in what I call their knowledge lattice. This starts at a very early age and requires certain things to happen, which leaves a youngin questioning EVERYTHING his whole life. My field is technology, electronics and beyond. I am not into government or politics that much,. it doesn't matter all that much. What will happen will happen.

But let me tell you, this is not HAARP technology but people who don't know have attibuted it to such. With piezoelectric(sp) tweeters that are capable of powerful ultrasonic emissions, they can do a few interesting things. The devices are already waiting for installatiuon on military and government vehicles, but they don't, not yet.

With a waveform generator and a powerful ampfifier they have waveforms that when amplified can make everyone in a crowd (or mob) get nauseous or, for example have to take a pee. At higher power levels they can do more. These waves are not heard by the ear, but the have a definite physiological effect, and I hope that's all it is. I KNOW how these things can work, I know how they MUST work. These setups are only to be brought out in the cae of a major upheaval. What's more I can design a proper suit to stop the ultrasound. A new kind of tin hat.

The only reason they would use a non destructive crowd control device is that they would be confident in their ability to regain control and resume exploitation of the "crop". That's us. Any other time they would be happy to kill us because they wouldn't have to worry about us anymore.

Don't you understand ? THEY ARE PREDATORS ON THEIR OWN KIND, because they think of themselves as above us. It is and has always been a class war.

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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/18/2011 1:16:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well I went with the non controversial level of output.  I'm aware of all those other things you mentioned.  Down to the possibility of HAARP being used in desert storm.  I mean come on the whole Iraqi army all the sudden coming out of their bunkers and just surrendering!?  Really!?  Plus them having complained of massive anxiety and not being able to sleep.  I mean yes, there is always battle stress.  But these weren't green recruits.  These were veterans.

My point being, I do know what I'm talking about.  I'm just not trying to sound crazy... Just yet, lol.


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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/18/2011 2:20:19 AM   
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Lay it on me. I'm only the highest paid electronics tech in this state. I'm sure you know more than I, and Roy Allison, Robert Carver, Dr. Bose and a few others. Electronics, acoustics and wave propogation are my field. I would always like to learn more.

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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/18/2011 2:31:42 AM   
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"I do know what I'm talking about. "

Lay it on me. I'm only the highest paid electronics tech in this state. I'm sure you know more than I, and Roy Allison, Robert Carver, Dr. Bose and a few others. Electronics, acoustics and wave propogation are my field. I would always like to learn more.

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I'm sorry, I've never claimed to know more than you.  It's only YOU who has claimed to know more than me.  Infact. about just about everything I have ever posted about so far.  Over and over again.  What is your obsession with me?  Does it bother you someone my age actually knows what he's talking about?  That I have done a lot of research into everything I have talked about?  You really do have a need to always be superior don't you?

But bottom line is, I don't give a shit who you are.  In my mind and I'm sure just about everyone elses on this forum.  Your practically a Nazi.  Certainly a eugenicist, egotistical, pig headed, lonely old man.  So kindly go back your trolling and disregard any debate we have had.  I will just ignore your ignorance from now on.  Now go ahead and mock my age and "lack of knowledge" some more because no one could possibly know as much as you.  Talk your little bit of shit and be on your way.

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RE: can nuclear testing set off eathquakes ? - 3/18/2011 2:59:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like the cut of your jib.

I guess I may have come off that way. I've been through all kinds of wars on the fora. Maybe I am too much, too adversarial. If so I am sorry, but wait until "they" start on you. And you should see me get on some of the old hands on here. No mercy. But then these are some serious issues.

Go ahead and ignore me, then six billion plus can see what I said and you can't.

What I am trying to get across is that you are whole hog into this, all excited and feel that you are discovering secrets. In a way you are. But like I said, this forum has been through that hundreds of times.

Do as thou wilt.

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