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LeatherCharm -> New sub starting training... (5/7/2006 9:49:11 AM)

Hello everyone.

I am to start training soon.  I am terrified.  I have been yearing this to be a part of my life for quite sometime. I just turned 24. She has what I crave inside. Yet I had a flight for this morning and canceled it. What is stopping me from relinquishing control of myself. I want to follow through and get on the plane and submit myself to her. Anything is helpful.

John




theRose4U -> RE: New sub starting training... (5/7/2006 10:03:04 AM)

Likely this is the same thing that happens to lots of boys when they don't show up. Personally this is why I must have a cell number for newbies and contact them at regular intervals leading up to meeting reassuring them that we're meeting for coffee and not everyone can see the invisible kinky tattoo on his forehead.
Unfortunatly through your actions you've now put yourself in the position to be undesirable to those locally that you should have started out with and VERY likely with this woman that you claim to profess devotion. I'm hoping that you've contact her and discussed the change of plans and unfortunately assuming that by making this post you haven't contacted her and you're trying to 1) tell her of the change 2) find someone that will justify your behavior...sorry I'm not that person.
In light of your post finding this part of your profile strangely ironic...No games or BS Here. This is my life.

If you are sincere that this is your path and considering that you live in a kink black hole I'm very curious as to how you justify your coarse of action?




LeatherCharm -> RE: New sub starting training... (5/7/2006 10:06:04 AM)

I am not trying to ro do I desire to justify (sounds bad). I have know her for over a year. We have seen each other only once. I have contacted her and spoken to her this morning. This is a move that is going to be full time. It is my life beacuase I am consumed by thoughts throughout the day. Why am I having a problem facing the music. That is what I don't understand I guess?




FLsubmalecd -> RE: New sub starting training... (5/7/2006 10:14:48 AM)

My guess would be that you are stuggling with facing reality and are not sure if your desire is just fantasy or that you really want this as a very real 24/7 part of your life.
My only other thought is that perhaps you should have called her and told her about your fears ina very open and honest way instead of posting here looking for some courage and a push to get on that plane. Seems like the both of you have not talked this out enough and maybe even agreed to a trail period. It's a big step for you. I realize that.l it just seems you are not sure.  

I suggest very strongly that you get on the phone to her immediately and very sincerely and openly tell her of your fears and  or whatever else is holding you back. Again, you shuold have already dome that. Good luck to you. I hope it works out for the both of you.  




MasterFireMaam -> RE: New sub starting training... (5/7/2006 10:17:01 AM)

We are often afraid of being as successful as we think we should be, as healthy as we know we could be and as happy as we feel we deserve. Follow our bliss can actually be a terrifying journey, especially when we are used to a certain mindset. Sometimes, we stay in hell because we know all the street names. Self esteem can keep us from bliss because, deep down, we feel we don’t deserve it.

According to Carolyn Myss, we each have 12 archetypes that are active throughout our lives. 8 of them vary from person to person. 4 of them, we all have. These are the Child, the Victim, the Saboteur and the Prostitute. While these might, at first, have negative connotations, they can be used in a positive way. Perhaps you will find this information useful, should you decide to study them and yourself. http://myss.com/FourArchs.asp

It sounds like to me that your saboteur archetype is in full swing. you'll have to analyze whether or not this archetype is acting out of fear and limiting you or acting in such a way to keep you from doing something stupid. Are there red flags with this woman that you've tried to ignore? Or, do you have a habit of sabotaging yourself to keep yourself miserable? It can be a tough analysis.   Fire




LeatherCharm -> RE: New sub starting training... (5/7/2006 10:17:11 AM)

I have done this this morning. She instructed me to post here and see what feedback I get....




MasterFireMaam -> RE: New sub starting training... (5/7/2006 10:21:30 AM)

If you've only met her once in the course of a year, it's my opinion that you feel reluctant because you know that the relationship hasn't developed as deeply as it needs to in order for a 24/7 move to work. You really don't know someone until you live with them. I suggest several extended visits before moving. Something longer than a weekend...if you can swing it, I'd do a month at a time. I mean, you wouldn't go and marry someone having only met them once, right? Why would you do this that way?

Fire





theRose4U -> RE: New sub starting training... (5/7/2006 10:26:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LeatherCharm

I am not trying to ro do I desire to justify (sounds bad). I have know her for over a year. We have seen each other only once. I have contacted her and spoken to her this morning. This is a move that is going to be full time. It is my life beacuase I am consumed by thoughts throughout the day. Why am I having a problem facing the music. That is what I don't understand I guess?

This kind of falls under DUH. You've met this person ONCE and you're moving perminantly? <jumps up waving big red flag> You problem is that you don't know this person enough to feel secure and haven't developed enough of a level of trust to know that you'll be safe and secure in this situation. Thus my example of contacting the new on the way to meetings.




LeatherCharm -> RE: New sub starting training... (5/7/2006 10:30:05 AM)

quote:

Or, do you have a habit of sabotaging yourself to keep yourself miserable? It can be a tough analysis.   Fire


This is a question I have continued to ask myself about many things and decisions I have made, work or personal.




LeatherCharm -> RE: New sub starting training... (5/7/2006 10:31:11 AM)

It's not going to be 24/7 per say. And I do feel comfortable with her.




thetammyjo -> RE: New sub starting training... (5/7/2006 10:34:55 AM)

I agree with the previous two posts.

If you have only met face-to-face once in an entire year, you may be feeling anxious because you really don't know enough about this person yet.

Perhaps you should negotiate spending a weekend with her first and then flying back home and then other trips between where you are and she is to see if you two are a good match.

Once you are there for an unspecified time it may be difficult to pull up stakes and move if you need to do so.

I'd also suggest getting a job and your own place when you do move out to just continue to see how well things work. Remember this is about consent and you need to be able to say "no" as well as "yes" at any time if things don't go well.

But this is how I run my household. I'd never ask someone to move in with me unless we had several months of daily face-to-face contact. How could I be sure that he/she is trustworthy unless I've seen them in a variety of situations?




LeatherCharm -> RE: New sub starting training... (5/7/2006 10:37:34 AM)

It's not that I am not comfortable etc. I am more concerned or afraid of the "unknown" or giving control up.




Proprietrix -> RE: New sub starting training... (5/7/2006 10:43:20 AM)

You're here asking for feedback. That means you will receive some comments you like, some you're indifferent to, and ....... my opinion.
If I were the Mistress in this scenario, I'd be pissed. I've been stood up before because a submissive's words didn't match their actions and they got cold feet. It's completely inconsiderate imo. I can't stand people who talk the talk but then can't measure up when it comes time to walk the walk. It infuriates me to the core and has hypocrisy written all over it.
If I make a commitment to do something, I do my best to make sure I follow through on my word. I expect the same in return. I have no time for sniveling in the corner. If someone isn't ready to make the next step, they shouldn't agree to take the next step.
If it had happened to me, I would tell you to go ahead and resume your life where you're at because you obviously aren't ready to move forward, and I'd preoccupy myself with people who were ready to live up to their promises.
If you had set up a job elsewhere and planned to relocate, and then got cold feet and cancelled, would you really expect the employer to say "Oh it's ok. I understand you're young and maybe not ready for such a life change."? No. You'd more likely expect a response like "Sorry you couldn't follow through. We've found someone else who could handle the job."




LeatherCharm -> RE: New sub starting training... (5/7/2006 10:48:27 AM)

Well I have the opportunity to make this decison. It't not that I just blatently did'nt show up and say someting a week later. I called and discussed this before my time to leave.  I am communicating my feelings to Her.




Kirei -> RE: New sub starting training... (5/7/2006 10:48:47 AM)

  Most good dominants I know have you stay at least a week or two with them.  Then go home and wait to see what you say back.  If your in a couple of weeks asking, or begging to come full time...then they can make for it.  A week to 2 wks gives you a pretty good time to see some good and some bad in the person you will be living with....if you can handle that your ok.

Koneko




LadyHugs -> RE: New sub starting training... (5/7/2006 11:14:25 AM)

Dear LeatherCharm, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I am really concerned for you lad.  You are a young man who hasn't lived life as a free man all that long as to discover your authentic self. 
 
Doubts crop up as you haven't the experience or means to judge the situation, it might be your gut instinct raising the red flag -- Are you sure you want to hop from one fry pan into another fry pan, not knowing the expectations and or if the dominant is qualified to train you in the first place.  Talk is cheap--Life's lessons expensive.  So, I would be curious as to what the hurry is in jumping from what you do know (as life is where you live) to a life based on conversation and one meeting with a dominant.
 
There is what is called a "courtship" to which the "hunt" is more fun than the capture.  Have you thought about, should you find yourself in a dire situation, how to get out of it?

My opinion in a similar situation, to which I was interested in a young lad as you, would have many more visits out to the Dominant's residence, be patient, I'd want my slave potential to look at me when I'm sick as well as decked out, as if I was hunting for a victim to ravish and ...err nebbermind (getting to excited at my age might get me frustrated).

How old is the dominant?  Is she a young lass wishing to have a boy to be a slave in "keeping her?"  What is the training for?  What do you plan to make of it when all is said and done in her training.  No offense but, one [cough] alleged slave trainer expert's thought on training was sending the lad to get a job and buy her goodies.  Her idea of D/s was see how much money she could bleed out of you under the guise of "training."
I do believe most individuals know how to do a place setting at a table.  I didn't see the justification to charge a lad $2,000.00 to learn that.  I might add, that she didn't know the difference between a coffee cup and tea cup (which is-the tea cup is larger than the coffee cup; especially in pre-1920s services).

What we fear is what we do not understand.  So, all these emotions, feelings, thoughts, logic and debates that wrestle inside of you--is a natural instinct of the primal human-
Fight or Flight.  You have a right to be human lad.  If it is meant to be; patience is a virtue and when the time is correct it will happen.

I personally would not push a lad as sweet as you come across, into a blind situation.
I'd recommend joining the military, where you'll be trained and paid for it; to where I would take up where the military left off.  [[Being as old as I am, chasing young lads with a long whip and empty collar like a butterfly net --has long since passed]]

Submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

 




MisPandora -> RE: New sub starting training... (5/7/2006 7:08:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: theRose4U
This kind of falls under DUH. You've met this person ONCE and you're moving perminantly? <jumps up waving big red flag> You problem is that you don't know this person enough to feel secure and haven't developed enough of a level of trust to know that you'll be safe and secure in this situation. Thus my example of contacting the new on the way to meetings.


Amen!!!!  This is your brain alarm sounding that something is not RIGHT! Follow it!




crouchingtigress -> RE: New sub starting training... (5/8/2006 10:28:44 AM)

What is stopping you from relinquishing control?
 
Do you really need to ask?
 
It is like relinquishing a leg.
 
Your ego, is who you are, it is the thoughts you think the things you do...Everything comes from self perception something you have been developing for 23 years, fine tuning discovering who you are , what you like, how you act, what makes sense to you and what does not in the world.
 
And now you are being faced with the very likely possibility, that what you like, will shift and and change and perhaps be forbidden...
how you act, will shift and change and parts of that will be forbidden....
and what makes sense to you, will certainly shift and change and some of that will be forbidden.....
 
Not since you were a child has any one had the right to tell you NO, or to do things for them whether you like it or not. AND to be able to corporeally punish you if you dont comply, chances are your own parents did not do that to you.....
 
This is a HUGE step...and very scary.

You dont sound ready.
 
Ask yourself what you being ready looks like and then ask yourself what steps would need to be in place to get there.
 
Be ruthlessly honest...and then be just as ruthlessly patient ....




LindaLashes -> RE: New sub starting training... (5/8/2006 4:19:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Proprietrix

You're here asking for feedback. That means you will receive some comments you like, some you're indifferent to, and ....... my opinion.
If I were the Mistress in this scenario, I'd be pissed. I've been stood up before because a submissive's words didn't match their actions and they got cold feet. It's completely inconsiderate imo. I can't stand people who talk the talk but then can't measure up when it comes time to walk the walk. It infuriates me to the core and has hypocrisy written all over it.
If I make a commitment to do something, I do my best to make sure I follow through on my word. I expect the same in return. I have no time for sniveling in the corner. If someone isn't ready to make the next step, they shouldn't agree to take the next step.
If it had happened to me, I would tell you to go ahead and resume your life where you're at because you obviously aren't ready to move forward, and I'd preoccupy myself with people who were ready to live up to their promises.
If you had set up a job elsewhere and planned to relocate, and then got cold feet and cancelled, would you really expect the employer to say "Oh it's ok. I understand you're young and maybe not ready for such a life change."? No. You'd more likely expect a response like "Sorry you couldn't follow through. We've found someone else who could handle the job."



Guess you have no consideration or patience for slaves who aren´t tip-top and 100%.
I pity those slaves who dare to feel insecure or have doubts when you´re around,,,, job? what do you pay them then??




LeatherCharm -> RE: New sub starting training... (5/9/2006 11:40:59 AM)

I really appreciate all who are giving info....Thank you LindaLashes. I appreciat the sincereity, this is a very important decision for me.




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