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kittinSol -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 6:28:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aynne88 Kittinsol!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you, you darling - I missed all of you, except for RealOne, and a couple of others, but then God told me that since I was the beneficiary of health insurance, I ought to come clean and come back to the boards to bring the good word, and tell all that Viagra for men over what the Lord deemed the normal age of procreation (35 and under, alas, you guys) should no longer be a tax-deductible benefit. So, all of you impotent bastards who can't get a hard-on because your dicks are flaccid, well... stick a stick down it. You guys... I'm sowwy... but it was always, and kind of, ever, either, come back as the Angel of Death, or stay away... you guys. And I can't ever shut up :-D.

Lucylastic -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 6:30:15 PM)
quote: Viagra for men over what the Lord deemed the normal age of procreation (35 and under, alas, you guys) should no longer be a tax-deductible benefit. quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: Aynne88 Kittinsol!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you, you darling - I missed all of you, except for RealOne, and a couple of others, but then God told me that since I was the beneficiary of health insurance, I ought to come clean and come back to the boards to bring the good word, and tell all that Viagra for men over what the Lord deemed the normal age of procreation (35 and under, alas, you guys) should no longer be a tax-deductible benefit. So, all of you impotent bastards who can't get a hard-on because your dicks are flaccid, well... stick a stick down it. You guys... I'm sowwy... but it was always, and kind of, ever, either, come back as the Angel of Death, or stay away... you guys. And I can't ever shut up :-D. OOOOOOh and yess, shes back Love it love it love the snip tooLMAO

kittinSol -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 6:35:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic OOOOOOh and yess, shes back Love it love it love the snip tooLMAO I am only quoting God [8D] . Healthcare is a human right, not a privilege. LOVE YOU LUCY!!!

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 6:36:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol God told me that since I was the beneficiary of health insurance, I ought to come clean and come back to the boards to bring the good word, and tell all that Viagra for men over what the Lord deemed the normal age of procreation (35 and under, alas, you guys) should no longer be a tax-deductible benefit. So, all of you impotent bastards who can't get a hard-on because your dicks are flaccid, well... stick a stick down it. Tell the lord to go fuck a cherub. I don't procreate; I just do it for a hobby. quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol You guys... I'm sowwy... but it was always, and kind of, ever, either, come back as the Angel of Death, or stay away... you guys. And I can't ever shut up :-D. Cool! Does that mean you wear all black and stuff like that now?

flcouple2009 -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 6:36:37 PM)
"Perhaps the report’s most troubling finding is that the state relies on the honor system when determining who is eligible for free care — and does not review an applicant’s assets, or even require a Social Security number to verify income, citizenship or address, Sullivan said." It doesn't take genius to start finding the problems here.

kittinSol -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 6:40:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda Cool! Does that mean you wear all black and stuff like that now? Things have changed. I have made connections. Come to me, and see how much fun it is to tell God to go and fuck a Cherubim :-D .

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 6:45:41 PM)
Sounds scary as hell. I'll be right there.

Lucylastic -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 6:46:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 "Perhaps the report’s most troubling finding is that the state relies on the honor system when determining who is eligible for free care — and does not review an applicant’s assets, or even require a Social Security number to verify income, citizenship or address, Sullivan said." It doesn't take genius to start finding the problems here. Are there lawyers in the US who know how to write laws to eliminate that shit? Why arent they being used, this is poor, too damn poor to be amusing Seems to me thats where most of the issues are, not the poor people or the illegals but the dumbarse heavily paid lawyers, yet the poor suffer AGAIN

Hippiekinkster -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 6:50:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster Ditto! Hippie! Yep, still here, sweetie, and still as Progressive as ever. I have to carry the torch. I have the dumbest hardcore rightards on block, as it's pointless to engage them, and they have nothing to say I want to read. An old buddy of mine has a group "Politics und Current Events" at the place with the white type on a black background. I think you (and Panda, and Tweaky, and many others who can think clearly) would like it. Some excellent discussions. A couple posters, who lean towards Libertarianism, have gotten me thinking about a different way of viewing the Constitution. Notr saying they've convinced me, but my mind is open. See. that is the difference between the Progressives I've seen here and B.com and FL, and people like Sanity and heritic and Willbur. We are able to change our positions upon the acquisition of new information. With them, cognitive dissonance rules, and they reject other information out of hand as it conflicts with their dogma. They are truly slaves to their programming. They think they are free-thinkers, but cannot even see how they are just running a script. Anyway, glad to see you back. [sm=hippie.gif][sm=dancer.gif][sm=cheerleader.gif][sm=cheering.gif][sm=cute.gif]

maybemaybenot -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 7:40:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 "Perhaps the report’s most troubling finding is that the state relies on the honor system when determining who is eligible for free care — and does not review an applicant’s assets, or even require a Social Security number to verify income, citizenship or address, Sullivan said." It doesn't take genius to start finding the problems here. Are there lawyers in the US who know how to write laws to eliminate that shit? Why arent they being used, this is poor, too damn poor to be amusing Seems to me thats where most of the issues are, not the poor people or the illegals but the dumbarse heavily paid lawyers, yet the poor suffer AGAIN Despite my opposition to Public Healthcare, I do have the ability to look at things from both sides. You have absolutely no idea how bad healthcare in Massachusetts is and how Romneycare is killing us. If this " plan " we have is so flipping wonderful... why do we have the highest premiums in the US and the fastest rising healthcare costs ? People who aren't familiar with Romneycare think it's like univeral healthcare. It is not. Romneycare simply means you are mandated to have healthcare insurance, no matter what. You must purchase it. If that be thru work, so be it. If you fall into a category that makes you eligible for one of the state plans, you also pay for that, and they are not cheap for someone on a Disability check or a limited income. You must also pay your co pays to MDs and for your prescriptions, and the prescription plan is a tiered system, so you may be paying big bucks for your " free healthcare ". Something as simple as Lantus Insulin is a top tier medication. Romenycare was instituted to insure everyone has coverage, it did not address cost. Cost is not a part of Romneycare. Insurers can still charge as much as they want and increase as they want, and that's exactly what they are doing. Why not ? They have a nice little pool of fish who are forced to pay whatever they say or be fined by the State. As a result the costs just keep going up. The insurance companies are getting richer and richer and we are paying out the nose for crappy insurance. Over the last few weeks there has been quite a few scandels about BCBS of Mass. It is coming to light exactly how Romnneycare has done nothing but serve the insurance companies, not the people. Business are leaving this state in droves in part due to Romneycare, they cannot afford to keep their employess insured. mbmbn

WyldHrt -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 7:49:36 PM)
quote: I think I have heard this story before,the thing is in the version I heard,it was a welfare mother driving around in a pink convertible Cadillac.Do you think these stories are being authored by the same folks? Ideologically speaking of course. Umm... ask anyone who has been an EMT for any length of time and they can tell you that some people do use ambulances as a taxi service. We had a couple of 'frequent flyers' that called every 2-3 weeks. I don't know why you seem to find it so unbelievable that they would continue to do so under the MA plan, where the state pays for it.

maybemaybenot -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 7:50:00 PM)
Just as another example of how ridiculous Romneycare is : A married couple whom one spouse has been carrying both parties on their healthcare enters into a divorce or separtaion. The insuring spouse cannot drop the other partner and must continue to keep them covered, even if the other spouse refuses to pay their portion of the cost. No matter how long the divorce takes. That would be part of the divorce settlement to recoup your money. How would you like to be forced to insure a lying, cheating, abusive POS after you have tossed him or her out ? That's just one of the great things that Romneycare has done for us. mbmbn

maybemaybenot -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 7:55:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyldHrt quote: I think I have heard this story before,the thing is in the version I heard,it was a welfare mother driving around in a pink convertible Cadillac.Do you think these stories are being authored by the same folks? Ideologically speaking of course. Umm... ask anyone who has been an EMT for any length of time and they can tell you that some people do use ambulances as a taxi service. We had a couple of 'frequent flyers' that called every 2-3 weeks. I don't know why you seem to find it so unbelievable that they would continue to do so under the MA plan, where the state pays for it. WyldHrt: That is a huge bugaboo of mine, the abuse of ambulance services. Even prior to Romneycare. I worked at a long term care facility that was exactly 2 blocks from the hospital. The long term care facilty had their own van. 9 out of 10 times they called an ambulance for routine services, like a follow up appointment, a wound care visit etc. BAck then, about 8 years ago, a one way trip two blocks was a cost of $ 700 to the taxpayers and more if they needed oxygen or other skilled services. And we wonder why we are in the mess we are in... soo much of it has to do with waste. mbmbn

slvemike4u -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 8:10:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyldHrt quote: I think I have heard this story before,the thing is in the version I heard,it was a welfare mother driving around in a pink convertible Cadillac.Do you think these stories are being authored by the same folks? Ideologically speaking of course. Umm... ask anyone who has been an EMT for any length of time and they can tell you that some people do use ambulances as a taxi service. We had a couple of 'frequent flyers' that called every 2-3 weeks. I don't know why you seem to find it so unbelievable that they would continue to do so under the MA plan, where the state pays for it. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough...I did not mean to imply that I doubt that there are in fact some cases of welfare mothers driving cadillacs nor do I doubt that some abuse the system and do in fact use ambulance services as taxi's....What I should have stressed,and do firmly believe,is that for ideological reasons the frequency of these situations are blown out of proportion to the point where the gullible start swearing that this is the norm ....rather than the exception. In other words...not all,are even most welfare mothers drive caddy's....and I will bet most ambulance runs are legitimate. Now shall we strive to plug up the loopholes that allow some to take advantage of the system...of course we should,but while doing so we should be just as concerned that our "fixes" do not deny those that qualify and are truly needy from receiving those services that they need.

tazzygirl -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 8:20:54 PM)
quote: Despite my opposition to Public Healthcare, I do have the ability to look at things from both sides. You have absolutely no idea how bad healthcare in Massachusetts is and how Romneycare is killing us. If this " plan " we have is so flipping wonderful... why do we have the highest premiums in the US and the fastest rising healthcare costs ? Bottom line, said Dr. Marylou Buyse, president of the insurers’ trade group, the Massachusetts Association of Health Plans, is that the high cost of health insurance is not necessarily the insurer’s fault. “The increase [in Massachusetts premiums] is attributed to an increase in charges by physicians and hospitals,’’ Buyse said, referring to a 2008 state report that tracked the trend from 2002 to 2006. The Commonwealth Fund report concluded that a number of changes, including limits on insurance companies’ administrative costs and profits, as well as changes in the way doctors and hospitals are paid, could bring better-quality patient care and could reduce national costs by an average of 1 to 1.5 percentage points per year over the next decade. That translates to a savings of $2 trillion to $3 trillion nationally, the report said. http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/2009/08/22/bay_state_health_insurance_premiums_highest_in_country/?page=2

fmfclwu -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 8:35:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 "Perhaps the report’s most troubling finding is that the state relies on the honor system when determining who is eligible for free care — and does not review an applicant’s assets, or even require a Social Security number to verify income, citizenship or address, Sullivan said." It doesn't take genius to start finding the problems here. Are there lawyers in the US who know how to write laws to eliminate that shit? Why arent they being used, this is poor, too damn poor to be amusing Seems to me thats where most of the issues are, not the poor people or the illegals but the dumbarse heavily paid lawyers, yet the poor suffer AGAIN Despite my opposition to Public Healthcare, I do have the ability to look at things from both sides. You have absolutely no idea how bad healthcare in Massachusetts is and how Romneycare is killing us. If this " plan " we have is so flipping wonderful... why do we have the highest premiums in the US and the fastest rising healthcare costs ? We have the highest premiums because we insure the most people (over 97%) and have the highest standards of coverage in the nation. When you get more in services, of course you pay more. Our costs are NOT the fastest growing in the nation - in fact, the individual plan market, which you claimed was so unaffordable, has risen only 2% per year since implementation (Source). Scare stories about how the cost of the program keeps rising neglect to mention that these cost increases are offset by decreases in the Health Safety Net Fund, which reimburses hospitals for emergency care provided to the uninsured. And for anyone arguing that more government involvement always means higher costs, you really need to take your blinders off and look at the rest of the world sometime. Out of all the UN Countries, the U.S. spends a higher portion of its GDP on healthcare than any other nation except East Timor. Forget the developed world, we are SECOND TO LAST in the world at controlling health care costs. And if government involvement always meant higher costs, we would expect a positive correlation between the percentage of healthcare paid for by a government, and the overall cost. Turns out the correlation works the other way: [image]local://upfiles/603355/73C71E08DEC444F9835E973E4DA7FF01.jpg[/image]

popeye1250 -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 9:01:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 Howie Carr Show That makes it fucking gospel then doesn't it. FLCPL, you guys keep asking me for links or referances then, when I supply them its; "Oh that guy, he's a liar!" " that' doesn't count," or "he has no credibility." Do you want links or not? "Oh!!! The New York Times! You're ok Popeye!" I wouldn't insult your intelligence by linking the NYT. "Jason Blair said that,....." "Oh, good sourse Popeye!"

kittinSol -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 9:05:31 PM)
Gotta love fmfclwu for at least coming up with real numbers (one has to hope that one does the dirty job numbers for one, and that if one is wrong, that one will blame the unions), if not for a semblant of those. Or whatever. This country is done with the silly "those good for nuffin' are turnin' up for health care in limos" bullshit. We can afford tax cuts for (b)millionaires, but otherwise, this country is done sustaining those good for nuffink turnink up for free health care in limos on the back of nukular fewl bullshit!!!

Edwynn -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 9:10:23 PM)
FR Whatever of this increased cost, waste, etc. can be attributed to Romneycare or not, I can well assure that most other states are are now and have been experiencing rising medical costs and insurance rates and wastefulness and unnecessary procedures, etc. just fine without Romneycare, TVM. So yes, it actually could be considered a redundancy in that regard.

fmfclwu -> RE: "Free" Healthcare in Massachusetts (3/29/2011 9:11:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 I wouldn't insult your intelligence by linking the NYT. And yet you cite an unconfirmed anecdotal story from a random caller to a conservative talk radio show?

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