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RE: Insomnia - 4/5/2011 2:18:11 AM   
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I'm just trying to understand what you mean by "narcotics".


Oxycodone.  I'm a gimp, so I have it for when my pain levels are to the point that I can barely keep from screaming.  I have once or twice taken two of them and had a really good nights sleep.  A big glass of wine has worked pretty well for me from time to time too.  Never both at once though.
Ah, okay. I've been on oxycodone for a while and I take 140mg./day. Sometimes it makes me drowsy, sometimes not. Oddly sometimes while I'm a bit drowsy it also paradoxically energizes me. Several years ago, I was discussing it with a woman in a bar. She said, "It makes me want to clean house." Well, sometimes it has that effect on me too. The restoril does a good job; no next day hangover for me, but they are "break glass in case of emergency" meds; highly dependence-causing.

Do look into the Kava. I also have used recordings of rainstorms, streams, and waves on the beach. Can be hypnotic.


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RE: Insomnia - 4/5/2011 3:11:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I suffered terrible insomnia when I went through menopause. What helped me was establishing a bedtime relaxation ritual. Here's mine:

Put on some relaxing, soothing music. Then draw a hot bath with relaxing bath salts and make a hot cup of (decaf) chai tea with warm milk, (hopefully) followed by a massage. That relaxes the body. Then work on the mind by creating a "special relaxing place." Mine is an enclosed porch on a beach near the ocean (que relaxing sounds of waves here). I am lying back in  a giant wicker swing bed that is cushioned for maximum support and relaxation. The wind gently rocks the swing, lovely chimes tinkle in the breeze as I slowly relax every muscle in my body, starting in my face and moving down. I imagine my lover massaging me as I go through this relaxation ritual.

When you first start doing this mental relaxation, other thoughts might intrude. Just push them aside and go back to your special place and teach yourself how to relieve that tension in your body and mind. It does work over time.

I urge you to find the source of your insomnia: menopause, too much caffeine, sleep apnea should all be ruled out. Also, do not try to sleep with your computer on. The electronics let off a chemical that depletes your body of its natural melatonin. Turn it off well before bed time pls.

If melatonin capsules do not work, you could try valerian. Capsules though, the tea literally tastes like old smelly socks (but cats love it).

Establish a bed time schedule and stick to it. If it's time to go to sleep, turn off the light and go to sleep. You may not actually sleep but your body will rest, and some rest is better than none.

Do not overindulge in alcohol, caffeine, food, or nicotine in the 2-3 hours before bedtime.

My three cents worth of advice.












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RE: Insomnia - 4/5/2011 10:11:48 AM   
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I'm just trying to understand what you mean by "narcotics".


Oxycodone.  I'm a gimp, so I have it for when my pain levels are to the point that I can barely keep from screaming.  I have once or twice taken two of them and had a really good nights sleep.  A big glass of wine has worked pretty well for me from time to time too.  Never both at once though.
Ah, okay. I've been on oxycodone for a while and I take 140mg./day. Sometimes it makes me drowsy, sometimes not. Oddly sometimes while I'm a bit drowsy it also paradoxically energizes me. Several years ago, I was discussing it with a woman in a bar. She said, "It makes me want to clean house." Well, sometimes it has that effect on me too. The restoril does a good job; no next day hangover for me, but they are "break glass in case of emergency" meds; highly dependence-causing.

Do look into the Kava. I also have used recordings of rainstorms, streams, and waves on the beach. Can be hypnotic.



I have some big guns for painkilling and I can't take them past 5pm just for that reason...makes me totally wired and I go zooming around the house.

For insomnia, I take children's benadryl liquid. I can control the amount and am generally not groggy the next day.


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RE: Insomnia - 4/5/2011 11:07:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's so interesting how we all metabolize medications different.  Even really heavy duty pain meds barely take the edge off my daily pain, but they work pretty well as sleeping pills.  Sleeping pills do absolutely nothing for me.  Just a small dose of Benadryl and I'm climbing the walls.

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RE: Insomnia - 4/5/2011 12:18:53 PM   
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It's so interesting how we all metabolize medications different.  Even really heavy duty pain meds barely take the edge off my daily pain, but they work pretty well as sleeping pills.  Sleeping pills do absolutely nothing for me.  Just a small dose of Benadryl and I'm climbing the walls.


Caffeine sedates some people....kind of the way stimulants work on kids who have ADHD.

There is actually a phenomenon in which medication used to sedate some people (usually children) makes them paradoxically hyperactive... .

BTW, the reason why Nyquil works so well is that it contains the same antihistamine as Unisom: Doxylamine succinate 25mg.





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RE: Insomnia - 4/5/2011 12:20:18 PM   
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In regards to the OP, normally I sleep quite well, and since I am on amitriptylin due to fms it helps me to knock off even better...though sometimes, yep, sometimes I am not patiened enough until it works and take a double or trible dosis...also reading does help...

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RE: Insomnia - 4/5/2011 12:21:00 PM   
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BTW, the reason why Nyquil works so well is that it contains the same antihistamine as Unisom: Doxylamine succinate 25mg.



Interesting, I always thought it was the alcohol content.

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RE: Insomnia - 4/5/2011 12:25:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Would one tablespoon of scotch really have that huge effect on an adult? Because effectively, that's how much alcohol is in it.

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RE: Insomnia - 4/5/2011 12:39:52 PM   
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RE: Insomnia - 4/5/2011 12:43:10 PM   
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While booze will make you sleepy, it will actually lessen the quality of sleep.

I empathize with all the insomniacs. I've never had the problem. All I can do to help, is describe my successful habits.

Obviously I eat healthy and get plenty of exercise and fresh air. No soda, no caffeine after lunch. Very limited sugar. No chocolate in the evening. Always always ALWAYS, eat a very light dinner. I slow down on the water consumption in the evening. I take Black Cohosh in the morning with my multi vitamin. Calcium and Evening Primrose oil before bed.

I do yoga in the evenings. Warm shower or bath before bed.

I keep my bedroom very cool, nearly cold. I have a high quality mattress and bedding. In my bedroom the only electronics are a ceiling fan, clock and two lamps. Everything about the room is geared towards restfulness and relaxation. Even the wall colour. It's always quiet and dark when I want to sleep.

I have always made getting a good night's sleep a top priority.......so far it's working.


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RE: Insomnia - 4/5/2011 2:49:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've found that a Zinc and Magnesium supplement works very well.
Usually you can find it as ZMA.
Most ZMA supplements will contain around 15 - 20mg of Vitamin B6, 450 - 500mg of Magnesium and 30 - 35mg of Zinc.
It usually goes unnoticed that we deplete these sources on a daily basis, and a multi vitamin should help as well...but ZMA is a before bed supplement and even may contain some of the placebo effect required for rest.
Either way, I've found it to be quite helpful and thought I'd share.
The only noticeable side effects are better sleep and lucid dreams (nothing crazy, but I know the difference between taking it and not..again could be placebo).
Every body is different so yours may have no reaction.
Best of luck and good sleep to you.

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RE: Insomnia - 4/5/2011 3:47:21 PM   
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What works for you when you have difficulty falling asleep?


Greetings,

i don't use over the counter remedies and avoid those prescribed by a physician, although i have the latter in my possession. When i'm restless and unable to sleep i simply have an orgasm and that does the trick every time. i wake refreshed and ready to tackle the day without the sluggish after affects of medication.

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RE: Insomnia - 4/5/2011 4:20:23 PM   
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What works for you when you have difficulty falling asleep?


Greetings,

i don't use over the counter remedies and avoid those prescribed by a physician, although i have the latter in my possession. When i'm restless and unable to sleep i simply have an orgasm and that does the trick every time. i wake refreshed and ready to tackle the day without the sluggish after affects of medication.

Namaste,

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Well, in my case I got mine to numbn my nerves to be able to sleep pain free and my body not turning stiff all the time, there the knocking off effect is only a side effect...though a good one

but yes I know that sluggish after effect, when I started to take those meds I had a few mornings where I had to keep fighting mentally against that effect and had to keep reminding myself to keep walking (to work) and not to give in to that effect to go back to sleep...but by now, 2.5 years later that sluggish after effect isn't really there anymore...or rarely...

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RE: Insomnia - 4/5/2011 4:52:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sleep?  What's sleep?  I've gone days with none, then days when I do nothing but sleep.  I don't have a middle ground.  I take sleeping pills/anti-depressants, they don't work all that well. 

I used to be able to read myself to sleep, no more of that.  If I'm not awake til 3:30 to 4:30 or I'm waking up at that time.  Either way, I'm always tired.  And if I have to make a long-distance trip then a small bottle of energy drink or I'm falling asleep at the wheel. 


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RE: Insomnia - 4/5/2011 5:59:16 PM   
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While booze will make you sleepy, it will actually lessen the quality of sleep.

I empathize with all the insomniacs. I've never had the problem. All I can do to help, is describe my successful habits.

Obviously I eat healthy and get plenty of exercise and fresh air. No soda, no caffeine after lunch. Very limited sugar. No chocolate in the evening. Always always ALWAYS, eat a very light dinner. I slow down on the water consumption in the evening. I take Black Cohosh in the morning with my multi vitamin. Calcium and Evening Primrose oil before bed.

I do yoga in the evenings. Warm shower or bath before bed.

I keep my bedroom very cool, nearly cold. I have a high quality mattress and bedding. In my bedroom the only electronics are a ceiling fan, clock and two lamps. Everything about the room is geared towards restfulness and relaxation. Even the wall colour. It's always quiet and dark when I want to sleep.

I have always made getting a good night's sleep a top priority.......so far it's working.




All a lovely recipe for great sleep, ty LaT !!


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RE: Insomnia - 4/6/2011 8:20:40 PM   
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Like some others here I've been a lifelong insomniac, though not continuously through all ages.

It eventually got pretty bad, enough to cause sleeping through an alarm clock on occasion, where prior to that even several days of no sleep would not prevent me from awakening with minimal noise. I'd already tried the usual over-the-counter  things years ago and figured out soon enough that aside from not liking next day effects, those  were for temporary episodes anyway, far from my own situation. When after many years of that it started negatively affecting work I went to the MDs and they did the usual; same approach as OTC but stronger and supposedly safe to take continuously. No matter, my body just adjusted after 2 months or so and now I had 2-3 days no sleep and the medicine grogginess along with. End of that, so I just had to be extra careful about doing whatever it took to make sure I woke up when finally getting to sleep after 3-5 days but having to be up and off to work in 2 1/2 hours.


I think the problem sometimes can be that long term insomniacs keep treating the immediate symptom, and I of course went all over the net looking for solutions addressing sleep only. Eventually I was looking to address other issues too and came across several items dealing with those. So then deciding to try out something for what I thought was another issue I came across  5-HTP (5-Hydroxy Tryptophan) which is what the amino acid tryptophan converts to and is a precursor to serotonin. For the year and a half since taking it I've only had no-sleep nights every once in awhile as opposed to at least twice a week, and only two episodes of 2 day/nights w/ no sleep, as opposed to at least two 2-4 day episodes per month (sometimes 1-2 days 'normal' sleep then 3-4 days no-sleep, then 1 day sleep, etc.).

I still don't often get to sleep all that easy, but it's a huge improvement knowing that it will happen eventually. I had gotten used to the stretches of no sleep and accepted it and adjusted, etc., but after more than 20 yrs. of it I got just plain tired of never being able to relax, and every time it got to the second night of failing to get to sleep I'd say "OK, what this time; 3 days? 5 days?" It became intolerably annoying. Suffice it to say that I eventually got un-used to it. But since taking the 5-HTP I actually get at least three nights of six or more hours sleep most weeks, sometimes even five or six days. 


I'll take it.





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RE: Insomnia - 4/6/2011 9:16:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I won't just lie there. If I'm not getting to sleep, I get up for a while, maybe have a small bowl of cereal in front of some mindless tv, fold a load of laundry, then try again.

I have a breathing and visualization technique that works very well, when I just feel too energetic to sleep (not masturbation, but that's another tool in the box ), but it is useless when my mind is racing.

If it is a pressing crisis troubling me, it's useless stare at the ceiling and try to think of a solution. Instead, I look at the absolute worst case outcome, and imagine coping with it. That method actually works pretty well for me.

Medicine cabinetwise, marijuana is sometimes good (and legal here in CA), a drink can help, but getting shitfaced doesn't. I've discovered that the Advil Migraine gels knock me out solidly for an hour, but haven't tested them as an insomnia remedy. The little yellow muscle relaxers from a back thing also put me out nicely. When I've taken opiates for pain issues, I've found they just put me into a semi-pleasant fog, instead of putting me to sleep.



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RE: Insomnia - 4/6/2011 9:59:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I received the official diagnosis today, I suffer from sleep apnea.  20-30 episodes an hour.  I've already got my C-Pap machine, and the Hannibal Lecter mask to go with it.  In the booklet they handed me it says you shouldn't take sleeping pills they can worsen the apnea.  But I need the sleeping pills or I don't get any sleep, when I get any.  So it's between a rock and a hard place between the apnea and the sleep meds which are also an anti-depressant that I need.  Yay for me.

First try tonight, see how it goes.  I've known for quite a while that I had the apnea, had to wait for the official unofficial answer from the specialist.  In another month, I go back for another sleep test.  Looking forward to that too. NOT. 


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