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Wish someone would just build a Z.P.M. and get it over with!

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If this is anything like what I think, what is it using ? It would be using the electrical charge between the Earth and it's atmosphere. Maybe there would be no more thunder and lighning ?

And not to forget, the best money is in selling waste products. Gasoline is a perfect example.

T^T

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just like a torpedo cannot travel in a vacuum neither can light travel without some medium to ride upon.

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just like a torpedo cannot travel in a vacuum neither can light travel without some medium to ride upon.

Who taught you physics? Give them a slap.

-n

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just like a torpedo cannot travel in a vacuum neither can light travel without some medium to ride upon.

Who taught you physics? Given them a slap.

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just like a torpedo cannot travel in a vacuum neither can light travel without some medium to ride upon.

Who taught you physics? Given them a slap.

It sure is awfully bright outside at the moment, considering that it's physically impossible for the light from the sun to reach our planet.

what I said was very specific.  energy cannot travel in a complete void or in nothingness any more than a torpedo can travel in a vacuum.

Real One.... why are we even having this discussion? Didn't you tell us all a year or two ago that you'd invented a process for cold fusion? Or am I remembering that wrong?

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I don't need data to disprove what you said, all I need is common sense.

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It sure is awfully bright outside at the moment, considering that it's physically impossible for the light from the sun to reach our planet.

Real One.... why are we even having this discussion? Didn't you tell us all a year or two ago that you'd invented a process for cold fusion? Or am I remembering that wrong?

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Got to call you on that RealO.

Anything propelled by the force of expulsion will travel just fine in a vacuum. The only problem is the O2 for the fuel must be there, as it will not come from the air.

yeh in a vacuum I agree but matter in what I will call antimatter (zone) or absence of matter zone with the understanding that matter and energy are the same I cannot imagine any way that could work.

To think that light needs a medium in which to travel is pure conjecture because we are not aware of that medium. The vacuum of space cannot be considered a medium at this time.

Space it not under a pure vacuum, but that is not what I was referring to.

Think of it like sound, it works nearly exactly the same way.

If you put a speaker in a vacuum there is nothing to hear. 

How can a wave be set up without a medium to set it up in?

People can be brilliant and be drawn to the wrong conclusions, as such I don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. For example I don't believe that these "waves" would exceed C, and at the same time I think C can be exceeded. I think Einstein was wrong about that, but that doesn't make everything else he said worthless, by any means.

yeh nutrinos and certain variatins of light can also exceed C.

It's good to think outside the box, just make sure you don't end up in another box.

T^T

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Teslas power generator/transmitter however is proven technology both then and today.

Kids can make them and get them to work,

Professor Meyl the German physicist set them up in his labs in Germany in glauskow and several other universities that he teaches at with efficiencies from 300 - 1000% over input tested by the students.

Even if we discount windmills and solar, a couple nuke reactors after running it through teslas power multiplier could supply a whole nation the size of the US with power and wireless no less!

We could stick a 2.5 foot tall antenna in the ground and get internet television and at the same time the power for the laptop, or car, house whatever anywhere! 

Oh bullshit.  Everyone would've done it already.  But that's not as sexy as saying the big corporations are suppressing all this arcane knowledge.

Do you have a source for Professor Myl?

I thought no one would ever ask!

hows your german? 

more goodies!

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Documents own publications: The missing numbers are in the german paper list. Look at www.k-meyl.de / Primärliteratur

[38] K. Meyl: Scalar Waves: Theory and Experiments, Journal of Scientific Exploration, Vol. 15, No.2, June 2001, ISSN 0892-3310, pp.199-205 http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Research/ScalarWaves.PDF

[40] K. Meyl: Advanced Conzepts for Wireless Energy Transfer, High efficient Power Engineering with Scalar Waves, International Congress-Publications, Weinfelden, 23.+24.06.2001, Jupiter-Verlag, Page 41-49 and: http://www.guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/conference/Weinfelden/

[55] K. Meyl: Faraday vs. Maxwell, Nikola Tesla Energy Science Conference, Washington DC 08.11.2003, IRI
http://www.bt-chat.com/?mode=details&info_hash=1794f51752f33e03085b88f38aefa4041323bf77

[58] K. Meyl: Scalar wave technology, 2003, documentation and manual to the demonstration-kit and to the experimental-kit, INDEL Verlagsabteilung Villingen-Schwenningen (English Edition).
Description: http://www.tfcbooks.com/mall/more/611swt.htm

[60] K. Meyl: Scalar Waves, From an extended vortex and field theory to a technical, biological and historical use of longitudinal waves. Edition belonging to the lecture and seminar „Electromagnetic Environmental Compatibility“,INDEL Verlagsabteilung Villingen-Schwenningen, 1st Edition 2003, ISBN 3-9802 542-4-0.
Description: http://www.tfcbooks.com/mall/more/610sw.htm 2004 Kinokuniya Company, LTD

[70] K. Meyl: Neutrinolysis, the alternative splitting of water, the natural source of energy, Fuel Cell Departement, invited by the Argonne National Laboratory, July 26th 2004 [71] K. Meyl: Neutrino Power and the Existence of Scalar waves, 2004 Extra Ordinary Technology Conference, Salt Lake City, UT July 29-Aug.1, Conference Program, page 7
Report: http://www.pureenergysystems.com/events/conferences/2004/teslatech_SLC/index.html

[80] K. Meyl: Reproduction of the Scalar Wave Effects of Tesla’s Wardenclyffe Tower, Intern. Scientific and prof. Meeting June 28, 2006 Zagreb, Croatia, IEEE+Croatian Academy of Engineering, Zbornik Radova Proceedings, page 95,
conference programm: http://www.hatz.hr/TESLA/root_files/programme_enu.html

[81] K. Meyl: Wireless Tesla Transponder Field-physical basis for electrically coupled bidirectional far range transponders according to the invention of Nikola Tesla, SoftCOM 2006, 14th intern. Conference, 29.09.2006, IEEE and Univ. Split, Faculty of Electrical Engineering, ISBN 953-6114-89-5, page 67-78

[87] K. Meyl: Far Range Transponder, Field-physical basis for electrically coupled bidirectional far range transponders, Proceedings of the 1st RFID Eurasia Conference Istanbul 2007, ISBN 978-975-01566-0-1, IEEE Catalog Number: 07EX1725, page 78-89  about Meyl:

The missing numbers are in the german paper list. Look at www.k-meyl.de / Sekundärliteratur

[71] A. Schneider: Introduction of the author Prof. Dr. K. Meyl: Advanced Concepts for Wireless Energy Transfer, International Congress-Publications, Weinfelden, 23.+24.6.2001, Jupiter-Verlag, page 23-24

[93] English Description about K. Meyl: Scalar Waves, From an extended vortex and field theory to a technical, biological and historical use of longitudinal waves, INDEL Verlagsabteilung Villingen-Schwenningen, 1st Ed. 2003, ISBN 3-9802 542-4-0  http://www.tfcbooks.com/mall/more/610sw.htm

[94] Japan description about the book of K. Meyl: Scalar Waves, From an extended vortex and field theory to a technical, biological and historical use of longitudinal waves, INDEL Verlagsabteilung Villingen-Schwenningen, 1st Ed. 2003, ISBN 3-9802 542-4-0. 2004 Kinokuniya Company, LTD

[95] Nederlandse bouwprojekten:
http://www.nulpuntenergie.net/projecten/bouwprojektenNOG.htm

[102] Dr. Valone, Integrity Research Institute: Nikola Tesla Energy Science Conference, Washington DC November 8th.+9th.2003, Conference publications, speakers biographies and abstracts

[115] Dr. K. Lenger: Homeopathic Potencies Identified by a new Magnetic Resonance Method (with tesla coils of Meyl’s experimental-Kit), Subtle Energies and Energy Medicine Journal, Volume 15, Number 3, 2004
http://www.issseem.org/
and http://www.hpathy.com/research/Lenger-homeopathic-potencies.asp

[126] D. S. Alexander (NASA): Advanced Energetics for Aeronautical Applications, Vol.II, 3.1.3 Scalar waves, p.42 and 3.4.3 Dr. Konstantin Meyl’s Teachings on Scalar Waves, p. 57-62, NASA/CR-2005-213749, April 2005

[127] M. Schreurs, R. Ross: Scalar waves for wireless or single wire energy transmission, KEMA Power, Arnhem, Nederland, 7.July 2005

[174] Esa Ruoho (Finland): Dr. Konstantin Meyl: Transmission of Power without Wires (Scalar Waves), submitted April 6, 2007
http://merlib.org/node/4755

they dont really suppress, they just omit.

you will not find anything significant about tesla in the books here in america even though he is the one who invented the polyphase electrical system that powers the whole country!

Why?

You will find that he was holding flourescent bulbs in his hands in the late 1800s lit up and ge claims patents for them 10 years after his death.

Why?

You will find schools still teach that Marconi is till credited with radio when the supreme court ruled it was Tesla.

Why?

That is omission that I would definitely classify suppression.

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It's light Jim but not as we know it.

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"Think of it like sound, it works nearly exactly the same way.

If you put a speaker in a vacuum there is nothing to hear. 

How can a wave be set up without a medium to set it up in? "
 
That is either conjecture or a contradiction. An old theory that hasn't really been proven wrong, but it goes back to the assertion that in the universe there is an "ether".

Sure like a bowl of soup.  like I said earlier we really cant have a void in space without some kind of label like antimatter put on that area so yeh ether works.

The properties of light indicate that matter and energy are the same, both energy just aligned differently. It acts as both a particle and a wave.

Sound is completely mechanical in nature,

Electricity and electromotive energy force et al is all mechanical too.

it has no properties that would indicate that it is matter.

No but the resultant sound is realized from the movement of the matter that is set into motion just like the resultant light is realized when it bounces off an object.

you cant see light traveling through space for instance until it hits something.

It is only the movement of matter.

Electricity is matter.

Light and sound also have one property that is opposite the other, speed. Light travels more slowly through a denser medium, while sound is completely the opposite. However that isn't even completely true because the speed of sound is fastest through a diamond, but the speed of light is not the slowest.

Also, how would one measure the speed of something faster than light ?

watch this clip:

You guys need to watch these video clips.....Meyl demonstrates how to measure the speed at mark 12 to mark 13.5.

He also shows that you cannot shield the tesla scalar wave not even in a faraday cage but you can easily shield the hertzian TEM wave so you can send a tesla radio wave direct to the kremlin through the center of the earth no need for satellites and all the bullshit we use now days.  no "can you hear me now crap" (any wonder they hid this stuff and boo anyone who brings it up?  and you do not need a tower to do radio transmission either.

If you want to see them take a very low power "scalar" signal and go right through rocks that your am/fm/or cell phone would not be able to do under the same power levels and condictions just go to the 55 mark and you can see the actual tests and how to do it.

This stuff is really cheap to build go to the 55 mark.


Doppler effect notwithstanding, because the red and blue shift proves that the "speed limit" can be proken, because of relativity.

Not sure how you are applying doppler to this?

The light is moving at a certain speed from it's point of origin, but there is no constant that cannot be exceeded in this "ether" or whatever it might be termed at the moment.

well that is a constant for one particular flavor of EMF.  TEM AND LEM have different components.  You can have them both in the same wave at the same time.

Also, Tesla's idea about the propogation has not been full explained.

Not sure what aspect you are driving at?

If  demonstration actually happened, how far can one go and still recieve via the antenna ? To think that this would be worldwide is not logical. So try an experiment. Forget the big collector and just use conventional power. I will design the transmitter to put out any frequency you choose into any impedance you choose. Get those antennae up and running. We're talking what, 7 or 8 Hz ? Believe it or not it can be done in class D with a switching PS and a four quadrant triac. I was thinking of building some audio amps with that technology but the sample rate would be too high. Perhaps for a subwoofer......

But even 30 or 40 Hz would be no problem. I don't even need my yet unpatented one device circuit for this, I can get some seriously powerful switching transistors if nothing else. The theory of transmission should be provable in the back yard, it shouldn't require a gillion buck grant for research. I could get most of the components surplus.

Collecting the power is someone else's problem. I have seen power trnsmission without wires, we all have. In a CRT monitor, there is no wire from the cathode to the screen. Go stand near a powerful radio station's antenna with a flourescent light, it will light up with no wires. However this is not this low frequency. Radio acts like light in many ways, and is considered part of the EM spectrum. If this is radio, it simply won't work unless there is some form of medium of which we are unaware.

I wonder what happened to Icarys with his machine. I really hope he succeeds, and I think the theory is sound, but the problem is implementation. Things are rarely as simple as they seem. Two competing new technologies ? But the over 100% apparent efficiency generator is also old technology. What moves the needle of a compass ?

T^T