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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/17/2011 2:52:03 PM

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"my nephrologist wants me to add salt to my food."

He is after the sodium then. In that case I suggest salt that does not have the anti clumping agent. Perhaps Kosher salt. You probably don't need that $30 a pound stuff, but at least try to get pure salt.

"...Chromium and from my research it would not be a good suppliment for me, due to it's potential for toxicity on the kidneys in people with pre existing kidney disease."

There is always a danger with supplements. It is much better to eat well. Consider leaning toward foods that have those minerals in them naturally. Although note that it does say "depends on the soil in which it is grown". This is not the first time I've read something to that effect.

That quote was a very small part of the whole thing. The broccoli issue for example, if you read the whole thing it seems to indicate that people with thyroid problems should avoid too much broccoli, but that is my conclusion. The offer is still open if you want the whole thing. Good reading if nothing else, and there seems to be little in the way of the type of information it presents anymore. I think there's a very good reason for that, but that's as political as I'll get right now. That information did not come from the US. So when it mentions RDA, it is not necessarily the US RDA. If you read it, draw your own conclusions. It's not hard given how it is written. If I reread it I could probably find something about chromium and kidney function, if I were to focus on that.

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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/17/2011 4:08:11 PM

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about the breakfast thing....

if you need something to grab 'n go, hardboiled eggs and a couple of crackers or cheese and some crackers

then there's "leftover" chicken.

I'm not fond of most traditional breakfast foods.

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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/17/2011 7:21:16 PM

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Hi. I can feel for your frustration. I've been diabetic for almost 4 years. They certainly don't seem to be living in the real world do they? The meal plans are not tailored to the individual in any way, and when they tell you "just skip that bit" it makes you wonder what the whole point of it is.

When I objected to the whole meal plan as obviously dumb and carb counting as too much work, they gave me a little chart instead. I measure my blood sugar before each meal (only 3 finger pricks a day) and take the appropriate amount of fast-acting insulin based on the blood sugar reading, and eat a normal balanced meal without worrying about how many grams of what I am eating. If I am going to have a piece of pie or cake or some other sweet, I just add a unit or two of insulin. In addition I take a predetermined dose (33 units) of slow-acting insulin before bed.

Maybe you should ask your endocrinologist if a plan like this would be appropriate for you.

I also have a problem eating breakfast. I just have no appetite in the mornings. The way I've gotten around it is to take an extra unit of insulin and eat a bowl of fruit loops for breakfast. I really enjoy the taste and now find that I look forward to my morning bowl. Maybe making breakfast a treat would help you get into the habit of eating it.

I don't understand what your blood glucose numbers mean, we use a different scale here in Canada (normal is in the 4-7 range). To me 141 & 138 means dead

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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/18/2011 2:53:31 AM

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take an extra unit of insulin and eat a bowl of fruit loops for breakfast

Fruit Loops???

I won't feed my CATS pet foods that contain the carcinogen BHT, let alone all that other crap that's in Froot Loops.

Ingredients

SUGAR; WHOLE GRAIN CORN FLOUR; WHEAT FLOUR; WHOLE GRAIN OAT FLOUR; OAT FIBER; SOLUBLE CORN FIBER; PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED VEGETABLE OIL (ONE OR MORE OF: COCONUT, SOYBEAN AND/OR COTTONSEED OILS)†; SALT; SODIUM ASCORBATE AND ASCORBIC ACID (VITAMIN C); NIACINAMIDE; REDUCED IRON; NATURAL ORANGE, LEMON, CHERRY, RASPBERRY, BLUEBERRY, LIME AND OTHER NATURAL FLAVORS; RED #40; BLUE #2; TURMERIC COLOR; YELLOW #6; ZINC OXIDE; ANNATTO COLOR; BLUE #1; PYRIDOXINE HYDROCHLORIDE (VITAMIN B6); RIBOFLAVIN (VITAMIN B2); THIAMIN HYDROCHLORIDE (VITAMIN B1); VITAMIN A PALMITATE; BHT (PRESERVATIVE); FOLIC ACID; VITAMIN D; VITAMIN B12.
† LESS THAN 0.5g TRANS FAT PER SERVING.
Allergens

CONTAINS WHEAT INGREDIENTS. CORN USED IN THIS PRODUCT CONTAINS TRACES OF SOYBEANS.

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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/18/2011 7:15:03 AM

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When I got sick in 1999, Carolyn Myss's books were a big help to me, especially "Why People Don't Heal and How They Can" and "Anatomy of the Spirit: The Seven Stages of Power and Healing."

I have not read either of those books, but will check them out next time I am at B&N.

The book I have used as my health " bible " is : The Creation of Wellness: The Emotional, Psychological and Spiritual Responses that Promote Health and Healing.

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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/18/2011 7:30:18 AM

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HLH:

I am a Type 2 diabetic, so I don't take insulin, and at this point I don't need to take oral meds. Diet and excercise is the treatment plan.

Here in the US a normal BS is 80-130 according to the American Diabetes Assoc., which co incides with your normal levels in Canada. We measure in : mg/dl, and you measure in: mmol/l.

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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/18/2011 8:12:11 AM

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Recent studies have shown that gastric bypass surgery is successful to type 2 diabetics mainly due to the redirection of the intestines, not the weight loss. Factually, a significant number of patients expeienced IMMEDIATE drops in blood sugar, which obviously discounts the weight loss fromgastric bypass being the reason. The redirection directly effects the way food is absorbed. I post from my phone but I'm sure you are capable of searching the information.

My point was and is that always assuming weight is the main cause of diabetes is ridiculous. As I mentioned, I know several morbidly obese people without diabetes. The OP is 15 pounds overweight by her statement which is not significant. In my opinion saying that extra 15 pounds is the reason is silly.

Maybmaybenot:

I'm glad you are finding an eating regimen that works for you. I found the idea of scheduling my meals and snacks to not fit in with my lifestyle either. These days I try to make sure I have breakfast and lunch and when I go out I always carry 3 things with me; water, some kind of snack, and candy that isn't chocolate (just in case).

You can see by the numbers, you are going in the right direction.

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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/18/2011 8:31:16 AM

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take an extra unit of insulin and eat a bowl of fruit loops for breakfast

Fruit Loops???

I won't feed my CATS pet foods that contain the carcinogen BHT, let alone all that other crap that's in Froot Loops.

Ingredients

SUGAR; WHOLE GRAIN CORN FLOUR; WHEAT FLOUR; WHOLE GRAIN OAT FLOUR; OAT FIBER; SOLUBLE CORN FIBER; PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED VEGETABLE OIL (ONE OR MORE OF: COCONUT, SOYBEAN AND/OR COTTONSEED OILS)†; SALT; SODIUM ASCORBATE AND ASCORBIC ACID (VITAMIN C); NIACINAMIDE; REDUCED IRON; NATURAL ORANGE, LEMON, CHERRY, RASPBERRY, BLUEBERRY, LIME AND OTHER NATURAL FLAVORS; RED #40; BLUE #2; TURMERIC COLOR; YELLOW #6; ZINC OXIDE; ANNATTO COLOR; BLUE #1; PYRIDOXINE HYDROCHLORIDE (VITAMIN B6); RIBOFLAVIN (VITAMIN B2); THIAMIN HYDROCHLORIDE (VITAMIN B1); VITAMIN A PALMITATE; BHT (PRESERVATIVE); FOLIC ACID; VITAMIN D; VITAMIN B12.
† LESS THAN 0.5g TRANS FAT PER SERVING.
Allergens

CONTAINS WHEAT INGREDIENTS. CORN USED IN THIS PRODUCT CONTAINS TRACES OF SOYBEANS.

One man's poison is another's... :

"BHT is marketed as a health food supplement in capsule form. It has been reported to have anti-viral effects, particularly in use against herpes family viruses and in combination with L-lysine and vitamin C.[9][10][11][12][13][14][15] This latter use has made it into some of the more popular literature.[16][17]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butylated_hydroxytoluene

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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/18/2011 9:48:59 AM

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I am a Type 2 diabetic, so I don't take insulin, and at this point I don't need to take oral meds. Diet and excercise is the treatment plan.

OK. I've never really been clear on the difference between the types, I just assumed....and you know what they say about assuming eh?

In any case, best of luck to you, and find a nutritionist/dietitian who you like. One who isn't a twit "Broccoli isn't a veggie"

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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/18/2011 11:19:16 AM

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Maybemayb..,, you have mail. For whatever reason my Cmail is shooting blanks. It's from a gmail account with a ZIP file attached. Try to keep it out of the trash.

I never know when this thing is going to work right or not. And, I don't hear others complaining about it so I don't even know if it is on my end. But you have mail.

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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/18/2011 11:42:12 AM

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Heather -very briefly, a Type 1 has an underactive pancreas. The only solution is to take insulin. A Type 2 has a fine pancreas producing insulin, but the cells don't uptake the sugar properly. That can be fixed with exercise, diet, and medications. Both have the same effect of excess sugar in the blood and too little sugar in cells.

Generally, Type 1 begins early in life and Type 2 shows up later.

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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/18/2011 12:33:31 PM

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Holy crap there's a lot of us!! Type 1 since last August (it doesn't always start early in life DarkOne

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And that bit about the broccoli....I'd have called her an ill-educated twat and walked out right then and there.

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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/18/2011 3:25:06 PM

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Context!

The preceding paragraph:

Controversy

In the 1970s, Benjamin Feingold, a San Francisco MD who established the Feingold Diet, claimed that BHT could produce hyperactivity in some children. In addition, some controversy surrounds the link of BHT to cancer risk,[5] some studies showing the potential to increase and some showing a decrease in risk.[6][7][8] Some food industries have voluntarily eliminated this additive from their products, and since the 1970s it has been steadily replaced with the less studied BHA.

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One man's poison is another's... : "BHT is marketed as a health food supplement in capsule form. It has been reported to have anti-viral effects, particularly in use against herpes family viruses and in combination with L-lysine and vitamin C.[9][10][11][12][13][14][15] This latter use has made it into some of the more popular literature.[16][17]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butylated_hydroxytoluene

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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/18/2011 3:56:48 PM

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Context!

The preceding paragraph:

Controversy

In the 1970s, Benjamin Feingold, a San Francisco MD who established the Feingold Diet, claimed that BHT could produce hyperactivity in some children. In addition, some controversy surrounds the link of BHT to cancer risk,[5] some studies showing the potential to increase and some showing a decrease in risk.[6][7][8] Some food industries have voluntarily eliminated this additive from their products, and since the 1970s it has been steadily replaced with the less studied BHA.

quote:

One man's poison is another's... : "BHT is marketed as a health food supplement in capsule form. It has been reported to have anti-viral effects, particularly in use against herpes family viruses and in combination with L-lysine and vitamin C.[9][10][11][12][13][14][15] This latter use has made it into some of the more popular literature.[16][17]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butylated_hydroxytoluene

Yes, I did read the context: some studies show a decreased risk, while others show an increased one.
I did post the link.

That does not change that some people purchase it in health food stores as an antiviral supplement...or my point which took into account the conflicting information and that you seemed to miss.

It is your personal choice based upon your understanding of the available research that puts BHT in a black box for you.

It is a likewise valid personal choice for someone who is struggling with eating in the mornings to eat fruit loops.

My breakfast preference does not generally include sweetened cereals but I have some in my cupboards for guests who prefer them.

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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/18/2011 5:31:41 PM

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http://www.naturalnews.com/027077_food_marketing_Tufts_University.html

(NaturalNews) The big food companies have dreamed up yet another clever con to sell processed junk foods to parents and children: A "Smart Choices" label that implies the food product is a smart choice for health and nutrition. The problem is that the standards for qualifying for this designation were set by the food companies themselves, and processed junk foods like Froot Loops (a sugary breakfast cereal) qualify.

Froot Loops is 41 percent processed white sugar. It also contains processed flour and partially-hydrogenated vegetable oil. But that's not all you'll find in the box: Froot Loops is also made with synthetic coloring chemicals, including Red #40, Blue #2, Yellow #6 and Blue #1. The No. 1 ingredient of Froot Loops is sugar, and each serving contains 12 grams of sugar.

So how, exactly, did Froot Loops qualify for the "Smart Choices" label?

I'll tell you how: Because the Smart Choices label is a marketing fraud. It's a manipulative, dishonest food package labeling system that is intentionally designed by the processed food companies to mislead and misinform consumers into buying processed food products, in my view.

You'd have to be deeply misinformed about nutritional basics to think that a processed breakfast cereal made of 41% sugar, partially-hydrogenated oils and artificial coloring chemicals is a "smart choice" for any child. A more appropriate label might be "Diabetes Choices" or "Obesity Choices", but certainly not "Smart Choices."

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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/18/2011 6:07:35 PM

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"Diabetes choices" Really? After making such a hulabaloo about "right" foods, are you seriously implying that diabetes can be caused by too much sugar? By the way, the answer is a resounding NO.

Neither are any foods, on their own causes of obesity. While each person is certainly entitled to their own food choices, i.e. Vegetarian, atkins, the zone, all organic, etc. all things in moderation are fine. I would even go so far as to say it is highly possible to eaat a bowl of fruit loops every day of their life and still be healthy and not obese.

In any case, this thread is about DIABETES, not your personal battles about the marketing of processed foods.

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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/18/2011 9:52:57 PM

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""Diabetes choices" Really? After making such a hulabaloo about "right" foods, are you seriously implying that diabetes can be caused by too much sugar? By the way, the answer is a resounding NO."

I disagree. That is I disagree with this no matter who said it and how many letters might be after their name. Sugar and starches crank up the metabolism making it waste precious minerals and whatever nutrients. That means that I assert that it may be responsible for an entire host of conditions, which they mislabel as diseases, which in my "book" would be maladies caused by an infection.

If I'm wrong so what, all I propose is to feed the body what it needs. Try to run a car without oil or antifreeze. The carbs and shit might be some form of "fuel", but there is maintainence.

There is a problem with proving or disproving this. Those nutrients belong in the bones and organs, which is where they do their work. They are therefore very difficult to measure in a blood workup for example. In other words, want to know if you have enough calcium ? Just grind off a sample of one of your bones and they can tell quite easily. Want to know if you absorb enough chomium and vanadium, cut that pancreas out and send it to the lab. Worried about your sulfur ? Rip out the gall bladder and have it tested. It's obvious that it is not as easy as it seems. All we can go by is the symptoms.

And things have gotten crazy. You've seen nonfat milk right ? Well there is more nutrition in a bottle of beer than that, and that is according to our own USDA. Unfortunately they don't give a whole lot in the way of mineral content, which I believe is the paramount factor in these diseases.

Note that the science of animal husbandry has done extensive study in that field and practice preventative medicine via nutrition, and has for decades. In fact I will assert now that the best fed animal in the world is a lab rat. Why ? Because when they make them smoke the equivalent of 300 packs of cigarettes a day to prove it causes cancer, other factors - such as malnutrition - must be excluded or the data are invalid. Check for yourself. I have actually considered getting some lab rat food. Just grind it up, it can't be worse than what's in a hot dog. But I haven't gotten around to it as of yet.

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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/18/2011 10:20:00 PM

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I have actually considered getting some lab rat food. Just grind it up, it can't be worse than what's in a hot dog.

I nominate...nay require...this as the sunny quote of the day!

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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/18/2011 11:38:45 PM

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Y'know a guy can take that two ways.......

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RE: Frustrated Diabetic - 4/19/2011 3:50:19 AM

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I really wish that people who have no medical background wouldn't cite "information" that isn't true. Although, hopefully everyone reading health care postings on this site, do so with a healthy dose of skepticism.

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